The speaker company - 2 choices - Blu-ray Forum

Fors · 11-23-2009, 05:53 AM

I am setting up a 3.1 setup, my first venture into home theater. I have a low budget so this is what I am working with. I have ordered the Denon AVR-1610 receiver, its on its way. I plan on getting this sub from TSC http://www.thespeakercompany.com/ASW...er-P62C17.aspx.
One question I have is what kind of wire do I use to hook the sub up, do they use normal speaker wire or do I need a special cable for it?

Now the main question is there, hopefully anyone who has experience with these speakers can chime in. This will be for left/center/right.
Option 1.
http://www.thespeakercompany.com/LCR...rs-P41C37.aspx

Option 2.
http://www.thespeakercompany.com/RC1...er-P38C37.aspx and http://www.thespeakercompany.com/P6-...ir-P37C37.aspx

Which would sound better? I plan on adding maybe a pair of the P5 or P6 at a later date for rears, but that could be over a year off, after we move out of this apartment.

callas01 · 11-23-2009, 06:39 AM

in regards to option 1, yes those would be your left, center, and right speakers. either option would be good. It is nice to always have 3 identical speakers up front for the best timbre matching, the bookshelves (P6s) will give you a little better bass response, but I don't think you would ever notice it with your crossovers set anyways.

I guess I am saying that I would rather have the LCR system.... That sub looks decent enough. If you can search for the Energy ESW-V8 on www.wwstereo.com, it is about $199 or so, and it would be a little better of a sub for not much more money...

I have never heard these speakers as they are an internet direct brand. I would just check on the return policy in case you don't like them once you get them.

Good Luck.

Fors · 11-23-2009, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by callas01

in regards to option 1, yes those would be your left, center, and right speakers. either option would be good. It is nice to always have 3 identical speakers up front for the best timbre matching, the bookshelves (P6s) will give you a little better bass response, but I don't think you would ever notice it with your crossovers set anyways.

I guess I am saying that I would rather have the LCR system.... That sub looks decent enough. If you can search for the Energy ESW-V8 on www.wwstereo.com, it is about $199 or so, and it would be a little better of a sub for not much more money...

I have never heard these speakers as they are an internet direct brand. I would just check on the return policy in case you don't like them once you get them.

Good Luck.

Thanks, yeah these speakers get good reviews over on AVS forums, its actually where I was recommended them. As far as the sub, I think it will be ok for me and I really am going over what the wife wants me to spend anyways with just this. Thanks for the suggestion on the LCR system though, thats what I am leaning towards, good to have some input from more knowledgable people.

callas01 · 11-23-2009, 06:52 AM

Cool, then it sounds like you will be happily watching new blu's this christmas. GO for it and let us know what you think.... Post Pictures. Can't believe it if we don't see it....

Fors · 11-23-2009, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by callas01

Cool, then it sounds like you will be happily watching new blu's this christmas. GO for it and let us know what you think.... Post Pictures. Can't believe it if we don't see it....

Sure thing, may be a few weeks before I get it all setup, ordered the Denon receiver today and will order the speakers tommorow, I imagine with turkey day coming up I probably wont receive most of it until early next week, then I gotta make the time to set it up...hopefully by next weekend at the latest.

Odin75 · 11-23-2009, 08:47 AM

Hey OP, I have the P6-PR and the RC1, I use them in my 7.1 setup in my bedroom.

Ok, how can I begin. I think for you to appreciate this speakers, you have to understand they are budget solutions. The P6-PR are pretty good, and they have enough bass for their size and price. The mids are good. The real problem with is the highs, which are clearly lacking. When glass breaks, or any other high-pitch sound kicks in, you clearly see the limitations as the sound is weak and not detailed.

The RC1 suffer from the same problem as the P6-PR, but to a bigger degree. Dialogue is clear, but feels weak. You might have trouble hearing voices in movies like Transformers, where dialogue is not as well defined. However, movies like 300, where the sound is more balanced, you will find the RC1 pretty good.

