Vinyl is Back With a Vengeance

[franklinpross]

This caught my eye today. CD's are really sooo horrible if you like sound
and it's proper reproduction.

Why did most of us fall for the CD REVOLUTON in the 80's.

I'm so ashamed for having moved up to CD's.

That's why I posted a thread on which cartridge to buy.

I ended up with the same old same old reliable cost friendly
Stanton 681 EEE MK. it's on order from J&R . . .and now my new life resumes
where it left off in 1987. 3000 lp's waiting to be rediscovered.





Guttenberg's assessment is spot on-

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-10...ml?tag=nl.e702

anyone feel the same way? Just take a gander at some of the idiotic comments at the articles end....

[un4gvn94538]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/forumdisplay.php?f=91

[richteer]

Back?! As far as I am concerned (and I realise that I am in the minority here), vinyl never went away!

The renewed interest in vinyl is one thing that inspired me to consider launching a vinyl-centric audio magazine. Work continues in the background while I jump through certain government mandated hoops in order to qualify for the program in which I hope to enroll.

[franklinpross]

Originally Posted by richteer

Back?! As far as I am concerned (and I realise that I am in the minority here), vinyl never went away!

The renewed interest in vinyl is one thing that inspired me to consider launching a vinyl-centric audio magazine. Work continues in the background while I jump through certain government mandated hoops in order to qualify for the program in which I hope to enroll.

Bless you for caring! I wish you well in your project.

Please post a link for us to see . . . . .Subscription? 12 mos? pull some strings
for God's sake . . . . .c'mon we need you . . . . .

[rded]

Threads like this can stir up the pot. While its true that a good handful of CDs are not well recorded, the ones that were well recorded can make you cry to your mama! Believe me I know how good CD can sound Vinyl sounds good generally speaking, but there are also recordings that belong in the trash! At the end of the day, having both can be a real blessing(and I'm striving towards that). BTW, relying on a cnet article regarding audio, vinyl and cds is a joke. Those guys there are not really credible IMO.

[Sponge-worthy]

CDs sounded great until the Loudness War killed them.

[bhampton]

I was hoping it would come back but without that vengeance stuff.

[joe1515]

Originally Posted by rded

Threads like this can stir up the pot. While its true that a good handful of CDs are not well recorded, the ones that were well recorded can make you cry to your mama! Believe me I know how good CD can sound Vinyl sounds good generally speaking, but there are also recordings that belong in the trash! At the end of the day, having both can be a real blessing(and I'm striving towards that). BTW, relying on a cnet article regarding audio, vinyl and cds is a joke. Those guys there are not really credible IMO.

Red makes a good point saying all cd recording suck compared to Vinyl is probably not fare. I think it is all personal preference. I for one only listen to vinyl I like the sound better its warmer and it has a more live sound to me than cd's. Plus I spent a lot more money setting up my turntable playback.

The sound of Vinyl has made me appreciate artists so much more. For instance I always knew and liked some of Otis Reddings recordings, after I played one of his albums on vinyl he instantly became one favorite artist. It was like that was where he belonged.

To be fare you need equal equipment to do the comparison. Comparing a turntable, cartridge, and phono stage set up around 5k to cd playback on the oppo for instance is not fare.

After saying all that as Eddie Vedder so elequently screamed "SPIN THE BLACK CIRCLE"

Joe

[Yautja]

Just got myself on vinyl:
DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS
DREAM THEATER - SYSTEMATIC CHAOS
METALLICA - POUNDING OUT AGGRESSION (BOOT)

[FreddieFerric]

Originally Posted by rded

Threads like this can stir up the pot. While its true that a good handful of CDs are not well recorded, the ones that were well recorded can make you cry to your mama! Believe me I know how good CD can sound Vinyl sounds good generally speaking, but there are also recordings that belong in the trash! At the end of the day, having both can be a real blessing(and I'm striving towards that). BTW, relying on a cnet article regarding audio, vinyl and cds is a joke. Those guys there are not really credible IMO.

Agreed! I have a number of cd's that are truly outstanding. I wouldn't want to get into trying to say that cd is better than vinyl or vinyl is better than cd. Anybody that really takes the time to listen to both comes to realize that they really sound different. They have different characteristics. It's on the level of comparing individual recordings that leads me to think that one is better than the other. Each medium is possessed of truly outstanding examples of its technology. Unfortunately, truly abysmal examples of it exist at the other end of the spectrum.

