System complete...and a let down - Blu-ray Forum

slimmer · 11-26-2009, 01:16 PM

Finally got around to purchasing some fronts for my HT and now it is set up, I'm a little disappointed.

Hopefully that can be changed.

My gallery is here.

Originally, I had the small Energy Take Classic system. Floorstanding speakers were purchased and what were the fronts became the surrounds on stands (fyi: intial set up, I had rears installed instead of surrounds because the room is a loft with no walls to mount anything and I hate stands).

I guess my complaint is that what were once the "surrounds" (mounted behind my sitting position) no longer produce sound unless I have a 7.1 movie playing (kind of limited by the amount of GOOD 7.1 movies) and I've lost that "sound envelope" I had previously. Other than:

a) changing the set-up to 7 channel, or
b) reversing the surrounds with the rears in the back of the avr

...is there another way I can get back to what I had? I've read a few posts of people changing back to 5.1, but I just wanted to check prior to switching back.

doctorsteve · 11-26-2009, 01:20 PM

Well, you COULD splice lines from the surround outputs to the rears (using banana plugs that are piggybacked), then simply unplug the piggybacked surround outputs when you know you've got a 7.1 film.

BIslander · 11-26-2009, 01:39 PM

Have you tried using PLIIx? That will matrix rear channels from 5.1 sources.

slimmer · 11-26-2009, 02:00 PM

Dr. Steve - never considered the splicing, but then I would lose the 7.1 (the idea and/or logistics of getting behind the unit to plug/unplug them everytime we watch a 7.1 doesn't appeal to me).

Bislander - tried PLIIx last night (usually have it set to AUTO) without a result...or at least a result I could hear.

WAF - no more ceiling/wall-mounted speakers - right now speaker wire for the surrounds are hidden by furniture.

crackinhedz · 11-26-2009, 02:11 PM

did you instruct the receiver that you are now using surround and rear channels?

...also wired correctly?

...as well as change the PS3 settings to 7.1?

slimmer · 11-26-2009, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

...as well as change the PS3 settings to 7.1?

Thanks, Crackin. Wiring is correct. The AVR does a rough calibration and it picked up the surrounds, but I didn't even THINK to check the PS3. However, I watched Shoot 'Em Up over the weekend and all 7.1 were working wonderfully.

Not being in front of the PS3 now, is there an AUTO option there, or would it need to be changed each time I run a 5.1/7.1 movie?

crackinhedz · 11-26-2009, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slimmer

Not being in front of the PS3 now, is there an AUTO option there, or would it need to be changed each time I run a 5.1/7.1 movie?

when you set up the hdmi audio, there is an "auto" feature...or you can manually select everything.

Settings - Sound Settings - Audio Output Settings - HDMI

slimmer · 11-26-2009, 02:47 PM

Nice link, cheers. I'll take a look tonight.

Last question: I have the 80GB PS3 - from what I've read, this particular model does NOT play SACD music discs.

Is this true? Anyone?

crackinhedz · 11-26-2009, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slimmer

Nice link, cheers. I'll take a look tonight.

Last question: I have the 80GB PS3 - from what I've read, this particular model does NOT play SACD music discs.

Is this true? Anyone?

I believe with the 80gb models, some do and some do not. How to tell which one does? Im not sure, but it might have the SACD logo on the side of the system.

(but I might be wrong)

doctorsteve · 11-26-2009, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

I believe with the 80gb models, some do and some do not. How to tell which one does? Im not sure, but it might have the SACD logo on the side of the system.

(but I might be wrong)

You should be correct Crackin'. My original 20GB features the sacd logo. Last known 80 GB to feature the SACD functionality was the Metal Gear 4 bundle AFAIK. (can anyone confirm this?)

Doc

SDon1969 · 11-26-2009, 04:09 PM

I have the 80 gig Motorstorm Bundle PS3, and I can confirm that it plays SACDs.

moviefan · 11-26-2009, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

..as well as change the PS3 settings to 7.1?