Also, the DAC you use makes this speakers sound differently, so at least they are good enough for anyone to notice the difference between them. I currently run them with my Onkyo SR-606 using Audyssey (digital only). For my particular setup, Audyssey really makes the P6-PR shine, since it sounds more dynamic and detailed than any of my soundcards while in DIRECT MODE. However, that's at the expense of my center channel sounding weaker. I've done the test like 10 times, in different houses even, and the result is always the same.
In the other hand, while using DIRECT MODE, connected from the HDAV1.3 Deluxe from my computer which has a burr-brown DAC, it really makes the center channel more detailed. Voices and glass breaking feels stronger, but of course, within the limitations that I mentioned at first. But of course, my LEFT and RIGHT channels suffer in DIRECT MODE, since I don't get the benefits from Audyssey. The point is, the speakers are good enough, that if upgrade your receiver or soundcard, you will be able to notice the benefits, which is not always the case with budget speakers.

Anyways, the speakers are good, considering their cost. They won't be a bass heavy as towers, so you definitely need to get a subwoofer is you plan to use them for movie watching. Music wise, they are awesome, depending on the type of music you like. Pop music, like Taylor Swift, sounds really good since the bass never reaches the limit of the speakers, so it sounds almost identical with or without the added subwoofer. However, music by Lil Wayne for example, makes you realize they are bookshelves.

Overall, I think they are a solid buy, I just wish the highs were a little bit stronger and the center channel a little bit stronger too.

Advice: Can you afford the the step up? The ones with aluminum woofers? I know they have a massive discount on the P Series, but I feel that you might be happier with the T Series if you plan to use them in a long term. I have not tried the T Series myself, but they're suppose to be better, which I think is the added push the P Series needs to really bring a full smile to your face. If not, then the P Series is a steal, they are supper cheap, way cheaper than what I paid for mine originally.

Ok, I hope that helps.

Kryptonic · 11-23-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Odin75

Hey OP, I have the P6-PR and the RC1, I use them in my 7.1 setup in my bedroom.

Ok, how can I begin. I think for you to appreciate this speakers, you have to understand they are budget solutions. The P6-PR are pretty good, and they have enough bass for their size and price. The mids are good. The real problem with is the highs, which are clearly lacking. When glass breaks, or any other high-pitch sound kicks in, you clearly see the limitations as the sound is weak and not detailed.

The RC1 suffer from the same problem as the P6-PR, but to a bigger degree. Dialogue is clear, but feels weak. You might have trouble hearing voices in movies like Transformers, where dialogue is not as well defined. However, movies like 300, where the sound is more balanced, you will find the RC1 pretty good.

I can't comment on the P6's, but my LCR3-P (3 RC1's) that I've had for about a year are an exceptional value. They sound as good as Polk's that cost many times more. The RC1 I use for the center sounds excellent, certainly not weak or undefined, as you put it. Quite the contrary. Dialogue comes through clean and clear and with force when necessary and I've never had any problem hearing dialogue, music, or effects from any of these speakers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fors

I am setting up a 3.1 setup, my first venture into home theater. I have a low budget so this is what I am working with. I have ordered the Denon AVR-1610 receiver, its on its way. I plan on getting this sub from TSC http://www.thespeakercompany.com/ASW...er-P62C17.aspx.
One question I have is what kind of wire do I use to hook the sub up, do they use normal speaker wire or do I need a special cable for it?

Now the main question is there, hopefully anyone who has experience with these speakers can chime in. This will be for left/center/right.
Option 1.
http://www.thespeakercompany.com/LCR...rs-P41C37.aspx

Option 2.
http://www.thespeakercompany.com/RC1...er-P38C37.aspx and http://www.thespeakercompany.com/P6-...ir-P37C37.aspx

Which would sound better? I plan on adding maybe a pair of the P5 or P6 at a later date for rears, but that could be over a year off, after we move out of this apartment.

I don't own the ASW-10, but I've read very positive reviews on it and I suspect it's a fine subwoofer. You'll need a simple coaxial cable to hook up the subwoofer Line input to the Subwoofer Out from your receiver. You can get a cable at RadioShack for probably $6-7 or online cheaper. I personally use a discounted Monster THX Standard digital coaxial cable I bought from there for $5 to connect my Sony subwoofer to my Denon receiver.

As far as the speakers, definitely go with the LCR3-P package. As I've said, I've had mine for about a year and I couldn't be happier with their performance. They're all around great speakers with good build quality and excellent sound. For the price, you can't go wrong.

