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Magicmonger · 09-04-2012, 12:27 PM

Good morning Froggie, hope you have a great day buddy!

spaceape · 09-04-2012, 09:26 PM

frogmort · 09-04-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TP83

That's good. Glad you enjoy it.
I like mine better too. Its also 2 miles from my home. Saves alot in gas. Working more hours though.

Oh I forgot about Prometheus. Can't wait for that as well. I'm most excited for the avengers though.
Spiderman was very very good. I liked it more than TDKR.

You liked The Amazing Spiderman better than TDKR?

I haven't seen it, but it just seemed too soon after the first three, plus the new spidey guy seems a little to emo or something to me, and the lizard just didn't look all that impressive to me, but I might still give it a try.

frogmort · 09-04-2012, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by spaceape

I was.

My familily actually had a portable version of that game but sadly the batteries oxidised. Well didn't matter that much as not long after that it was Amiga time.

I never had an Amiga, but I did have a couple of Ataris and a Sega when I was younger. I don't care much for games now days.

frogmort · 09-04-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Magicmonger

Good morning Froggie, hope you have a great day buddy!

Thanks David. It wasn't too bad. How was your day?

frogmort · 09-04-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spaceape

Nice.

What's going on T?

spaceape · 09-04-2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by frogmort

Nice.

What's going on T?

Well I got my cloud up but not fastened completely yet so a little sagging.

My front fabrics for the basstraps will come tomorrow but I still need too get me some planks for the panels.

Im still waiting for the paypal refund from the first laptop purchase so I then can order another. Should be happening tomorrow, the cash is in my "temp account" in the netbank right now so that's properly why i haven't already gotten it.

frogmort · 09-04-2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by spaceape

Well I got my cloud up but not fastened completely yet so a little sagging.

My front fabrics for the basstraps will come tomorrow but I still need too get me some planks for the panels.

Im still waiting for the paypal refund from the first laptop purchase so I then can order another. Should be happening tomorrow, the cash is in my "temp account" in the netbank right now so that's properly why i haven't already gotten it.

You've got a saggy cloud?

When are you giving your niece the laptop? Are you going to be without a computer for a few days?

spaceape · 09-04-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by frogmort

You've got a saggy cloud?

When are you giving your niece the laptop? Are you going to be without a computer for a few days?

Alright dropping then.

You most remember english is not my main language.

I'll properly give her it tomorrow evening or something. So i'll be without a laptop for a day or so, nothing too stressful hah.

frogmort · 09-04-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spaceape

Alright dropping then.

You most remember english is not my main language.

I'll properly give her it tomorrow evening or something. So i'll be without a laptop for a day or so, nothing too stressful hah.

No, I was just joking with you.

You used "saggy" exactly like anyone else would, but it could also be used to describe a women's body parts as she gets older.

Honestly, your english writing is as good or better than some people on here from the US or UK who only know that one language.

I may have asked you this before, but do you speak english as fluently as you write it?

So no blu-ray.com for a few days then? It'll be like a crack addict giving up crack for a few days.

spaceape · 09-04-2012, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by frogmort

No, I was just joking with you.

You used "saggy" exactly like anyone else would, but it could also be used to describe a women's body parts as she gets older.

Honestly, your english writing is as good or better than some people on here from the US or UK who only know that one language.

I may have asked you this before, but do you speak english as fluently as you write it?

So no blu-ray.com for a few days then? It'll be like a crack addict giving up crack for a few days.

Or a mans boobs.

Well I might be a bit better at writing english than speaking it.

The reason being I have better time correcting for errors in peace and quite. I hardly ever speak with others in english unless just for fun or part of the Danish language (quite a few word are beginning too sneak into it).

I've been reminded of how much my rhetoric is lagging behind in a few situations where my family from America has come for a short visit (Originally Danes but have lived there for many years)

. My Grandfathers brother (now deceased) and he's son each from Alaska and Boston respectfully .

If I came too actually live in the states I think I relatively easily could begin learning it. Our country is already saturated with American stuff and way of life . So it wouldn't be such a big stretch i believe.

Hilarious smiley Joe.

frogmort · 09-04-2012, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spaceape

Or a mans boobs.

Well I might be a bit better at writing english than speaking it.

The reason being I have better time correcting for errors in peace and quite. I hardly ever speak with others in english unless just for fun or part of the Danish language (quite a few word are beginning too sneak into it).

I've been reminded of how much my rhetoric is lagging behind in a few situations where my family from America has come for a short visit (Originally Danes but have lived there for many years)

. My Grandfathers brother (now deceased) and he's son each from Alaska and Boston respectfully .

