2014 Value Electronics Shootout.

[Mr Kite]

Copied and Pasted from my Forum friend Rizzo:

Robert has given me a headsup on this years shootout:

Re: 2014 Shootout ?
Here’s what I know at this moment.

Below is our latest list of TVs (with NA nomenclature) that are likely to be included in our 2014 Flat and Curved HD and UHD Shootout Evaluation event. One or more may be dropped or added if available. Finally, not sure at this time if we’ll permit the OLED to be included in the final official decision to crown the “2014 King of HDTV” and our crowning of the “2014 King of 4K Ultra HD” So if we don’t use the OLED votes in the determination of the winner we will publish the results for the attendees and public to know if OLED would have won if they were included.

Day One the Full HD Competition

LCD/LED Full HD displays:

Samsung UN65H8000
LG 65LB7100
Sharp LC-70UQ17U
Sony KDL-65X950B

Plasma Full HD displays:

Samsung PN64F8500

LG’s 60PB6900 - >No final decision, but we are testing for possible inclusion.

OLED Full HD:

LG’s new 55EC9300

Day Two the 4K Ultra HD Competition

LCD/LED 4K Ultra HD displays:

Sony XBR-65X950B full array locally dimmed
Samsung UN65HU8550
Samsung UN65HU9000
LG 65UB9800 or the 79" UB9800
Toshiba 65L9400U full array locally dimmed

OLED 4K Ultra HD:

LG’s 77EC9800


I’d like to include Vizio’s reference series, but it’s not launching till Q4 if at all. Also I’ll ask Panasonic if they would like to participate with their new TC-65AX900U 4K LCD/LED TV.

Here’s a few more tidbits. On day one we’re doing the 1080p Shootout. However, at the opening of the event we’ll light up the Ultra HD Shootout wall, discuss the models and some of our findings. At the conclusion of each of the two days we’ll have a q/a with the expert panelists, attendees and cyberspace questions and comments will be answered. Also on both days before the attendees leave we’ll announce the winner of the competition Shootout. At the conclusion of day two we’ll put the winners of day one (1080p) and day two (UHD) butt next to each other and we’ll demonstrate 1080p and Ultra 4K, unconverted and down converted and we’ll have the audience pass the two displays in a line at 1.5 x the screen height to see if they can see the advantages of UHD.

Regarding the actual event date we are pushing for the earliest possible date, but coordination of our long term team of expert panelists, headed by Kevin Miller, DeWayne (D-Nice) Davis, David Mackenzie (of HDTVtest forum of the UK) and Ed Johnson along with our Videographer Joe So So; inclusion of all of the displays that come from our stock of random inventory is some of the items that must be taken into account. I’m also working with our previous VIP guests to be sure they will be available and I have a few new special VIP guests attending this year and I’d like to accommodate all of these VIP guests. At this moment it looks like the earliest date is June 27th and I’m sure it will be no later than July 11th.

This is all I have at this moment and much of this is still fluid so if some of this changes please understand that all of this is still subject to our final testing of each display and the manufacturers' final decisions. Even some of my ideas and all of the changes that are triggered by our inclusion of 4K Ultra HD are subject to change.

This will be our biggest and most exciting and interesting Shootout. In the past nine years we’ve had between 6 and 8 displays competing, this year, our tenth video evaluation Shootout we’ll have many more TVs.

-Robert

[Kirk Out]

awesome news cant wait

[Blu-Dog]

Time to see the 85" and larger sizes.

[Wingman1977]

Surprising that Robert didn't list the Samsung H5000 plasma.

[Robert Zohn]

Good ^^ question.

We tested the H5000 for consideration to be included in our 2014 Shootout. It did not make it due to a few reasons. First, is the PenTile sub-pixel array.

No ambient light/anti glare filter contributed to the panels inability to deliver a good image in normal to high ambient light.

A great TV for nighttime viewing and an exceptional value, but not a premium contender against the flagship models that pass the muster to be included in our HD and UHD Shootout evaluation event.

-Robert

[ZoetMB]

This is what great dealers do and there's very few of them left. So if you're in Robert's area or even if you're not, you should give him your business. And it's not like you have to pay more - I can tell you from experience that Robert is very fair on pricing.

Tell me the last time that Best Buy or Amazon held an event like this.

So stop buying from the chains and stop giving Amazon all your money and help dealers like Robert thrive.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Good ^^ question.

We tested the H5000 for consideration to be included in our 2014 Shootout. It did not make it due to a few reasons. First, is the PenTile sub-pixel array.

No ambient light/anti glare filter contributed to the panels inability to deliver a good image in normal to high ambient light.

A great TV for nighttime viewing and an exceptional value, but not a premium contender against the flagship models that pass the muster to be included in our HD and UHD Shootout evaluation event.

-Robert

Robert do you have any tentative dates for this years event?

[Majoran]

I'm hoping they show or say why the M65 isn't on display. Was surprised none of the results were released (CR ratio, etc) last night or asked about. We had questions online but were largely ignored which was disappointing as well. Hoping this afternoon goes a little more smoothly. I know this is not an easy event to put together and then manage when it goes live so I have a great appreciation for Robert and everyone involved in getting this put together.

[Blu-Dog]

Very nice show. No mention of 3-D, I suppose that ship has sailed. Interesting interaction between the calibrators and industry reps - very frank and open, something I would not have expected.


Truth was told, and I was fascinated. Robert Zohn was gracious, diplomatic, and just to do this, very brave.


Joe Kane also spoke truth to power. Good show overall!

[saprano]

Robert can you make sure online questions get asked? Last night there were alot of questions about OLED and nobody read them. I'm also shocked nobody in the audience had any questions about it.


I want to know what the calibrators like D-Nice thinks about it.

[Mr Kite]

Blu Dog are you there again tonight?

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Blu Dog are you there again tonight?

Yes, indeed!

[punisher]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

Very nice show. No mention of 3-D, I suppose that ship has sailed. Interesting interaction between the calibrators and industry reps - very frank and open, something I would not have expected.


Truth was told, and I was fascinated. Robert Zohn was gracious, diplomatic, and just to do this, very brave.


Joe Kane also spoke truth to power. Good show overall!

3d is of no importance to panel performance nor is it considered worth talking abut by the experts there. Joe Kane did get a chuckle out of the crowd with a pun aimed at 3D

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by punisher

3d is of no importance to panel performance nor is it considered worth talking abut by the experts there. Joe Kane did get a chuckle out of the crowd with a pun aimed at 3D

I missed that...the lack of interest is stunning.

[Wingman1977]

I'm surprised no one asked the LG people if they are releasing a 2015 plasma line.

[Mr Kite]

Loved it last night, yeah had some glitches and I am sure they will work hard to fix but no matter what it made for some great viewing. Joe Kane's presentation was fantastic and lets hope the industry insiders take on board the points he was making.
Many thanks to Robert and the team of Experts for putting on another great event.

[BaerGriggs]

Table with scores from the shootout:



Really great to see the 4K LG OLED get such amazing scores for black level and contrast.

[BaerGriggs]

Measurements from the TV's: