Why nobody can equal the Pioneer Elite KURO plasmas yet?

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by dsskid

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They cater to the masses, since it makes up the bulk of their sales.

Same reasons most blu-ray players now have gone to sh*t....

[wafi]

Originally Posted by dsskid

J6P

Cracked me up!

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Same reasons most blu-ray players now have gone to sh*t....

With HDMI, as long as you're outputting 1080p24 you're good with any player, same for bitstreaming audio or straight PCM output.

[wafi]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

With HDMI, as long as you're outputting 1080p24 you're good with any player, same for bitstreaming audio or straight PCM output.

Me thinks he's referring to the build quality. I know my Pio 320s feel like they are made out of plastic next to my 51FD.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by wafi

Me thinks he's referring to the build quality. I know my Pio 320s feel like they are made out of plastic next to my 51FD.

Bingo.

When blu-ray came out it was an elite item and significant resources, care, and engineering went into the players (along with the large price tag). Now they're just commodities....I'm sure you can get one in a box of cereal now.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Bingo.

When blu-ray came out it was an elite item and significant resources, care, and engineering went into the players (along with the large price tag). Now they're just commodities....I'm sure you can get one in a box of cereal now.

Well..when they came out they were $1K to $2K. Now there are even a few players below $100. I had an OPPO, sold it waiting for the new model and purchased a Sony 570 as a temporary measure for $180 (it's now frequently down to $138) and you know what? It's pretty good.

Consumers have gotten spoiled by incredibly cheap goods (a BD player for $150 is a freaking miracle as is a $28 CD-ROM reader/writer and many other such goods.) But don't expect great build quality for those prices. Consumers have been taught to buy these things and toss them when they break. The high end is extremely niche.

Back in 1966, I paid something like $300 for a Fisher 500c receiver. That's about $2000 in 2011 dollars, but few people are willing to spend that kind of money today. So..we get what we pay for. It's amazing that it's as good as it is.

[lobo81865]

Check out this ad on Craigslist in my area. The guy is selling a Kuro Plasma, Pioneer Elite receiver, and speakers. He's asking $1,200.00 for the whole thing.




Pioneer Ekite Receiver VSX94TXH - $1200 (gulfport)
Date: 2011-01-19, 6:48AM CST
Reply to: sale-tb7qn-2168285002@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

This receiver in in brand new condition. The sound is amazing!! I have the entire set up I have the hard to find Pioneer Elite KURO 60 inch Plasma, Pioneer Elite Blue Ray BDP-05FD, and Niles speakers system 2 fronts, 2 backs, 2 centers and a booming sub woofer (speakers Stagefront PRO 77, Pro 277 SW300 Sub woofer) I will sell all as a package for a deal. I hate to part with this I spent over $12,000 new oneverything but will sell all for a steal!!!! I need the $ to move

[ManUtd]

Originally Posted by lobo81865

Check out this ad on Craigslist in my area. The guy is selling a Kuro Plasma, Pioneer Elite receiver, and speakers. He's asking $1,200.00 for the whole thing.




Pioneer Ekite Receiver VSX94TXH - $1200 (gulfport)
Date: 2011-01-19, 6:48AM CST
Reply to: sale-tb7qn-2168285002@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

This receiver in in brand new condition. The sound is amazing!! I have the entire set up I have the hard to find Pioneer Elite KURO 60 inch Plasma, Pioneer Elite Blue Ray BDP-05FD, and Niles speakers system 2 fronts, 2 backs, 2 centers and a booming sub woofer (speakers Stagefront PRO 77, Pro 277 SW300 Sub woofer) I will sell all as a package for a deal. I hate to part with this I spent over $12,000 new oneverything but will sell all for a steal!!!! I need the $ to move

Didn't the seller mean $1200 just for the receiver (which is too high btw) but can also sell everything as a package? If he meant $1200 for everything then you might want to remember the saying "if it's too good to be true it usually is."

[BLUTRIG]

I have a Pioneer Elite PRO 151FD 9G and like to have a real good Projector

[lobo81865]

Originally Posted by ManUtd

Didn't the seller mean $1200 just for the receiver (which is too high btw) but can also sell everything as a package? If he meant $1200 for everything then you might want to remember the saying "if it's too good to be true it usually is."

Could be, but keep in mind I live near an Air Force base. Service members are always selling stuff cheap when they get transferred to another installation due to limited space. Doesn't say whether or not that's the case here, but I've seen a lot of good deals listed like this in the past.

[Nicolidakies]

@ Blutrig: That statement intrigued me. Please explain? I'm trying to find a Pio myself but haven't been succesfull so far. I'm therefore considering going with a projector as well. Although i've heard you sacrifice alot of pq,ppl say it's just a whole other ballgame. By seeing some screenshots over here the pq of a good set-up seems perfectly fine to me.I just wish i was in the market for a plasma a little earlier. Maybe the glory days are gone forever.

Ps: In too many ways am I green with envy on your set-up :d..

[wafi]

Originally Posted by Nicolidakies

@ Blutrig: That statement intrigued me. Please explain? I'm trying to find a Pio myself but haven't been succesfull so far. I'm therefore considering going with a projector as well. Although i've heard you sacrifice alot of pq,ppl say it's just a whole other ballgame. By seeing some screenshots over here the pq of a good set-up seems perfectly fine to me.I just wish i was in the market for a plasma a little earlier. Maybe the glory days are gone forever.

Ps: In too many ways am I green with envy on your set-up :d..

You should look at GeologyNut's rig....gives me goose bumps! The blacks are ridiculous!

https://www.blu-ray.com/community/ga...ber=GeologyNut

[dsskid]

Originally Posted by lobo81865

Could be, but keep in mind I live near an Air Force base. Service members are always selling stuff cheap when they get transferred to another installation due to limited space. Doesn't say whether or not that's the case here, but I've seen a lot of good deals listed like this in the past.

