Flickering images?

[mmunro2003]

Hi all, I have a KDL46V3000, and any time I watch a Blu-ray movie that has a city fly by shot (intro to The Dark Knight) where all the buildings are visible and I get a lot of flicker from the windows. Its the same for any movies with a fly by shot of buildings with windows. I have tried turning 24p off/on with cinemotion (3:2 pulldown) off/on and no luck. Any ideas? Any suggestions? Or is this normal. Thanks in advance

[SlmShdy1]

I had this problem with my V2500. Turn the sharpness all the way down. I noticed a huge improvement in the Joker's hair as well.

[mmunro2003]

I have my sharpness down to 5

[SlmShdy1]

Try having it at minimum. Are there any firmware updates available for your TV?

Edit: Nope, there aren't. On the player, do you have 24Hz turned on?

[mmunro2003]

Originally Posted by SlmShdy1

Try having it at minimum. Are there any firmware updates available for your TV?

Edit: Nope, there aren't. On the player, do you have 24Hz turned on?

I have tried with it on and off, the flickering is less with the 24hz on

[weiland555]

Originally Posted by mmunro2003

I have tried with it on and off, the flickering is less with the 24hz on

Is your TV an LCD with some sort of motion control? Mine is (Samsung), and I had the same problem with TDK. I turned off the motion processesing (AMP) and the flickering went away. The frame interpolation process must not do to well with lots of windows.

[mmunro2003]

Its a standard 60hz LCD

[weiland555]

Originally Posted by mmunro2003

Its a standard 60hz LCD

Well hmm, then I'm stumped.

[mmunro2003]

ehh im just gonna deal with it. Thanks for the help

[My_Two_Cents]

I may be mistaken, but panning across windows is a good example of the (minor) problem with 3:2 pulldown on a 60Hz set. The same could be said of panning across a picket fence. Those types of shots will almost always show some type of flicker. With true 24p processing (where Hz is a multiple of 24), you shouldn't see this.

At least, that's how I understand it.

[SlmShdy1]

With his set, it's a 60Hz TV that accepts a 24p signal. The V4100 does the same thing and I remember other forum members saying that the feature was useless on a 60Hz TV. I don't remember exactly, but it might cause more judder than normal.

[syncguy]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

I may be mistaken, but panning across windows is a good example of the (minor) problem with 3:2 pulldown on a 60Hz set. The same could be said of panning across a picket fence. Those types of shots will almost always show some type of flicker. With true 24p processing (where Hz is a multiple of 24), you shouldn't see this.

At least, that's how I understand it.

Yes that is right. If the display refresh is multiples of 24, you will not see 3:2 pull down judder which bothers many people. I think some are immune to this problem.

In this case the probably the player should be set to 60Hz output rather than 24 and make the player do the conversion (if the display conversion is not good).

[Silo5]

I've noticed this as well. I have a Sony SXRD 60A3000 and PS3. I have tried numerous things to fix this, but to no avail.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Silo5

I've noticed this as well. I have a Sony SXRD 60A3000 and PS3. I have tried numerous things to fix this, but to no avail.

Are you getting a flickering problem with BLU-RAY's or some other type of video problem?
Your Sony KDS-60A3000 SXRD rear projector has two refresh rates. 120HZ and 96HZ. To display BLU-RAY 1080P/24 movies at 4:4 pulldown (96HZ) like a film projector you would need to turn Motion Enhancer off in the menu. 96HZ refresh rate only works for 1080P/24 signals. When the KDS-60A3000 receives a 60HZ signal it refreshes at 120HZ.

Detail review link on the Sony SXRD 60A3000 refresh rate
http://www.ultimateavmag.com/rearprojectiontvs/1207sony3000/index.html

If you turn Motion Enhancer off in the display and have the BLU-RAY player set to output 1080P/24 and you still have the flicker problems in some scenes then the problem most likely is in the source material. Film sources can still have flickering present in the source material. Also try a second brand and model of BLU-RAY player to make sure it is not a problem with the BLU-RAY player. Some HDMI cables can act up in scenes that require a lot of bandwidth for video and audio.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by mmunro2003

Hi all, I have a KDL46V3000, and any time I watch a Blu-ray movie that has a city fly by shot (intro to The Dark Knight) where all the buildings are visible and I get a lot of flicker from the windows. Its the same for any movies with a fly by shot of buildings with windows. I have tried turning 24p off/on with cinemotion (3:2 pulldown) off/on and no luck. Any ideas? Any suggestions? Or is this normal. Thanks in advance

Your Sony KDL-46V3000 is both a 60HZ and 48HZ LCD display according to PC magazine.

Your Sony KDL-46V3000 according to Sony and the PC magazine review will properly display 1080p/24 signals at 48HZ automatically. One problem PC magazine reported is that it introduced flicker into the image during camera pans.

