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Old 07-19-2009, 03:25 AM   #1
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I have B&W 683's I was wondering if changing the cross over will give me more bass (don't have a subwoofer) or does the cross over effect only effect the subwoofer. I feel that being a Blu-ray Guru I should know this. But you are always learning right.

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I have B&W 683's I was wondering if changing the cross over will give me more bass (don't have a subwoofer) or does the cross over effect only effect the subwoofer. I feel that being a Blu-ray Guru I should know this. But you are always learning right.
Have you're speaker set to large in the receiver ! Don't worry about the crossover untill you get the sub !
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Not sure what receiver you are using, but if you do not have a subwoofer attached to your system (and have subwoofer mode to "OFF" or "NO" in your receiver), then your speakers should automatically be set to "LARGE" and have no crossover frequency specified, whatsoever. Your speakers will receive the full-frequency sound, and any LFE channel material will be mixed into the speakers as well.

Now, if you have a subwoofer attached, and the speakers are set to "SMALL," then you do have control over the crossover frequency in most receivers. The lower you set the crossover, the lower the bass frequencies will continue to be applied to them by the receiver's amplifier.

I am wondering if you have your receiver set as having a subwoofer attached, because without a sub, your speakers should be set to "LARGE" and there should be no crossover frequency available at all.
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Not sure what receiver you are using, but if you do not have a subwoofer attached to your system (and have subwoofer mode to "OFF" or "NO" in your receiver), then your speakers should automatically be set to "LARGE" and have no crossover frequency specified, whatsoever. Your speakers will receive the full-frequency sound, and any LFE channel material will be mixed into the speakers as well.

Now, if you have a subwoofer attached, and the speakers are set to "SMALL," then you do have control over the crossover frequency in most receivers. The lower you set the crossover, the lower the bass frequencies will continue to be applied to them by the receiver's amplifier.

I am wondering if you have your receiver set as having a subwoofer attached, because without a sub, your speakers should be set to "LARGE" and there should be no crossover frequency available at all.
I have no idea what my specific receiver is but it is a Pioneer Eliet. My Front speakers are set to "large" and I no subwoofer.
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I have no idea what my specific receiver is but it is a Pioneer Eliet. My Front speakers are set to "large" and I no subwoofer.
I thought that looked like a Pioneer in your photos.

With a setting of "LARGE" for your speakers, you will not have any crossover adjustments to make. Your speakers are getting the full-range of audio, bottom to top.

When you do add a sub, you can still keep the speakers set as "LARGE," but in general, you are better off setting them to "SMALL" and setting a crossover frequency. You can run MCACC on your Pioneer receiver and let the system make your settings for you.

Crossing over your bass to the subwoofer lets the sub's amp do the bulk of supporting low frequency power requirements. This will free up your receiver's amplifer to handle the mid-bass and higher frequencies. Low bass frequencies are, by far, the greatest power hogs, and can drive an amplifer, played loudly, to clipping levels much sooner than if those frequencies are "crossed over" to the sub. The lower the frequency you choose to set the crossover, the more your receiver's amplifer will work to produce them.

Secondary benefits to setting a crossover frequency are greater audio dynamic headroom and a little bit of ease on your speakers.

A nominal crossover frequency suggestion is 80Hz, but this is not a hard and fast rule.

For now, I would strongly suggest letting Pioneer's MCACC auto-calibration set it up for you. As you become more comfortable in your understanding of audio, and its relationship with your receiver and speakers, then feel free to do some manual tweaking around of your Pioneer's intricate speaker settings. Pioneer receivers are great for that stuff!
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Outstanding Help and Advice that you have already received.
Like its been noted with no sub your Front Speakers should automatically be set to Large.

If it were set on small you would notice without much effort that there was a large lack of Bass and a somewhat "tiny" sound to your system.
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