We have found that the PS-3 games have outstanding sound from the rears in our 7.1 system, while very few movies do. I think the 7.1 is evolving thing with Blu-ray and we just need to be patient.

slimmer · 11-26-2009, 04:52 PM

I've read that some do, some don't. My ps3 80GB does NOT have the logo, but I bought the version prior to the PS3 Slim coming out (I believe the slims do NOT play SACDs).

Apparently, you can find out here.

BIslander · 11-26-2009, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slimmer

Bislander - tried PLIIx last night (usually have it set to AUTO) without a result...or at least a result I could hear.

That would seem to be a configuration problem somewhere because you should hear audio from all of your speakers when using PLIIx. The only time you would not hear something from the rears when there is audio in the surrounds is when your receiver believes the incoming source is already 7.1.

What happens if you try 6.1 matrix DSPs such as DTS Neo:6 or DD-EX?

slimmer · 11-26-2009, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIslander

That would seem to be a configuration problem somewhere because you should hear audio from all of your speakers when using PLIIx.

I'm 99% sure I heard nothing, but I'll make a few adjustments and I'll try again this evening.

Thanks

HiDefRev · 11-26-2009, 08:14 PM

When I use the PLIIx or DTS Neo 6 settings on my Onkyo, I can definitely hear sound coming from all 4 of my surround speakers. When I ran the Audyssey set up, it was hard to hear the rear surrounds. So, I went in and manually set up all of the speakers. I had to bump up the level on the rears a little higher than the side surrounds, but now all of the 7.1 speakers are evenly matched in output at my listening position.

You may have to do the same with yours. And, no, the last Sony 80 Gig PS3 does NOT play SACDs.

slimmer · 11-26-2009, 10:23 PM

Crackin - checked settings on the PS3 and although I had it set on Auto, all choices were checked any way, except for AAC I believe.

Bislander/HiDefRev - switched from AUTO to PLIIxMovie on the receiver AND jacked my surrounds/rears up, popped in Quantum of Solace.

Wow, what a difference 24 hours makes.

Thanks for the help.

HiDefRev - (re: SACDs) oh balls. Well, at least it saves me some cash in purchasing those bloody things.

Fors* · 11-27-2009, 11:25 AM

Good to see you got some kind of resolution using PLIIxMovie....I use just this and will sometimes matrix it into all 7 channels. Happy listening slimmer.

callas01 · 11-27-2009, 02:42 PM

Slimmer nice Energy setup. When do you think you will be upgrading the center to the CC10?

How is the sound from the CF series?

Steve · 11-27-2009, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

You should be correct Crackin'. My original 20GB features the sacd logo. Last known 80 GB to feature the SACD functionality was the Metal Gear 4 bundle AFAIK. (can anyone confirm this?)

Doc

This is the model I have and to my knowledge you are correct. However, I don't recall any such logos being on my particular console.

11-26-2009, 01:16 PM	#1
slimmer Active Member Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Oakvegas Home Theater Gallery:18 Blu-ray collection:85 Blu-ray reviews:11	System complete...and a let down Finally got around to purchasing some fronts for my HT and now it is set up, I'm a little disappointed. Hopefully that can be changed. My gallery is here. Originally, I had the small Energy Take Classic system. Floorstanding speakers were purchased and what were the fronts became the surrounds on stands (fyi: intial set up, I had rears installed instead of surrounds because the room is a loft with no walls to mount anything and I hate stands). I guess my complaint is that what were once the "surrounds" (mounted behind my sitting position) no longer produce sound unless I have a 7.1 movie playing (kind of limited by the amount of GOOD 7.1 movies) and I've lost that "sound envelope" I had previously. Other than: a) changing the set-up to 7 channel, or b) reversing the surrounds with the rears in the back of the avr ...is there another way I can get back to what I had? I've read a few posts of people changing back to 5.1, but I just wanted to check prior to switching back. Last edited by slimmer; 11-26-2009 at 02:08 PM.