Odin75 · 11-23-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kryptonic

The RC1 I use for the center sounds excellent, certainly not weak or undefined, as you put it. Quite the contrary. Dialogue comes through clean and clear and with force when necessary and I've never had any problem hearing dialogue, music, or effects from any of these speakers.

I mean, sure, it sounds fine when you consider the cost. But at the same time, don't you feel it could do a "little bit better"?

I myself plan to upgrade those speakers at some point, and the main reason is the center channel. I'm pretty much forced to replace the 3 fronts at the same time, to timbre match them, so that's going to cost a little bit more than what I planned.

I got this set ~6 months ago, and I already want to replace it. You go yours a year ago, but you're still happy with it. I guess it all comes down to how picky the person is. I'm just being honest on how I feel about them. The speakers are good, is the center that doesn't convince me. I just know that If I had to go back, I would probably get the T Series instead, just so I could get a better Center channel, or probably another brand instead.

Kryptonic · 11-23-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Odin75

I mean, sure, it sounds fine when you consider the cost. But at the same time, don't you feel it could do a "little bit better"?

I myself plan to upgrade those speakers at some point, and the main reason is the center channel. I'm pretty much forced to replace the 3 fronts at the same time, to timbre match them, so that's going to cost a little bit more than what I planned.

I got this set ~6 months ago, and I already want to replace it. You go yours a year ago, but you're still happy with it. I guess it all comes down to how picky the person is. I'm just being honest on how I feel about them. The speakers are good, is the center that doesn't convince me. I just know that If I had to go back, I would probably get the T Series instead, just so I could get a better Center channel, or probably another brand instead.

No, I don't really think it could sound much better unless I were to pay hundreds more. I didn't mean to come off as hostile, so I apologize if I came off that way, but I'm very satisfied with the performance and price and I'm sure everyone else would considering the price to performance ratio. I'm not sure the TC2 would really perform that much better considering the frequency response isn't as wide as the RC1.

I'm a very picky person too.

Fors · 11-23-2009, 07:15 PM

Well I bit and ordered the LCR3. I hope the dialogue is not low compared to the other sounds, thats the main beef I have with my current sony CT-100 soundbar.

Kryptonic · 11-23-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fors

Well I bit and ordered the LCR3. I hope the dialogue is not low compared to the other sounds, thats the main beef I have with my current sony CT-100 soundbar.

It won't be. With three equal speakers as your LCR, they will be perfectly balanced with eachother. I'm certain you'll love these speakers. Enjoy.

Fors · 11-26-2009, 06:13 AM

I decided to buy surrounds also, should I go with P5 or P6? I am thinking P6 but wanna be sure.

callas01 · 11-26-2009, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fors

I decided to buy surrounds also, should I go with P5 or P6? I am thinking P6 but wanna be sure.

go with the P6's

Fors · 11-26-2009, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by callas01

go with the P6's

Just ordered them, got the pair for 53 bucks, theres a coupon code today for the site 40off to take 40% off alot of things on the site, kind of sucks though I ended up paying $293 total for everything I ordered including my order 3 days ago, I just put it all in the cart again with the code and total came to $230 bucks! Oh well my first order has allready shipped out so too late now heh.

callas01 · 11-26-2009, 12:30 PM

you can always call them to see if they would give you the difference.

Fors · 12-02-2009, 04:44 AM

Received my LCR3 set and the ASW10 sub today. My receiver should be here tommorow, unfortunately my P6 for the rears havnt shipped out yet. I hope it ships soon so I can get this set up.

Kryptonic · 12-03-2009, 10:16 PM

Congrats on an excellent purchase.

SrLoin · 12-09-2009, 05:41 PM

I noticed the site says only 8 LCR3-p sets in stock. Anyone know if this is an older model that possibly isn't going to be made?

Also, would this be a good starter set for someone with no other experience aside from the TV speakers?

What about the RC1 center with the P6 as fronts?

Fors · 12-11-2009, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SrLoin

I noticed the site says only 8 LCR3-p sets in stock. Anyone know if this is an older model that possibly isn't going to be made?

Also, would this be a good starter set for someone with no other experience aside from the TV speakers?

What about the RC1 center with the P6 as fronts?

