Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[cheez avenger]

So who on here is not going to subscribe to Disney+? Please be truthful, because I guarantee that staunch physical format supporters will be subscribing on day 1. You can lie to me, but you can't lie to yourself.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

So who on here is not going to subscribe to Disney+? Please be truthful, because I guarantee that staunch physical format supporters will be subscribing on day 1. You can lie to me, but you can't lie to yourself.

I have no plans to subscribe to them as I pretty much own every Disney title that I am interested in on disc already.

I am not adverse to trying them should they actually offer enough content that interests me and that I do not already own. If I can buy any such content on disc, however, I again have no need of their streaming service.

I use streaming to sample and rent content only; ALL content worthy of owning will be purchased on disc without exception.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

So who on here is not going to subscribe to Disney+? Please be truthful, because I guarantee that staunch physical format supporters will be subscribing on day 1. You can lie to me, but you can't lie to yourself.

Not me. Disney won’t give up on Blu-ray releases. Too much money to be made.

The bigger concern is that Disney will make it all but Impossible to enjoy theatrical releases without having seen a tv series on their streaming service. We already know their high profile Marvel shows will tie in with the films released in cinemas. Die hards will of course subscribe and also go to the cinema. Casual film goers are going to be a concern. This really is a unique situation and not good for the future of cinema. At this point, Disney virtually own the theatrical movie going experience with Pixar, Marvel, Lucasfilm and of course Fox and Disney.

[Steedeel]

When you guys talk about broadcast tv and antennas, it makes me wonder why you all haven’t already got them? In the U.K., nearly every single household has a tv antenna on their roof.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

So who on here is not going to subscribe to Disney+?

I could not subscribe if I wanted to because their app will not be on none of my devices, no matter, would not subscribe if the app was on the devices.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

When you guys talk about broadcast tv and antennas, it makes me wonder why you all haven’t already got them? In the U.K., nearly every single household has a tv antenna on their roof.

In the US most broadcast TV is on the cable systems (must carry FCC rules) and many are carried on DirecTV & Dish Network. IMHO, there is very little to none programming worth watching. PBS has a fair amount of good programming but the PBS affiliates cram several program streams into the transport stream making it riddled with compression artifacts. Plus all the broadcasters have this big, obnoxious, bug on the screen.

So I have a satellite dish to receive programming direct from PBS just like the affiliates do. No bug and the quality is fairly good, main streams are 1080i, H.264 at 12 Mbps. Requires a DVB-S2 capable receiver (< $40 on eBay).

[Steedeel]

https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/ne...v-social-again

This is why you digital lovers should avoid investing your time and money on these streaming services. One way or another, they will destroy the home cinema experience.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

In the US most broadcast TV is on the cable systems (must carry FCC rules) and many are carried on DirecTV & Dish Network. IMHO, there is very little to none programming worth watching. PBS has a fair amount of good programming but the PBS affiliates cram several program streams into the transport stream making it riddled with compression artifacts. Plus all the broadcasters have this big, obnoxious, bug on the screen.

So I have a satellite dish to receive programming direct from PBS just like the affiliates do. No bug and the quality is fairly good, main streams are 1080i, H.264 at 12 Mbps. Requires a DVB-S2 capable receiver (< $40 on eBay).

I see.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Yes, yes you do:

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by oak table

I couldn't believe it tonight when I saw two teen aged girls renting from Redbox. I guess not all hope is lost for physical media.

Every time I see someone at a Redbox kiosk I wonder why they don’t have a DVD(BD) Netflix subscription. This is where that instant gratification everyone is always talking about comes into play. I’d still have mine if it wasn’t so poorly run in my area

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

So who on here is not going to subscribe to Disney+? Please be truthful, because I guarantee that staunch physical format supporters will be subscribing on day 1. You can lie to me, but you can't lie to yourself.

The Mrs is very excited about this service, but my flatscreen is the only one that the app shows up on. So as Wendell pointed out, unless it pops up I’m not sure if we’ll subscribe initially. I have no doubt it will take off, but I’d like to see what it has to offer once they have a few more shows up.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

When you guys talk about broadcast tv and antennas, it makes me wonder why you all haven’t already got them? In the U.K., nearly every single household has a tv antenna on their roof.

I can’t speak for anywhere else in other parts of United States, but around here satellite seems to be king around here. With the exception of a few houses, they are on practically all houses. As I said before, I have a nice house. So I don’t want it or an antenna slapped on it or my yard. Thankfully our cable is up under the house.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by octagon

It doesn't? Then what would?

What determines whether or not streaming is fantastic?

like anything unbiased measurements.

And what if the masses think General Tso's Chicken is delicious?

Would they be wrong?

He did not say delicious he said real Chinese food. The NA masses are immaterial, the question should be is it an authentic flavours and recopies to a region of China. (is General Tso, the same as what we call General Tao -breaded chicken and nice spicy orange sauce)

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

So who on here is not going to subscribe to Disney+? Please be truthful, because I guarantee that staunch physical format supporters will be subscribing on day 1. You can lie to me, but you can't lie to yourself.

I won't don't know why you would assume anyone would, or that they would not need to be truthful about.

First of all I live n Canada so I don't even know if the service will even exist
second I don't rent

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/ne...v-social-again

This is why you digital lovers should avoid investing your time and money on these streaming services. One way or another, they will destroy the home cinema experience.

