The Order: 1886

[UK_fan_05]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

Why is it funny?

Uncharted is a TPS with cover mechanism, and its sales (on 2 and 3) have been competitive with GeoW 2& 3.

In all logic, Sony has the following franchises meant to bolster its lineup

FPS: Killzone (is not competitive with Halo, clearly, but doing "ok")
TPS: Uncharted (competitive with GeoW @ 5-6 m units per, just less front heavy)
TP Slasher: God of War (vs Probably Ryse)
Driving Sim: Gran Turismo (leader in sales vs Forza until GT6)
Driving Arcade: Drive Club (big unknown still to this day, but visibly meant to compete with Forza Horizon)
Platformer: Little Big Planet (no real competition unless counting the Play/ create/ share model which is then meant to be Spark)
Sports: MLB The Show (No competition atm that I know of)
RPG: ?? (vs Fable, an established franchise on Xbox. Suposedly SCEJ is supposed to be working on a big RPG, to be seen)
Open World/ Action: Infamous (Unknown. Possibly Dead Rising if MS keeps the franchise exclusive through some weird deal with Capcom)

I leave The Last of Us and many other "one shots" (like the Quantic Dreams titles which are all meant to be a lone entry at least so far, or the odd third party exclusives like Valkyria Chronicles or more recently Deep Down) out, because we do not quite yet know that they will become actual franchises for sure.
The big unknown, and I think one that Sony is apprently betting a lot on, is the Order. It is supposed (if successful) to become a tentpole franchise with declinations over several sequels/ prequels and multiple medias (Film? TV? Books? Mobile gaming?)

Uncharted SP > Gears SP. No contest.

Gears MP > Uncharted MP. No contest.

I don't care about sales. Nothing matches Gears MP. Nothing. (Third-person games that is)

[tigertron]

I'm a little disappointed that this won't be 60fps, but I'll take better visuals/effects in 1080p.

Counting down the days until the new trailer.

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by UK_fan_05

Uncharted SP > Gears SP. No contest.

Gears MP > Uncharted MP. No contest.

I don't care about sales. Nothing matches Gears MP. Nothing. (Third-person games that is)

Well, I'm not dabbing into personal preferences/ opinion, and I'm not into MP anwyay

Beside this, the visuals in The Order 1886 should be downright phenomenal, as they pretty much just confirmed that it will have 4x MSAA



I wish people would drop the 1920x800 vs 1920x1080 thing... It's a silly argument (and no, 1920x800 is -not- 800p).

[ReverendSlim]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

I wish people would drop the 1920x800 vs 1920x1080 thing... It's a silly argument (and no, 1920x800 is -not- 800p).

But... Elandyll... MOAR P's ARE BETTAR!!!!!

[UK_fan_05]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

Well, I'm not dabbing into personal preferences/ opinion, and I'm not into MP anwyay

Beside this, the visuals in The Order 1886 should be downright phenomenal, as they pretty much just confirmed that it will have 4x MSAA



I wish people would drop the 1920x800 vs 1920x1080 thing... It's a silly argument (and no, 1920x800 is -not- 800p).

Oh I'm excited about the game but no co-op and MP will make me hold off for a price drop.

[Dispatch Ninja]

I couldn't care less about co-op and multiplayer so I'm still hyped.

[shrex]

Originally Posted by UK_fan_05

That blows. This game seemed made for MP. Guess I'll wait for a price drop.

I agree, its a shame this isn't an online co-op. Looks suited for 4 players. I mean I understand the devs wanna keep it simple and make this game shine, but I thought this gen would push people to play online more, especially Sony considering XBL has reigned as the MP console leader.

[Trogdor2010]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

I wish people would drop the 1920x800 vs 1920x1080 thing... It's a silly argument (and no, 1920x800 is -not- 800p).

Could it mean that it's in 2.35:1 letterbox?

[Show spoiler]

[keb33509]

Originally Posted by Trogdor2010

Could it mean that it's in 2.35:1 letterbox?

[Show spoiler]

Ya know, that may be possible. Could be for a certain effect or something.

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by Trogdor2010

Could it mean that it's in 2.35:1 letterbox?

[Show spoiler]

From the design stage this game was conceived as a 2.35:1 game with black bars.

I am glad that RAD actually confirmed they are sticking to their guns



We lose a little bit on the vertical resolution, but the FOV is awesome imo, and tied to the vision the devs have for the game. 2.35:1 would have no place in MP, but that's not what they have in mind anyway.

example of the difference

[GeneticMutation]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

[Show spoiler]From the design stage this game was conceived as a 2.35:1 game with black bars.

I am glad that RAD actually confirmed they are sticking to their guns



We lose a little bit on the vertical resolution, but the FOV is awesome imo, and tied to the vision the devs have for the game. 2.35:1 would have no place in MP, but that's not what they have in mind anyway.

example of the difference

Thanks for that comparison Elandyll, huge differene in scope and it has a very "movie" feel to it!

[Trogdor2010]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

From the design stage this game was conceived as a 2.35:1 game with black bars.

I am glad that RAD actually confirmed they are sticking to their guns

[Show spoiler]

We lose a little bit on the vertical resolution, but the FOV is awesome imo, and tied to the vision the devs have for the game. 2.35:1 would have no place in MP, but that's not what they have in mind anyway.