Quote
" The KDL-46V3000's HDMI port also accepted 1080p input at 24 Hz (1080p24), and Sony claimed the TV automatically displays this video format using a 48 Hz refresh rate (24 Hz x 2 - an even multiple) that eliminates the shaking/wobbling effect known as judder that is caused when 24p material is converted for display on a typical (60 Hz refresh rate) HDTV—the telecine process. Viewing examinations using 24p video material confirmed the KDL-46V3000 did reduce judder producing admirably smooth panning shots, however, the reduced refresh rate (48 Hz) did introduce additional flicker into some vertically orientated details as the camera panned. "
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2210884,00.asp

Possible the problem you are having is not 48HZ flicker related since you mentioned that you turned off 1080p/24 in the BLU-RAY player. Unless your Sony TV is doing a reverse 3:2 pulldown and refreshing everything at 48HZ. I thought that model only did 48HZ when a 1080P/24 signal was sent by HDMI. Some film based sources have flicker in the source material. It sounds like you tried other source material also.

If it is a 48HZ flicker problem you are experiencing then you can turn down the brightness on your TV to reduce the problem. Some brands and models of plasma screens that have a 48HZ option have gotten several reviews mentioning an even worse flicker problem, these reviewers have called a few models "unwatchable" when the 48HZ mode is turned on. At least your Sony LCD is watchable. So far the only reviews I have seen for a plasma that mentions no problems at 48HZ is for the discontinued Hitachi 48HZ plasmas. It sounds like Hitachi was able to get their plasma's working fine at 48HZ with no flicker issue. There are several lower cost LG LCD's that claim to have a 48HZ refresh rate mode for 1080P/24 according to the manuals and spec sheets. So far I have not seen any reviews to verify if they really are 48HZ and if they are 48HZ how good does the 48HZ mode work.

24fps produces an unwatchable flicker and no theater or consumer display outputs 24HZ to the screen. In the movie theater 35mm and 70mm film is encoded at 24 fps and flashed on the screen at 48Hz,72Hz, or higher multiplies of 24. Even at 48Hz or higher a small amount of flickering is sometimes noticeable on a movie theater screen and TV screens. The 48HZ 1080P consumer Front Projectors have a flicker that is not that noticeable and is comparable to movie theater film projectors that flashes images at 48HZ. But the problem with some flat panel screens that use 48HZ is that since they have a lot brighter screen compared to a Front Projector a noticeable flicker on the screen can be seen. On some brands and models of flat screens that have a flicker at 48HZ, some consumers have been able to reduce the flicker by lowering the brightness of the flat panel and watching it in a darker room with less brightness. This flicker can be reduced or eliminated when higher multiplies of the original frame is flashed on the screen with new and improved display technologies.

Read this link if you want more details
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1807248&postcount=729

[Silo5]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Are you getting a flickering problem with BLU-RAY's or some other type of video problem?
Your Sony KDS-60A3000 SXRD rear projector has two refresh rates. 120HZ and 96HZ. To display BLU-RAY 1080P/24 movies at 4:4 pulldown (96HZ) like a film projector you would need to turn Motion Enhancer off in the menu. 96HZ refresh rate only works for 1080P/24 signals. When the KDS-60A3000 receives a 60HZ signal it refreshes at 120HZ.

Detail review link on the Sony SXRD 60A3000 refresh rate
http://www.ultimateavmag.com/rearprojectiontvs/1207sony3000/index.html

If you turn Motion Enhancer off in the display and have the BLU-RAY player set to output 1080P/24 and you still have the flicker problems in some scenes then the problem most likely is in the source material. Film sources can still have flickering present in the source material. Also try a second brand and model of BLU-RAY player to make sure it is not a problem with the BLU-RAY player. Some HDMI cables can act up in scenes that require a lot of bandwidth for video and audio.

Thanks for your advice. I do have ME,MN,and CM turned off. It is only noticable when there is motion on the screen, like the OP said. Instead of being a smooth motion, things appear to "judder" or flicker as the scene moves.

I will look into your other suggestions as well and hopefully I can pinpoint the problem. I seem to notice it more with Pixar-type BDs and animation BDs.

[Silo5]

After playing with the settings, I finally found a setting that virtually eliminated my "judder" or "flicker" problem. I put Motion Enhancer on Standard and Cinemotion on Auto 1. I noticed the juddering alot during the UP preview on the Wall-E BD, so that's what I used as my source to make the adjustments. After I changed the settings, the juddering was gone. For the record, I noticed the juddering on several other BDs, but I haven't checked the others yet. I'm confident with the UP results that it took care of the problem.

[BEdo]

Same problem here!

I have a Sony player BDP-S300 and a new Sharp LCD TV 1080p24 (LC-32LE600E) connected using a HDMI cable.

My Blu-ray player is set to send output video @ 1080p and my tv is set to display 1080p.

In some scene (in particular when there are a lot of "dense grates" such us Skycraper's windows or where there are white backgrounds and when the camera pans very fast) the image is flickering.

I have tried a lot of config (also 1080i) and I also tried with another HD TV with the same result.

What could I try to fix this?

[BEdo]

up!