Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015) - Page 99 - Blu-ray Forum

Stefan1 · 05-20-2018, 03:14 AM

Those UHD screen caps are LIGHT. Wow....everything’s pretty washed out...

aphid · 05-20-2018, 03:37 AM

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Your print looks fantastic, I hope some Blu-ray looked like this.

Actually, that frame is from the remastered 3D Blu-ray. Unfortunately, that disc is locked to 3D only...and there's heavy DNR

PeterTHX · 05-20-2018, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BenjaminG

I don't totally understand why there is slightly more image on the left hand side on the 4K, since VFX shots were rendered hard matted to 1:85:1, but there's a good few percent missing from top and bottom of the frame.

They were hard matted to roughly 1.66

Ruined · 05-20-2018, 03:51 AM

Releases when they pile all the discs into one or two cases like this annoy me to no end. Once Jurassic World 2 comes out, it sits awkwardly on the shelf by itself next to this set.

Ruined · 05-20-2018, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Last one is just to show off some detail, this is Cowboy addressing the camera crew at the harbour near the end. SO much more detail on his face and clothing.

It does have more detail but wow is that detail processed looking. I wonder why a movie thats really not that old and had a massive budget has such a processed look to it. JP1 looks even more processed from the screenshots I've seen. It's a shame as there movies lwith top tier remasters, would be incredible. Not possible for some reason?

Has that weird watercolor DNR look to it.

SynViks · 05-20-2018, 04:02 AM

Please define "processed"

Ruined · 05-20-2018, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SynViks

Please define "processed"

Excessive amount of digital processing applied.

SynViks · 05-20-2018, 04:07 AM

Please elaborate on what you mean by digital processing, as the very act of compressing it to HEVC is a heavy form of digital processing.

Ruined · 05-20-2018, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SynViks

Please elaborate on what you mean by digital processing, as the very act of compressing it to HEVC is a heavy form of digital processing.

Oh lord

Go back to Geoff's post on the previous page and look at his large screenshot that shows more detail (cowboy addressing the camera crew). If you can't see the heavy DNR artifacts I am referring to I can't help you.

edit: and here is one from JP1 UHD with even more DNR: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/113892

SynViks · 05-20-2018, 04:23 AM

I'm sorry but I do not consider pictures of a tv with a camera phone to be suitable evidence.

Anyway, concerning the JP1 screens:

-There is a grain pattern in the shot. It's not Sony type grain, but it's there, and very fine as well. Some would probably argue that Sony levels of grain are excessive and not in keeping with a theatrical experience.

-The UHD shot has a lot more detail and is much sharper than the BD shot. One need only to look at the headlights to see this, though there are other examples. Just because the grain is the softer variety doesn't mean it's lacking for resolved detail.

-The old master however has edge enhancement which makes the grain and edges more pronounced in a rather unnatural way.

This doesn't look "DNRed" to me at all (a term that has become so over used that it makes one wonder if people remember what a DNRed movie looks like from the early blu-ray days), rather it looks responsibly grain managed in a way that respects the integrity of the material without presenting an unnaturally noisy look.

kristoffer · 05-20-2018, 05:43 AM

Universal just loves that DNR.

I had hoped that Universal would leave DNR behind on the new format. Sadly that is not the case and that probably also means that when we get BTTF on UHD it will retain the horrible DNR!

Riddhi2011 · 05-20-2018, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

They were hard matted to roughly 1.66

Actually, they were hard matted to ratios varying between 1.72:1 to 1.75:1, with two shots in 1.85:1. The VFX plates were shot on Vistavision, which has a native ratio of 16:10. But I think due to limited set extensions, overhead lights, matte boxes intruding within the frame, the final digital compositors cropped out those shots in varying aspect ratios, to throw rogue elements out of the frame. JP2 was printed hard matted to 1.85:1 for the entirety and JP3 had mix of 1.33:1 and 1.66:1.

As for the JP1, UHD BD, from what I've seen so far, it looks like the same ugly pink-toned and flat-looking image from the 2011 BD. The Vudu UHD on the other hand has the right, gorgeous colours.
However, I will wait for the right HDR images to pass any personal judgement.

SynViks · 05-20-2018, 05:52 AM

... you do realize they come from the same master, yeah?

Riddhi2011 · 05-20-2018, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SynViks

... you do realize they come from the same master, yeah?

It feels like so. It doesn't look like a fresh 4K scan from the negative, like JP2 does. As for the VUDU UHD, which looks very similar to the 3D BD, might just be an upscale from the final 2K 3D DCP master.