If I came too actually live in the states I think I relatively easily could begin learning it. Our country is already saturated with American stuff and way of life . So it wouldn't be such a big stretch i believe.

Hilarious smiley Joe.

When you watch english movies, do you listen to the english soundtrack, or do most english movies in Denmark have a dubbed Danish soundtrack that you can choose?

I feel like most Americans are kind of sheltered from most foreign cultures and movies, including myself.

hometheatergeek · 09-05-2012, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by spaceape

Or a mans boobs.

Well I might be a bit better at writing english than speaking it.

The reason being I have better time correcting for errors in peace and quite. I hardly ever speak with others in english unless just for fun or part of the Danish language (quite a few word are beginning too sneak into it).

I've been reminded of how much my rhetoric is lagging behind in a few situations where my family from America has come for a short visit (Originally Danes but have lived there for many years)

. My Grandfathers brother (now deceased) and he's son each from Alaska and Boston respectfully .

If I came too actually live in the states I think I relatively easily could begin learning it. Our country is already saturated with American stuff and way of life . So it wouldn't be such a big stretch i believe.

Hilarious smiley Joe.

Tommy your English is more polished then most Americans, Hell I type worst then you do.

BTW Hi Joe. Is the new job working out for you?

frogmort · 09-05-2012, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hometheatergeek

Tommy your English is more polished then most Americans, Hell I type worst then you do.

That's what I told him:

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Originally Posted by frogmort

Honestly, your english writing is as good or better than some people on here from the US or UK who only know that one language.

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Originally Posted by hometheatergeek

BTW Hi Joe. Is the new job working out for you?

Yes sir.

I'm feeling really tired today, and I've got three more long days to go until the weekend, but I'm starting to get back in the swing of things.

Glad to hear your knee is feeling better.

hometheatergeek · 09-05-2012, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by frogmort

That's what I told him:

Yes sir.

I'm feeling really tired today, and I've got three more long days to go until the weekend, but I'm starting to get back in the swing of things.

Glad to hear your knee is feeling better.

Thanks Joe, I'm going to see a Doc in the next couple of days to see what they think.

frogmort · 09-05-2012, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by hometheatergeek

Thanks Joe, I'm going to see a Doc in the next couple of days to see what they think.

Wow, I didn't realize that it was that bad.

I hope that maybe you just need to take it easy on it for a while.

frogmort · 09-05-2012, 03:09 AM

Hey guys, I noticed that there was a lot of confusion and misinformation in the Power Sound Audio thread about bass management and the LFE channel, so I tried my best to help out. I think I almost broke my brain trying to explain it in the most simple yet thorough way that I could. What do you guys think?

It wouldn't let me quote the whole thing for some reason, so I'll just put it in my next post.

frogmort · 09-05-2012, 03:14 AM

I think some of you guys are confusing your bass management in your receiver with the low pass filter(LPF) of the dedicated .1 low frequency effect(LFE) channel.

Bass management is a completely seperate thing from the LFE channel. If you cut a speaker off at say 80hz, everything below that gets redirected to the sub(s) and is layered in with the discrete .1 LFE channel. That's bass management.

The LFE channel is the discreet .1 information that covers a range of up to 120hz, and is specifically used by the mixing engineers for content exclusively for the subwoofer output channel. (There is usually not much information in this discrete channel up near 120hz, but there could be.)

If you set the LPF of your LFE any lower than 120hz, the discrete .1 information above that lowered frequency point is just thrown away, and is not bass managed and redirected anywhere else the way your speaker crossovers do by bass managing the lowest frequencies away from your speakers and to the subwoofer.

From Chris Kyriakakis, inventor and CTO of Audyssey: "It's a filter that is applied to the content of the separate LFE track found in 5.1 content. That content is authored up to 120 Hz and so the only correct setting is 120 Hz."

https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries/321931-lpf-on-lfe

From Big Daddy, moderator and resident audio genius on blu-ray.com: "The LFE (.1) provides a dedicated channel for the low bass that is used in theaters to add impact to the movies. The LFE signal is band-limited to frequencies below 120 Hz.

The LFE channel is an independent channel and has no effect on the other speakers. The information that is in the LFE channel extends up to 120Hz regardless of whether you have bookshelf speakers or full-range super tower speakers. It is important to distinguish between the LFE channel and what goes to a subwoofer. The LFE is a production channel, whereas the subwoofer is a playback channel."