Reread the add. It's $1200 for the receiver.

Pioneer Ekite Receiver VSX94TXH - $1200 (gulfport)
Date: 2011-01-19, 6:48AM CST
Reply to: sale-tb7qn-2168285002@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

This receiver in in brand new condition. The sound is amazing!! I have the entire set up I have the hard to find Pioneer Elite KURO 60 inch Plasma, Pioneer Elite Blue Ray BDP-05FD, and Niles speakers system 2 fronts, 2 backs, 2 centers and a booming sub woofer (speakers Stagefront PRO 77, Pro 277 SW300 Sub woofer) I will sell all as a package for a deal. I hate to part with this I spent over $12,000 new on everything but will sell all for a steal!!!! I need the $ to move

He already listed the price of $1,200, and then goes on to say he'd be willing to sell as a package.

[Nicolidakies]

@ Wafi: . How much does that set one back?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Nicolidakies

@ Wafi: . How much does that set one back?

You can get the Panny projector for around $2k and the 120" Black Diamond II will set you back around $2,600~$3,300.

There are of course other options in screens and spending a few moments in the projectors subforum will give you some ideas if you don't want to spend that much money - https://forum.blu-ray.com/projector-screens/

For example the 2.35:1 120" screen from Carada is $700
http://www.carada.com/ProductInfo.as...N-SCREEN-C120P

[steve1971]

Why cant anybody equal The Pioneer Eite Kuro's? I love this one. These are only my opinions mind you but here is my reason or reasons. First is when the Kuro's were made they were made by a company who cared about quality and cared about cutomer satisfaction. They made the best because thats what they knew the people wanted. They didnt worry about 3D, widgets, internet apps and all that stuff no they wanted excellent PQ and reliablity and thats what they concentrated on. And no matter how much a Kuro was you knew you were getting the best in PQ and reliablity. The manufacturers now days want to give us good looks, widgets, 3D and by god the all almight ultra thin HDTV! To hell with PQ now days because the big boys want to concentrate on the other little things that we really dont need, or at least I dont! I have never owned a Kuro but would have done anything to have one. I have seen one up close and personal and it was the most beautiful tv I have ever veiwed and nothing yet has matched it and the way it looks never will. I am a die hard Sony supporter and always will be but they dont come close to what Pioneer did with the Kuro and neither has Samsung, Panasonic or LG. They are all second or thrid in line while Pioneers Kuro remains the king. Its just to bad they aint around anymore and for the lucky few who do own one I say you are the luckiest people alive.

[Nicolidakies]

God,I hate posts like that.I can't make up my mind. Buy a used Kuro LX5090,or go with a projector. If I only knew somewhere down the road something would rival the Kuro's.I would have no problem waiting for this day. But will it ever? I mean,someone has to know ?

[2002_Viper_GTS_ACR]

Originally Posted by Nicolidakies

God,I hate posts like that.I can't make up my mind. Buy a used Kuro LX5090,or go with a projector. If I only knew somewhere down the road something would rival the Kuro's.I would have no problem waiting for this day. But will it ever? I mean,someone has to know ?

Oh some day its going to get beat, I have no doubts about that. But so will whatever projector you buy today. So whats your point? In the mean time either your enjoying a great picture or your not. I prefer not to wait. Same is true about cars. I always buy the car when I want it, instead of the 'oh but next years model will have this'.. true, but then the following year it will have 'that'.. so I'll enjoy mine for a few years, and then buy the current hotness.

Life is to short to try to predict the future or delay your happiness of it.

If you find a great TV at the right price for you, buy it!

Jon

[wafi]

Originally Posted by steve1971

Why cant anybody equal The Pioneer Eite Kuro's? I love this one. These are only my opinions mind you but here is my reason or reasons. First is when the Kuro's were made they were made by a company who cared about quality and cared about cutomer satisfaction. They made the best because thats what they knew the people wanted. They didnt worry about 3D, widgets, internet apps and all that stuff no they wanted excellent PQ and reliablity and thats what they concentrated on. And no matter how much a Kuro was you knew you were getting the best in PQ and reliablity. The manufacturers now days want to give us good looks, widgets, 3D and by god the all almight ultra thin HDTV! To hell with PQ now days because the big boys want to concentrate on the other little things that we really dont need, or at least I dont! I have never owned a Kuro but would have done anything to have one. I have seen one up close and personal and it was the most beautiful tv I have ever veiwed and nothing yet has matched it and the way it looks never will. I am a die hard Sony supporter and always will be but they dont come close to what Pioneer did with the Kuro and neither has Samsung, Panasonic or LG. They are all second or thrid in line while Pioneers Kuro remains the king. Its just to bad they aint around anymore and for the lucky few who do own one I say you are the luckiest people alive.

That was poetry!

Originally Posted by Nicolidakies

God,I hate posts like that.I can't make up my mind. Buy a used Kuro LX5090,or go with a projector. If I only knew somewhere down the road something would rival the Kuro's.I would have no problem waiting for this day. But will it ever? I mean,someone has to know ?

Nico, are you still on the fence?!?!?????

Originally Posted by 2002_Viper_GTS_ACR

Life is to short to try to predict the future or delay your happiness of it.


Jon

Jon nailed it as well! If I were in Nico's shoes I'd either get the Kuro or something along similar quality as far as projectors go, which in my mind is Geology Nut's rig! And I'd get it now!!

[wafi]

@Nicolidakies

OR

you could go for a plasma by Runco.

http://www.runco.com/