Originally Posted by ryan69969

CDs sounded great until the Loudness War killed them.

You hit it on the head. The loudness war has really hurt us. When I hear the dynamic range that is present in most of the 1960's and 1970's lp's I almost want to cry. All the real possibilities that CD presents are truly being wasted. It would be nice if we could point to one person who is responsible for such reprehensible mastering and just tar a feather the b'tard.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by franklinpross

Bless you for caring! I wish you well in your project.

Plase post a link for us to see . . . . .Subscription? 12 mos? pull some strings
for God's sake . . . . .c'mon we need you . . . . .

Thanks for your support!

The mag will be a freely-downloadable PDF, available from the mag's (currently non-existant) web site. When I get the OK to start the ball rolling officially, I'll put up a temporary web site which will allow interested people to sign up to a notification list.

Stay tuned!

[DougMac]

Originally Posted by franklinpross

T
I ended up with the same old same old reliable cost friendly
Stanton 681 EEE MK.

How do you like the sound? That's what I'm using with my Technics SL-1500 MkII I bought for $20 at Goodwill. I think it sounds great!

[Riff Magnum]

Originally Posted by franklinpross

Why did most of us fall for the CD REVOLUTON in the 80's.

I'm so ashamed for having moved up to CD's.

Probably because records aren't portable and cassette tapes sounded like butt.
Why be ashamed? As others have said, just because it's on vinyl doesn't mean it's gonna be greatness. A well recorded, mixed, and mastered album is gonna sound good regardless. Let's be honest, most people don't wanna buy a $500 TT, drop a ton on preamps/amps, good speakers, and then go out and spend $35 everytime a new album comes out that they want just for a "marginal" improvement in sound and that much desired analog "warmth." Most people listen to music in their cars, or while they're exercising, or waiting in line, so vinyl just doesn't appeal to most people.
For the record, i'm not most people, and i love me some vinyl.

[Yautja]

It's back alright & with a vengeance it is, even here in Australia many shops are starting to sell them again, great to see

[Johnny Vinyl]

I can't believe it has taken me a month to respond to a thread on vinyl! I must be losing it!

Although my vinyl rig sucks by comparison to many many others here, you'd be hard-pressed to find a bigger fan of the Black Gold. I have been purchasing vinyl since 1967 and my collection numbers well into the 4 digits, and is represented by just about every music genre you can find.

Like Richteer posted earlier, I never left or abandoned the format and was able to find specialty stores selling used Lp's during the lean years, and even the odd new pressing.

To me vinyl isn't just about the sound. Some are indeed downright terrible, but when it's done right....nothing else compares! Additionally, and this is what has always been of huge importance to me, vinyl is an interactive medium. I love the relationship between the listener, the actual vinyl, the TT, the cleaning, the care, etc.

Another benefit, and maybe the most important one of all, is that vinyl forces you to listen to the music. You cannot just walk away, as Side A will be done by the time you get back as each side is only about 20-23 minutes long (sometimes a slight bit longer).

Vinyl is an experience that cannot be matched by any other format!

Have I made myself clear?

John

[Drew664]

Originally Posted by Riff Magnum

Probably because records aren't portable and cassette tapes sounded like butt.
Why be ashamed? As others have said, just because it's on vinyl doesn't mean it's gonna be greatness. A well recorded, mixed, and mastered album is gonna sound good regardless. Let's be honest, most people don't wanna buy a $500 TT, drop a ton on preamps/amps, good speakers, and then go out and spend $35 everytime a new album comes out that they want just for a "marginal" improvement in sound and that much desired analog "warmth." Most people listen to music in their cars, or while they're exercising, or waiting in line, so vinyl just doesn't appeal to most people.
For the record, i'm not most people, and i love me some vinyl.

I'm most people!

You've described exactly my hesitation to get into vinyl.

My current solution? I bought a $30 wireless router, and I now listen to Pandora Radio off of my PS3. I'm not sure what the quality is, but it sounds far better than any of my MP3s. I can switch music on the fly, with literally every single artist/song/genre available at a touch of a button.