What about JP3? Can anyone please provide some screenshots of the UHD from their TV, so we can get a sense of the HDR colours?

SynViks · 05-20-2018, 06:08 AM

The VUDU UHD has an HDR10 grade, ergo, it is not simply an upscale of the 3D master, as HDR didn't exist when that was made (and there is no way Universal would pay for that to be graded in HDR when they have this UHD master done and headed to disc).

It's the same thing.

Ruined · 05-20-2018, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kristoffer

Universal just loves that DNR.

I had hoped that Universal would leave DNR behind on the new format. Sadly that is not the case and that probably also means that when we get BTTF on UHD it will retain the horrible DNR!

Yup these look better than the old blu but still lots of dnr. Definitely would not pay a premium price for these.

Member-222782 · 05-20-2018, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kristoffer

Universal just loves that DNR.

I had hoped that Universal would leave DNR behind on the new format. Sadly that is not the case and that probably also means that when we get BTTF on UHD it will retain the horrible DNR!

What do you expect from a studio owned by a Cable TV conglomerate? They're trying to make everything look "broadcast quality"

FilmBufffff · 05-20-2018, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

Yup these look better than the old blu but still lots of dnr. Definitely would not pay a premium price for these.

Well they come out to around $12 per movie soooo... you're not gonna have to.

mctime04130420 · 05-20-2018, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by buckeye1

I noticed that there is a book that comes with this limited edition, but will that come with the steelbook as well?

No it the steelbook version doesn't come with the book that the regular version comes with. Check this youtube video out.

wildphantom · 05-20-2018, 07:54 AM

Geoff is correct. Lost World looks rather lovely for the most part and is a massive upgrade from the Blu-ray.

05-20-2018, 05:43 AM	#1971
kristoffer Blu-ray Ninja Member since:May 2010 Location:Denmark	Universal just loves that DNR. I had hoped that Universal would leave DNR behind on the new format. Sadly that is not the case and that probably also means that when we get BTTF on UHD it will retain the horrible DNR! Last edited by kristoffer; 05-20-2018 at 05:48 AM.

05-20-2018, 03:14 AM	#1961
Stefan1 Senior Member Member since:Oct 2011 4K collection:543 Blu-ray collection:1018 Trading Score:32	Those UHD screen caps are LIGHT. Wow....everything’s pretty washed out...

05-20-2018, 03:51 AM	#1964
Ruined Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Sep 2009 Blu-ray collection:1 Trading Score:1	Releases when they pile all the discs into one or two cases like this annoy me to no end. Once Jurassic World 2 comes out, it sits awkwardly on the shelf by itself next to this set.

05-20-2018, 04:02 AM	#1966
SynViks Member Member since:Apr 2018	Please define "processed"

05-20-2018, 04:07 AM	#1968
SynViks Member Member since:Apr 2018	Please elaborate on what you mean by digital processing, as the very act of compressing it to HEVC is a heavy form of digital processing.

05-20-2018, 04:23 AM	#1970
SynViks Member Member since:Apr 2018	I'm sorry but I do not consider pictures of a tv with a camera phone to be suitable evidence. Anyway, concerning the JP1 screens: -There is a grain pattern in the shot. It's not Sony type grain, but it's there, and very fine as well. Some would probably argue that Sony levels of grain are excessive and not in keeping with a theatrical experience. -The UHD shot has a lot more detail and is much sharper than the BD shot. One need only to look at the headlights to see this, though there are other examples. Just because the grain is the softer variety doesn't mean it's lacking for resolved detail. -The old master however has edge enhancement which makes the grain and edges more pronounced in a rather unnatural way. This doesn't look "DNRed" to me at all (a term that has become so over used that it makes one wonder if people remember what a DNRed movie looks like from the early blu-ray days), rather it looks responsibly grain managed in a way that respects the integrity of the material without presenting an unnaturally noisy look.

05-20-2018, 05:52 AM	#1973
SynViks Member Member since:Apr 2018	... you do realize they come from the same master, yeah?

05-20-2018, 06:08 AM	#1975
SynViks Member Member since:Apr 2018	The VUDU UHD has an HDR10 grade, ergo, it is not simply an upscale of the 3D master, as HDR didn't exist when that was made (and there is no way Universal would pay for that to be graded in HDR when they have this UHD master done and headed to disc). It's the same thing.

05-20-2018, 07:54 AM	#1980
wildphantom Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Mar 2008 4K collection:56 Blu-ray collection:644 DVD collection:3 iTunes collection:991 Trading Score:47	Geoff is correct. Lost World looks rather lovely for the most part and is a massive upgrade from the Blu-ray.

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