I can not even conceive of using social media while watching a movie or a TV show; I entirely ignore my cell phone during the show. My viewing experiences are meant to be immersive and they are not to be interrupted.

I am not anti-social, but if anyone wants to share the experience with me, they need to actually be here.

I am not bothered that some millenials do this as it has no impact on what I choose to do. Maybe someday they'll outgrow the need to share every reaction that they have as they have it, but either way, their choice will not change mine.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I can not even conceive of using social media while watching a movie or a TV show; I entirely ignore my cell phone during the show. My viewing experiences are meant to be immersive and they are not to be interrupted.

I am not anti-social, but if anyone wants to share the experience with me, they need to actually be here.

I am not bothered that some millenials do this as it has no impact on what I choose to do. Maybe someday they'll outgrow the need to share every reaction that they have as they have it, but either way, their choice will not change mine.

Their choice won’t change yours IF Disc sticks around. If it does not, you may not have the choice.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

So who on here is not going to subscribe to Disney+? Please be truthful, because I guarantee that staunch physical format supporters will be subscribing on day 1. You can lie to me, but you can't lie to yourself.

I won’t be. All the Disney movies I want I already have on physical and will buy on physical. I’m not interested in TV series anyway.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Their choice won’t change yours IF Disc sticks around. If it does not, you may not have the choice.

Are the millenials coming for the discs that I have already? I have a few on hand, you know. I do not see any threat here to physical media; some young people using facebook while streaming is not going to kill the disc market.

Will they make me tweet every few minutes if I choose to stream something? I already stream some and I do not use social media while doing so.

I watch how I want to watch and that will not change.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

So who on here is not going to subscribe to Disney+? Please be truthful, because I guarantee that staunch physical format supporters will be subscribing on day 1. You can lie to me, but you can't lie to yourself.

-1 for Disney+

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Every time I see someone at a Redbox kiosk I wonder why they don’t have a Netflix subscription. This is where that instant gratification everyone is always talking about comes into play. I’d still have mine if it wasn’t so poorly run in my area





The Mrs is very excited about this service, but my flatscreen is the only one that the app shows up on. So as Wendell pointed out, unless it pops up I’m not sure if we’ll subscribe initially. I have no doubt it will take off, but I’d like to see what it has to offer once they have a few more shows up.



I can’t speak for anywhere else in other parts of United States, but around here satellite seems to be king around here. With the exception of a few houses, they are on practically all houses. As I said before, I have a nice house. So I don’t want it or an antenna slapped on it or my yard. Thankfully our cable is up under the house.

Right. We have around 65 million people in the U.K., that’s around 26 million households. Broadcast tv is hugely popular and is at around 19-20 million households. satellite has slightly over 10 million customers. Netflix has just over 9 million I think.

So broadcast (free tv) is very popular.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

In the US most broadcast TV is on the cable systems (must carry FCC rules) and many are carried on DirecTV & Dish Network. IMHO, there is very little to none programming worth watching. PBS has a fair amount of good programming but the PBS affiliates cram several program streams into the transport stream making it riddled with compression artifacts. Plus all the broadcasters have this big, obnoxious, bug on the screen.

So I have a satellite dish to receive programming direct from PBS just like the affiliates do. No bug and the quality is fairly good, main streams are 1080i, H.264 at 12 Mbps. Requires a DVB-S2 capable receiver (< $40 on eBay).

When I bashed satellites earlier, I was referring to DirecTV and Dish Network.

Satellite dishes that you actually have control over are another matter. I remember when my sister had one of those gigantic ones that you had to aim to acquire different satellite signals; the programming choices available with that monster were immense although aiming the dish could get tedious.

The jumbo dishes seemed to be less impacted by bad weather, too. The cheap ones that you get with DirecTV and Dish lose their signal if a cloud casts a shadow over them. In an area like mine where thunderstorms are common, DirecTV and Dish are worthless much of the time.

I still feel that any type of dish is a damn eyesore, though.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Satellite dishes that you actually have control over are another matter. I remember when my sister had one of those gigantic ones that you had to aim to acquire different satellite signals; the programming choices available with that monster were immense although aiming the dish could get tedious.

The jumbo dishes seemed to be less impacted by bad weather, too. The cheap ones that you get with DirecTV and Dish lose their signal if a cloud casts a shadow over them. In an area like mine where thunderstorms are common, DirecTV and Dish are worthless much of the time.

I'm assuming the big dishes you refer to are the motorised ones, which we have over here mainly for those who wish to pick up European channels as well as the UK ones.

The smaller ones are normally for one of two choices - there's Freesat, which is basically just non-subscription based channels, and there's the one I use myself for Sky, which I subscribe to really just for the sports, although you can have a movie subscription too if you wish. However with the Sky dish, you also pick up everything that's available on the Freesat service.

The satellite dish I have is larger than the conventional Sky dish, and this has the advantage of a much greater tolerance to bad weather, as you say. In all honesty Vilya, I've very rarely ever had any interruptions with the signal even on heavy downpours.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Every time I see someone at a Redbox kiosk I wonder why they don’t have a Netflix subscription. This is where that instant gratification everyone is always talking about comes into play. I’d still have mine if it wasn’t so poorly run in my area

Maybe they are renting from Redbox because they appreciate the higher quality offered by disc? Maybe they live in area with lousy internet service? Maybe they do have Netflix, but find the selection to be underwhelming? Netflix seldom gets recent hit movies anymore; you won't find Avengers Endgame there nor many other new popular movies.