The Sinbad Trilogy (1958 - 1977) - Indicator / Powerhouse

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Originally Posted by John Morrissey

The masters we used were the latest approved versions that Sony Pictures sent to us. This is the first time these have been available in HD, for the UK.

I don't know which versions TT used, but as you are aware the 7th Voyage is a 4k.

Sounds like confusion on Sony's end, they also just re-released the Spider-Man trilogy with an older master of Spider-Man 2 when they released a superb 4K remaster in 2013.

At least The Golden Voyage of Sinbad looks to be from the same master TT used and The 7th Voyage of Sinbad will be a brand-new 4K remaster. Fortunately, I still have my TT disc of Eye so that'll be my go-to version when I want to watch the film. Sucks for those who don't have the TT or Australian discs and want the best presentation available though.

[apperson051]

Well that sucks for them. I've probably made aware I can deal with it but it's a shame they don't have the newest master at their disposal as they were advertising it.

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

Sounds like confusion on Sony's end, they also just re-released the Spider-Man trilogy with an older master of Spider-Man 2 when they released a superb 4K remaster in 2013.

Are Sony the only company that have done this semi-regularly? (with the Body Double example posted earlier in the thread) and are there other examples.

[CinemaScope]

I don't know what's going on here (obviously the usual internet rubbish), so some people have decided that the Indicator release of Tiger is the older transfer, based on...nothing. The TT is dimmer & flatter, so of course it must the newer transfer. God save us from armchair experts.

[oddbox83]

What nonsense. The evidence is there and my eyes see it.

If you prefer the Indicator then good for you.

[NoirFan]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

What nonsense. The evidence is there and my eyes see it.

If your post addresses Cinemascope (I'm assuming it does, but I have this particular troll on ignore), keep in mind that he is the same guy who - aggressively and illogically - sung the praises of the awful El Dorado disc.


If Sony supplied the wrong master by mistake, what is the likelihood of a replacement program? (I still have my TT disc, though I had to take it off my Amazon seller list; fortunately it hadn't been purchased in time.)

[Pikylechu]

I'm perhaps among the minority in that I much prefer the looks of the Indicator disc. The important thing for me is the colour (as I said earlier) is a vast improvement. I just can't get over the dimness of the TT pics. Different spokes different folks though I guess.

I sincerely doubt laziness had anything to do with it on Indicators part though - every single release of theirs thus far has been excellent, both in terms of PQ and extras. It's clear that care has been taken with all of them.

I don't think there will be a replacement programme. Truth be told, I don't think there has any real need to be at this point. The transfer is still far from unwatchable and it's not really a 'problem' or 'error' so to speak.

[NoirFan]

Originally Posted by Pikylechu

I sincerely doubt laziness had anything to do with it on Indicators part though - every single release of theirs thus far has been excellent, both in terms of PQ and extras. It's clear that care has been taken with all of them.

Very true. If an error (the wrong master being supplied) did occur, the blame doubtless lies with Sony.

[JohnCarpenterFan]

If they just made the best with what they received then that's a bummer, but if they advertised Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger as being from a 4K scan/2K remaster and are instead offering an old HD telecine then that is an issue and something needs to be done.

Hopefully we'll get to the bottom of this soon and any issues/questions are resolved and answered.

[apperson051]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

If they just made the best with what they received then that's a bummer, but if they advertised Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger as being from a 4K scan/2K remaster and are instead offering an old HD telecine then that is an issue and something needs to be done.

I don't think they mentioned 4K in the context of anything except 7th Voyage.

[jonam]

https://images.static-bluray.com/pro...1_original.jpg

Clearly mentions only 7th Voyage is 4k.

[CinemaScope]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

What nonsense. The evidence is there and my eyes see it.

If you prefer the Indicator then good for you.

Fair do's, it looks like I was wrong. I checked it with the DVD caps & they do look mighty similar.