I'm not done with vinyl, but I'm afraid I'll need a substantial collection or a hell of a deal on a turn table to add any vinyl equipment to my set up.

[franklinpross]

Originally Posted by DougMac

How do you like the sound? That's what I'm using with my Technics SL-1500 MkII I bought for $20 at Goodwill. I think it sounds great!

Sir, you are correct.
It's a turntables dream. Such an honest sound,,I can't begin to tell you.

Really? $20 at Goodwill? You are on God's favorite list. Boy are you a lucky person. that's my TT. This is good news indeed.

EVERYTHING OLD IS NEW AGAIN.

[franklinpross]

Originally Posted by John72953

I can't believe it has taken me a month to respond to a thread on vinyl! I must be losing it!

Although my vinyl rig sucks by comparison to many many others here, you'd be hard-pressed to find a bigger fan of the Black Gold. I have been purchasing vinyl since 1967 and my collection numbers well into the 4 digits, and is represented by just about every music genre you can find.

Like Richteer posted earlier, I never left or abandoned the format and was able to find specialty stores selling used Lp's during the lean years, and even the odd new pressing.

To me vinyl isn't just about the sound. Some are indeed downright terrible, but when it's done right....nothing else compares! Additionally, and this is what has always been of huge importance to me, vinyl is an interactive medium. I love the relationship between the listener, the actual vinyl, the TT, the cleaning, the care, etc.

Another benefit, and maybe the most important one of all, is that vinyl forces you to listen to the music. You cannot just walk away, as Side A will be done by the time you get back as each side is only about 20-23 minutes long (sometimes a slight bit longer).





John

yes, John you have made yourself clear.

I think it's terrfic that you spelled out the experience so well.
Might I add that as a kid in the 50's and 60's I took the interactive
part more seriously than most. I had this little microscope that I rigged so I could periodically VIEW the stylus . . after the muck was cleaned off with a toothbrush dipped in diluted alocohol, I would view my little stylus in the light of an exposed bulb to gander at the clean stylus . . .then and only then could I continue listening . . . .ahhhhhhhh..life was so rich then . . .

[Riff Magnum]

Originally Posted by John72953

I can't believe it has taken me a month to respond to a thread on vinyl! I must be losing it!

Although my vinyl rig sucks by comparison to many many others here, you'd be hard-pressed to find a bigger fan of the Black Gold. I have been purchasing vinyl since 1967 and my collection numbers well into the 4 digits, and is represented by just about every music genre you can find.

Like Richteer posted earlier, I never left or abandoned the format and was able to find specialty stores selling used Lp's during the lean years, and even the odd new pressing.

To me vinyl isn't just about the sound. Some are indeed downright terrible, but when it's done right....nothing else compares! Additionally, and this is what has always been of huge importance to me, vinyl is an interactive medium. I love the relationship between the listener, the actual vinyl, the TT, the cleaning, the care, etc.

Another benefit, and maybe the most important one of all, is that vinyl forces you to listen to the music. You cannot just walk away, as Side A will be done by the time you get back as each side is only about 20-23 minutes long (sometimes a slight bit longer).

Vinyl is an experience that cannot be matched by any other format!

Have I made myself clear?

John

CRYSTAL!!!
I think you bring up a really good point about vinyl "forcing" you to listen to music. When i and a select group of my friends were at our vinyl peak back in the late 90's, one of us getting a new slab of wax was an event in itself. Phone calls would be made, beer would be bought, illegal drugs would be procured all leading up to when we all got together in that room and sat down to listen. A listening party. What a novel idea!!

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by franklinpross

yes, John you have made yourself clear.

I think it's terrfic that you spelled out the experience so well.
Might I add that as a kid in the 50's and 60's I took the interactive
part more seriously than most. I had this little microscope that I rigged so I could periodically VIEW the stylus . . after the muck was cleaned off with a toothbrush dipped in diluted alocohol, I would view my little stylus in the light of an exposed bulb to gander at the clean stylus . . .then and only then could I continue listening . . . .ahhhhhhhh..life was so rich then . . .

So cool! And as a person most likely around my age (I'm 56) I can appreciate and identify with your experience completely.

And yes....life was indeed rich then!

John