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ighlight=120hz[/QUOTE]

One thing that can make this confusing is that not all receivers have an option for adjusting the LPF of the LFE. On an HD Sony receiver that I have, there is no option. It is just hardwired to 120hz. In my HD Onkyo receiver I have the option to adjust the LPF of the LFE channel if I choose to.

If your receiver has a LPF, the only thing that it does is determine what information is being sent to the subs from the discrete .1 channel information. It has nothing at all to do with the information redirected from your other speakers to the subwoofer by use of your receivers crossovers, which is bass management.

Of course it's your equipment, and you are always free to do whatever you want to with it, and make whatever adjustments that sound good to you.

Waboman · 09-05-2012, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by frogmort

If you set the LPF of your LFE any lower than 120hz, the discrete .1 information above that lowered frequency point is just thrown away, and is not bass managed and redirected anywhere else the way your speaker crossovers do by bass managing the lowest frequencies away from your speakers and to the subwoofer.

Exactly. Well put, Frogger.

Set your crossover for your individual speakers at 80Hz, 60Hz, etc. But set your LPF/LFE at 120Hz.

frogmort · 09-05-2012, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Waboman

Exactly. Well put, Frogger.

Set your crossover for your individual speakers at 80Hz, 60Hz, etc. But set your LPF/LFE at 120Hz.

Thanks Wabo.

I almost hurt myself putting that together. I felt like this:

09-04-2012, 12:27 PM	#1601
Magicmonger Blu-ray Samurai Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:May 2010 Location:O H I O Steelbooks™: 16 Home Theater Gallery:66 Blu-ray collection:326 DVD collection:6 Digital collection:8 Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:22	Good morning Froggie, hope you have a great day buddy!

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spaceape Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Feb 2011 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray collection:190

09-05-2012, 03:09 AM	#1617
frogmort Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Frogmorton Blu-ray collection:- Blu-ray reviews:27	Hey guys, I noticed that there was a lot of confusion and misinformation in the Power Sound Audio thread about bass management and the LFE channel, so I tried my best to help out. I think I almost broke my brain trying to explain it in the most simple yet thorough way that I could. What do you guys think? It wouldn't let me quote the whole thing for some reason, so I'll just put it in my next post.

09-05-2012, 03:14 AM	#1618
frogmort Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Frogmorton Blu-ray collection:- Blu-ray reviews:27	I think some of you guys are confusing your bass management in your receiver with the low pass filter(LPF) of the dedicated .1 low frequency effect(LFE) channel. Bass management is a completely seperate thing from the LFE channel. If you cut a speaker off at say 80hz, everything below that gets redirected to the sub(s) and is layered in with the discrete .1 LFE channel. That's bass management. The LFE channel is the discreet .1 information that covers a range of up to 120hz, and is specifically used by the mixing engineers for content exclusively for the subwoofer output channel. (There is usually not much information in this discrete channel up near 120hz, but there could be.) If you set the LPF of your LFE any lower than 120hz, the discrete .1 information above that lowered frequency point is just thrown away, and is not bass managed and redirected anywhere else the way your speaker crossovers do by bass managing the lowest frequencies away from your speakers and to the subwoofer. From Chris Kyriakakis, inventor and CTO of Audyssey: "It's a filter that is applied to the content of the separate LFE track found in 5.1 content. That content is authored up to 120 Hz and so the only correct setting is 120 Hz." https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries/321931-lpf-on-lfe From Big Daddy, moderator and resident audio genius on blu-ray.com: "The LFE (.1) provides a dedicated channel for the low bass that is used in theaters to add impact to the movies. The LFE signal is band-limited to frequencies below 120 Hz. The LFE channel is an independent channel and has no effect on the other speakers. The information that is in the LFE channel extends up to 120Hz regardless of whether you have bookshelf speakers or full-range super tower speakers. It is important to distinguish between the LFE channel and what goes to a subwoofer. The LFE is a production channel, whereas the subwoofer is a playback channel." https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ighlight=120hz[/QUOTE] One thing that can make this confusing is that not all receivers have an option for adjusting the LPF of the LFE. On an HD Sony receiver that I have, there is no option. It is just hardwired to 120hz. In my HD Onkyo receiver I have the option to adjust the LPF of the LFE channel if I choose to. If your receiver has a LPF, the only thing that it does is determine what information is being sent to the subs from the discrete .1 channel information. It has nothing at all to do with the information redirected from your other speakers to the subwoofer by use of your receivers crossovers, which is bass management. Of course it's your equipment, and you are always free to do whatever you want to with it, and make whatever adjustments that sound good to you.

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