[Show spoiler]
example of the difference

To be fair, the field of view in a video game isn't exclusively tied to the game's rendered aspect ratio. It simply determines how much of the game's world you see, which is a real boon if you want to sit closer to the screen more comfortably. It can even be used to fix motion sickness problems that some people have with 3D games.

http://www.incgamers.com/2013/05/why...al-to-pc-games

(The article is related to PC games, but it should be just as relevant to console gamers that use large TVs or front projectors)

You can get a better field of view compared to the 2.35:1 image shown by increasing the FOV of the 16:9 image. PC games have been able to do this for years now, but I really wish they push it more on consoles.

It should be noted that some games that are smart enough to expand it's field of view with a wider aspect ratio are called Horizontal plus (Hor+). Games that increase it's field of view by having a taller aspect ratio (meaning a wider aspect ratio leads to smaller FOV) are called Vertical Minus (Vert-).

http://www.wsgf.org/article/screen-change

While games with Vert- can work with wider screens by increasing the FOV, some areas of the game menus, full motion video, and HUD elements, not working with the game's native aspect ratio.

This often leads to changing aspect ratios, which often can make the image appear in letterbox or pillarbox, or in worst cases, cropping or stretching. This unfortunately happens many times with both PC and console games.

The benefit of the developer having the game running at 2.35:1 is the performance benefit and having the game in a fixed aspect ratio could allow consistency. RaD only needs to worry about working with one aspect ratio that works with the game engine, menus, and full motion video, are designed to work with this aspect ratio.

What I like about this is that we don't need to worry about changing aspect ratios. I frankly am tired of playing games that use various aspect ratios just to achieve an "artistic" or "cinematic" look. Most of those attempts in games are just as bad as changing the tone of a narrative imho. I think if your game is to be presented in a different aspect ratio, like your cutscenes, your game should be presented in that aspect ratio, period.

[Blufury]

Disappointed the campaign won't be co-op. Glad there won't be multiplayer though. Reading the game informer article I thought this game would be Sony's answer to Gears of War but I guess I was wrong. I'm sure it will be another great Sony IP, just not sure if I'll keep my preorder now.

[Omegaice]

Originally Posted by Blufury

Disappointed the campaign won't be co-op. Glad there won't be multiplayer though. Reading the game informer article I thought this game would be Sony's answer to Gears of War but I guess I was wrong. I'm sure it will be another great Sony IP, just not sure if I'll keep my preorder now.

Ok.

[wooble89]

I'm happy with most of the news recently. Sure 60fps would be nice, but I'm used to console games.

• 1080p? Happy.
• 2.35:1? Happy and I'm glad they aren't changing it...I got so pissed at some of the reactions to the black bars that I made an angry rant video for youtube.
• No Multiplayer? Happy as tacked on multiplayer could drain resources from the single player which is what I like. Regardless, I'd probably never touch it.
• No co-op? I enjoy some co-op games, but my favourite games to play are single player games with strong stories. This game looks incredibly atmospheric and I'd rather have a game like that on the cards since so many next gen games are going for co-op MMO shooters or something similar.

Essentially what I've just said is that they're making a game that 100% appeals to me. Fans of multiplayer shooters are obviously not gonna be into this and that's fine. Diversity is good. Plenty of games on that side of the spectrum coming out this year, so The Order and say...The Evil Within are for a different kind of audience - one that I'm happy is still being catered to.

[Trogdor2010]

Originally Posted by wooble89

I'm happy with most of the news recently. Sure 60fps would be nice, but I'm used to console games.

• 1080p? Happy.
• 2.35:1? Happy and I'm glad they aren't changing it...I got so pissed at some of the reactions to the black bars that I made an angry rant video for youtube.
• No Multiplayer? Happy as tacked on multiplayer could drain resources from the single player which is what I like. Regardless, I'd probably never touch it.
• No co-op? I enjoy some co-op games, but my favourite games to play are single player games with strong stories. This game looks incredibly atmospheric and I'd rather have a game like that on the cards since so many next gen games are going for co-op MMO shooters or something similar.

Essentially what I've just said is that they're making a game that 100% appeals to me. Fans of multiplayer shooters are obviously not gonna be into this and that's fine. Diversity is good. Plenty of games on that side of the spectrum coming out this year, so The Order and say...The Evil Within are for a different kind of audience - one that I'm happy is still being catered to.

I actually ended up watching your Vlog, mainly because your youtube link is below. I guess I'll blab on it again too.

I don't think there is anything wrong with presenting your game in a different aspect ratio. My interests in the game actually increases when a game is presented in a scope aspect ratio (mainly since I used to own a 2.35:1 screen) . I'm actually glad they are going with a consistent aspect ratio for both gameplay and cinematics, and I'm perfectly fine with more games in various aspect ratios.

What I'm not fine however is that games that change the aspect ratio, that are meant to be immersive, but I find them disruptive. I find your video was ranting about artistic vision in games, but I find it would work for a game to have varying aspect ratios if they are disruptive.

What I often find to be the case is that many games that change the aspect ratio aren't meant to be disruptive, but often try to immerse the player into the game's world. Changing the shape of the image abruptly is usually disruptive, which can work if it's the intent, but really I find it breaks the immersion.

If they are wanting an immersive game, I think they should stick to their guns and have the game run at it's native aspect ratio; gameplay, cutscenes and menus. If that's not a problem, wonderful! I hope that if they want a different aspect ratio, they'll be consistent with it.

[Blu-Generation]

Full gameplay reveal tomorrow morning.

[doctorD]

Originally Posted by Blu-Generation

Full gameplay reveal tomorrow morning.

Do you know what time in the morning? Thanks.

[Blu-Generation]

Originally Posted by doctorD

Do you know what time in the morning? Thanks.

http://www.officialplaystationmagazi...morrow-at-2pm/

[Mavrick]