11-26-2009, 04:52 PM	#13
slimmer Active Member Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Oakvegas Home Theater Gallery:18 Blu-ray collection:85 Blu-ray reviews:11	I've read that some do, some don't. My ps3 80GB does NOT have the logo, but I bought the version prior to the PS3 Slim coming out (I believe the slims do NOT play SACDs). Apparently, you can find out here. Last edited by slimmer; 11-26-2009 at 05:41 PM.

11-26-2009, 08:14 PM	#16
HiDefRev Active Member Member since:Sep 2009 Location:State of Relativity Blu-ray collection:35	7.1 When I use the PLIIx or DTS Neo 6 settings on my Onkyo, I can definitely hear sound coming from all 4 of my surround speakers. When I ran the Audyssey set up, it was hard to hear the rear surrounds. So, I went in and manually set up all of the speakers. I had to bump up the level on the rears a little higher than the side surrounds, but now all of the 7.1 speakers are evenly matched in output at my listening position. You may have to do the same with yours. And, no, the last Sony 80 Gig PS3 does NOT play SACDs. Last edited by HiDefRev; 11-26-2009 at 08:20 PM.

11-26-2009, 10:23 PM	#17
slimmer Active Member Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Oakvegas Home Theater Gallery:18 Blu-ray collection:85 Blu-ray reviews:11	Crackin - checked settings on the PS3 and although I had it set on Auto, all choices were checked any way, except for AAC I believe. Bislander/HiDefRev - switched from AUTO to PLIIxMovie on the receiver AND jacked my surrounds/rears up, popped in Quantum of Solace. Wow, what a difference 24 hours makes. Thanks for the help. HiDefRev - (re: SACDs) oh balls. Well, at least it saves me some cash in purchasing those bloody things. Last edited by slimmer; 11-26-2009 at 10:42 PM.

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11-26-2009, 01:20 PM	#2
doctorsteve Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Tonawanda, NY Home Theater Gallery:15 Blu-ray collection:188 Blu-ray reviews:16	Well, you COULD splice lines from the surround outputs to the rears (using banana plugs that are piggybacked), then simply unplug the piggybacked surround outputs when you know you've got a 7.1 film.

11-26-2009, 01:39 PM	#3
BIslander Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Bainbridge Island, WA	Have you tried using PLIIx? That will matrix rear channels from 5.1 sources.

11-26-2009, 02:00 PM	#4
slimmer Active Member Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Oakvegas Home Theater Gallery:18 Blu-ray collection:85 Blu-ray reviews:11	Dr. Steve - never considered the splicing, but then I would lose the 7.1 (the idea and/or logistics of getting behind the unit to plug/unplug them everytime we watch a 7.1 doesn't appeal to me). Bislander - tried PLIIx last night (usually have it set to AUTO) without a result...or at least a result I could hear. WAF - no more ceiling/wall-mounted speakers - right now speaker wire for the surrounds are hidden by furniture.

11-26-2009, 02:11 PM	#5
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	did you instruct the receiver that you are now using surround and rear channels? ...also wired correctly? ...as well as change the PS3 settings to 7.1?

11-26-2009, 02:47 PM	#8
slimmer Active Member Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Oakvegas Home Theater Gallery:18 Blu-ray collection:85 Blu-ray reviews:11	Nice link, cheers. I'll take a look tonight. Last question: I have the 80GB PS3 - from what I've read, this particular model does NOT play SACD music discs. Is this true? Anyone?

11-26-2009, 04:09 PM	#11
SDon1969 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Massachusetts Home Theater Gallery:32 Blu-ray collection:745 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	I have the 80 gig Motorstorm Bundle PS3, and I can confirm that it plays SACDs.

11-27-2009, 11:25 AM	#18
Fors* Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Pottstown, PA Home Theater Gallery:160 4K collection:12 Blu-ray collection:142 Trading Score:11	Good to see you got some kind of resolution using PLIIxMovie....I use just this and will sometimes matrix it into all 7 channels. Happy listening slimmer.

11-27-2009, 02:42 PM	#19
callas01 Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Riverside, CA Home Theater Gallery:42 Blu-ray collection:230 DVD collection:47	Slimmer nice Energy setup. When do you think you will be upgrading the center to the CC10? How is the sound from the CF series?

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