[jlk5844]

Don't have this ordered yet, but man that's a shame about Eye of the Tiger. Such an odd mistake that hopefully gets fixed. Yes, it would be nice if the 2K restoration Twilight Time used was brighter and more colorful, but the old DVD master that Indicator used is artificially so. Something in the middle would be best, but what makes my preference easy is that the TT is easily more natural. The Indicator has the qualities of an old master: boosted contrast, edge enhancement, blown-out whites (the flames are the prime example). Also what looks to be worse compression. The fact that Golden Voyage is the same restoration TT used and the back of the Indicator box indicates they intended to use the newer restorations should be clear evidence if the caps aren't enough already.

I own the TT discs of the sequels and the U.S. BD of 7th Voyage, but I was looking to grab this set cause it'd look nicer on the shelf and because of the additional content. The new 4K restoration of 7th Voyage made it a no-brainer. But now I'm hesitant. I'm wondering if I should just wait for the single release of 7th Voyage. Eh, it's such a gorgeous box set I might still get it, I was probably going to keep my TT discs anyway for the cover art (more so Golden Voyage).

[adamhopelies]

Originally Posted by jlk5844

Don't have this ordered yet, but man that's a shame about Eye of the Tiger. Such an odd mistake that hopefully gets fixed. Yes, it would be nice if the 2K restoration Twilight Time used was brighter and more colorful, but the old DVD master that Indicator used is artificially so.

So it's been confirmed that they've used a DVD master?

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by jonam

https://images.static-bluray.com/pro...1_original.jpg

Clearly mentions only 7th Voyage is 4k.

But it also says 2K restorations from the o-negs for the other two, so it should be the same master used by TT.

[apperson051]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

But it also says 2K restorations from the o-negs for the other two, so it should be the same master used by TT.

That's the whole point of contention that sparked all this off.

[jlk5844]

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

So it's been confirmed that they've used a DVD master?

No representative of Indicator has come out and said it, but it's obvious if you compare the two on caps-a-holic.

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

But it also says 2K restorations from the o-negs for the other two, so it should be the same master used by TT.

TT never released 7th Voyage. In any case, I believe David Mackenzie, who is knowledgeable and works in Blu-ray authoring with many labels, confirmed earlier in this thread that this is a new 4K restoration of the film.

Edit: I might be confused by your wording here. I'm assuming you're referring to the fact that Eye of the Tiger was supposed to be the 2K resto used by TT.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by jlk5844

TT never released 7th Voyage. In any case, I believe David Mackenzie, who is knowledgeable and works in Blu-ray authoring with many labels, confirmed earlier in this thread that this is a new 4K restoration of the film.

Edit: I might be confused by your wording here. I'm assuming you're referring to the fact that Eye of the Tiger was supposed to be the 2K resto used by TT.

Yes, thats what I said. I never mentioned 7th Voyage. Their press page clearly says "2K restorations of Golden and Tiger." The TT was the 2k restoration, but this one, from the caps anyway, clearly is not.

[jlk5844]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

Yes, thats what I said. I never mentioned 7th Voyage. Their press page clearly says "2K restorations of Golden and Tiger." The TT was the 2k restoration, but this one, from the caps anyway, clearly is not.

Right, but the post you were replying to did. Anyway, all cleared up.

[Irongod2112]

I knew I shouldn't have sold my Australian box set
Now I have to buy it again

Any word from Indicator on this yet?

My buddy sent them a email earlier but no reply.

I still have a few days before my set ships from Amazon UK - I would hate to cancel & lose my preorder price if this is gonna be delayed & fixed or if they offer a replacement disc.

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Originally Posted by Irongod2112

I knew I shouldn't have sold my Australian box set
Now I have to buy it again

Any word from Indicator on this yet?

My buddy sent them a email earlier but no reply.

I still have a few days before my set ships from Amazon UK - I would hate to cancel & lose my preorder price if this is gonna be delayed & fixed or if they offer a replacement disc.

Yep.

Originally Posted by John Morrissey

The masters we used were the latest approved versions that Sony Pictures sent to us. This is the first time these have been available in HD, for the UK.

I don't know which versions TT used, but as you are aware the 7th Voyage is a 4k.