Its looking more and more like TSC is going out of business, read the thread about them over on AVS forums, they are 40% off on everything and not getting anymore stock of anything they have once it sells out I think. I have received all of my speakers and finally got it all wired today, but havnt gotten it all setup yet. In fact, heres a post I made on avs forums maybe you guys can give me your input also. And any tips you have on setting it up correctly. Gonna copy and paste my post from AVS forums.

I finally got my wires ran and my stuff hooked up today, its too late tonite to run audyssey so I am gonna do it tommorow. I have a few questions.

First off, I ordered Denon 1610 receiver, TSC LCR3 package for fronts, TSC p6 bookshelf speakers for surrounds and a TSC ASW-10 sub.

My first and main question is this, I have the sub connected via "option 2" in the instructions that came with the sub, which is one cable going from the sub out on the receiver to the left line in on the sub. It tells me to start with Sub on of course, 12 o clock volume, phase 0 and Crossover Frequency at 150hz, which is max on the sub. I find a little down in the instructions it says that if I have the sub connected via Option 2, which I do to leave the crossover at its highest setting, so does that sound right? I will leave it at 150hz and not change that at all? Also should I leave the sub on Auto as opposed to on? Will that save power when its not in use?

My other questions is about the mic, I do not have a tripod, do I really need one? Can I mount the mic on a stick about ear height and hold the stick while I am doing the testing?

Thanks.

wmarkw · 12-11-2009, 10:50 AM

FORS:

I have my asw10 hooked up the same way you are doing it (#2) and yes set the crossover on the highest setting. It thumps some really good bass; you will enjoy that set up.

A trick I learned with the denon/audyssey set up is to use a lamp and screw the microphone on to. Grab a basic bedroom lamp and you will see what I'm referring to. Also, read the official 1610 denon thread at avs and subscribe to that thread. A lot of help there and also read Batpig's guid to setting up the 1610. I'll see you over at avs. enjoy!

11-23-2009, 05:53 AM	#1
Fors Member Member since:Apr 2009	The speaker company - 2 choices I am setting up a 3.1 setup, my first venture into home theater. I have a low budget so this is what I am working with. I have ordered the Denon AVR-1610 receiver, its on its way. I plan on getting this sub from TSC http://www.thespeakercompany.com/ASW...er-P62C17.aspx. One question I have is what kind of wire do I use to hook the sub up, do they use normal speaker wire or do I need a special cable for it? Now the main question is there, hopefully anyone who has experience with these speakers can chime in. This will be for left/center/right. Option 1. http://www.thespeakercompany.com/LCR...rs-P41C37.aspx Option 2. http://www.thespeakercompany.com/RC1...er-P38C37.aspx and http://www.thespeakercompany.com/P6-...ir-P37C37.aspx Which would sound better? I plan on adding maybe a pair of the P5 or P6 at a later date for rears, but that could be over a year off, after we move out of this apartment.

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11-23-2009, 06:39 AM	#2
callas01 Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Riverside, CA Home Theater Gallery:42 Blu-ray collection:230 DVD collection:47	in regards to option 1, yes those would be your left, center, and right speakers. either option would be good. It is nice to always have 3 identical speakers up front for the best timbre matching, the bookshelves (P6s) will give you a little better bass response, but I don't think you would ever notice it with your crossovers set anyways. I guess I am saying that I would rather have the LCR system.... That sub looks decent enough. If you can search for the Energy ESW-V8 on www.wwstereo.com, it is about $199 or so, and it would be a little better of a sub for not much more money... I have never heard these speakers as they are an internet direct brand. I would just check on the return policy in case you don't like them once you get them. Good Luck.

11-23-2009, 06:52 AM	#4
callas01 Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Riverside, CA Home Theater Gallery:42 Blu-ray collection:230 DVD collection:47	Cool, then it sounds like you will be happily watching new blu's this christmas. GO for it and let us know what you think.... Post Pictures. Can't believe it if we don't see it....

