The thread on non expensive HD camcorders

[Kino-Chan fan]

Hello! Not sure if this is the right area to talk of this, if not please move it to where it belongs.

OK, I would like to have a HD camcorder but of the less expensive ones. But I have been hearing that some are not very good despite the big names behind them.

First we have the Sony webbies:
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Webbie-MHS-CM1-Camcorder-Silver/dp/B001P3O3MC/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=IVYDAVFQQDX2P&colid= 2P3UESXXDSUF7

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Webbie-MHS-PM1-Camcorder-Silver/dp/B001QWF01K/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2L1C4I3VOVSPJ&colid =2P3UESXXDSUF7

They seem to be the most popular, but I have been reading they receive bad reviews.

Sanyo did an interesting camcorder but is nowhere to be found now:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10629517

And now they have a more expensive product:
http://www.amazon.com/Sanyo-HD1010-Definition-Camcorder-Optical/dp/B001AO10YU/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2S2J3L3IBKZU5&colid =2P3UESXXDSUF7

The Picsio ones from JVC look good but also have been receiving bad reviews:
http://www.amazon.com/JVC-PICSIO-GC-FM1A-Camcorder-Black/dp/B002JPJII4/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=IKG1C7V5CC0QG&colid= 2P3UESXXDSUF7

So, which is the better trustworthy and affordable HD camcorder?

There are also some from Kodak, DXG & Flip (which have been receiving good reviews) but don't have full HD.