11-23-2009, 08:47 AM	#6
Odin75 Active Member Member since:Nov 2009 Home Theater Gallery:30 Blu-ray collection:3	Hey OP, I have the P6-PR and the RC1, I use them in my 7.1 setup in my bedroom. Ok, how can I begin. I think for you to appreciate this speakers, you have to understand they are budget solutions. The P6-PR are pretty good, and they have enough bass for their size and price. The mids are good. The real problem with is the highs, which are clearly lacking. When glass breaks, or any other high-pitch sound kicks in, you clearly see the limitations as the sound is weak and not detailed. The RC1 suffer from the same problem as the P6-PR, but to a bigger degree. Dialogue is clear, but feels weak. You might have trouble hearing voices in movies like Transformers, where dialogue is not as well defined. However, movies like 300, where the sound is more balanced, you will find the RC1 pretty good. Also, the DAC you use makes this speakers sound differently, so at least they are good enough for anyone to notice the difference between them. I currently run them with my Onkyo SR-606 using Audyssey (digital only). For my particular setup, Audyssey really makes the P6-PR shine, since it sounds more dynamic and detailed than any of my soundcards while in DIRECT MODE. However, that's at the expense of my center channel sounding weaker. I've done the test like 10 times, in different houses even, and the result is always the same. In the other hand, while using DIRECT MODE, connected from the HDAV1.3 Deluxe from my computer which has a burr-brown DAC, it really makes the center channel more detailed. Voices and glass breaking feels stronger, but of course, within the limitations that I mentioned at first. But of course, my LEFT and RIGHT channels suffer in DIRECT MODE, since I don't get the benefits from Audyssey. The point is, the speakers are good enough, that if upgrade your receiver or soundcard, you will be able to notice the benefits, which is not always the case with budget speakers. Anyways, the speakers are good, considering their cost. They won't be a bass heavy as towers, so you definitely need to get a subwoofer is you plan to use them for movie watching. Music wise, they are awesome, depending on the type of music you like. Pop music, like Taylor Swift, sounds really good since the bass never reaches the limit of the speakers, so it sounds almost identical with or without the added subwoofer. However, music by Lil Wayne for example, makes you realize they are bookshelves. Overall, I think they are a solid buy, I just wish the highs were a little bit stronger and the center channel a little bit stronger too. Advice: Can you afford the the step up? The ones with aluminum woofers? I know they have a massive discount on the P Series, but I feel that you might be happier with the T Series if you plan to use them in a long term. I have not tried the T Series myself, but they're suppose to be better, which I think is the added push the P Series needs to really bring a full smile to your face. If not, then the P Series is a steal, they are supper cheap, way cheaper than what I paid for mine originally. Ok, I hope that helps.

11-23-2009, 07:15 PM	#10
Fors Member Member since:Apr 2009	Well I bit and ordered the LCR3. I hope the dialogue is not low compared to the other sounds, thats the main beef I have with my current sony CT-100 soundbar.

11-26-2009, 06:13 AM	#12
Fors Member Member since:Apr 2009	I decided to buy surrounds also, should I go with P5 or P6? I am thinking P6 but wanna be sure.

11-26-2009, 12:30 PM	#15
callas01 Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Riverside, CA Home Theater Gallery:42 Blu-ray collection:230 DVD collection:47	you can always call them to see if they would give you the difference.

12-02-2009, 04:44 AM	#16
Fors Member Member since:Apr 2009	Received my LCR3 set and the ASW10 sub today. My receiver should be here tommorow, unfortunately my P6 for the rears havnt shipped out yet. I hope it ships soon so I can get this set up.

12-03-2009, 10:16 PM	#17
Kryptonic Suspended Member since:Jul 2009 Trading Score:45	Congrats on an excellent purchase.

12-09-2009, 05:41 PM	#18
SrLoin Active Member Member since:Sep 2009 Trading Score:25	I noticed the site says only 8 LCR3-p sets in stock. Anyone know if this is an older model that possibly isn't going to be made? Also, would this be a good starter set for someone with no other experience aside from the TV speakers? What about the RC1 center with the P6 as fronts?

12-11-2009, 10:50 AM	#20
wmarkw New Member Member since:Dec 2009	FORS: I have my asw10 hooked up the same way you are doing it (#2) and yes set the crossover on the highest setting. It thumps some really good bass; you will enjoy that set up. A trick I learned with the denon/audyssey set up is to use a lamp and screw the microphone on to. Grab a basic bedroom lamp and you will see what I'm referring to. Also, read the official 1610 denon thread at avs and subscribe to that thread. A lot of help there and also read Batpig's guid to setting up the 1610. I'll see you over at avs. enjoy!

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