Remakes Vs Sequels Discussion

[Stu123]

I heard they're doing a remake of tron due out dec 2010 does anyone agree it would be better to focus on remaking older films than rushing out lame sequels of recent ones.I suppose remakes could also be classed as when they refresh a big franchise like star trek and batman.

[Fabio13]

If someone in Hollywood utters the word remake, it seems filmnerds all over the world automatically screams blasphemy. It´s gotten so bad that studio excecutives have stopped saying remake and started saying reboot.

Now why is this? Is it really that bad if an artist want´s too bring his(or hers) vision of a known and beloved story too the silver screen. When you think about it, film is the only media where a cover version is mostly considered a bad thing. They do it all the time at the theatre, and that´s the reason why you´ve heard of Shakespeare. If you´re talking about music, a remake is called a tribute.

Ok, I may be biased because I´m not defending those damned american remakes of non-english movies, that are only made because people are considered too lazy too read sublines.
Consider "The Day The Earth Stood Still". The remake was not good (in fact it was really bad) but at least it they put up an effort too bring this story too the modern public, with a modern message AND it made me finally watch the original, which I now love.

A remake does not ruin the original movie, and sometimes it just may bring us something new.

[A Tortured Duckling]

It all depends on who's doing what. Martin Scorsese remaking his own movie(s), or any more for that matter, doesn't bother me at all.

[Q?]

Originally Posted by SBC28

It all depends on who's doing what. Martin Scorsese remaking his own movie(s), or any more for that matter, doesn't bother me at all.

Or when he remade Infernal Affairs

Anyways, the Taxi Driver remake has been debunked, but Scorsese has talked with Lars Von Trier

[tilallr1]

The problem I have with the majority of remakes, reboots, sequels is that they reflect (as of late) how lazy Hollywood is getting. Not much originality any more. Even large successful films like Avatar are basically remakes of sorts.

But can you really blame them. Remakes, reboots and sequels are easy money. People tend to flock to them. But more over than not, fans end off leaving the cinema extremely disappointed.

Lets be honesty the large majority of remakes, reboots and sequels pale in comparison to their predecessor. This stigma has permeated to all film fans. Which is the reason for their large disdain of these sorts of films.

I think the only time a remake or reboot/sequel is acceptable is when the idea was excellent but the original film didn't execute it well. This could have been due to a low budget, poor acting, bad screenplay or director. You fix what was broken in the movie and you have a gem. But unfortunately, this rarely happens.

[seeweda]

The biggest problem with Hollywoods remakes is that for the morst part they suck. The studio not only gets lazy with originality but they half ass it on production value and they usually alter the script to try to make it a little original but end up killing what made it good in the first place.

By the way a reboot is when you make a movie about previously existing characters but tell a completely new story. A remake is when you take a story and make minor alterations to it and call it new.

Batman is a reboot. Willy Wonka is a remake.

[Moefiz]

I personally don't mind a film being remade as long its better or equal to its predecessor...

[P@t_Mtl]

I can't stop them from being made so I don't lose sleep over it. The original is still there even if the remake was made wont prevent me from enjoying the older version.

Some people just love to go crazy over anything and find personal offence in everything. I just have better things to do with my time, like watching my BD collection

[AndyTheZombie]

pretty much why they are remaking everything is because Holly Wood is just really lazy. they just want to make a quick buck. a lot of the stuff there remaking is huge franchises like Friday The 13TH, Nightmare On Elm Street and Halloween. the studios are scared to take a chance on something original. so they rely on huge franchises.

[Kizzo]

I agree with you Tilallr1.

There is just no creativity left in Hollywood anymore. All they have now is a remake or a reboot whatever they want to call it now. Nothing can ever top the original, unless the original movies were so bad that a remake is indeed warranted. Maybe a new director and writer can give us a new vision on the movie when their predecessors sucked in quality.

Chris Nolan did this with the new Batman movies. He completely reinvented the Batman universe that not only exceeds the original movies, but has created a new way to do a superhero movie. This will not happen 90% of the time with remakes or reboots, because the makers of these new movies are not looking to top or equal the original in quality.

[Adegan]

Yes I agree as well with some of the posters about the lack of creativity and originality in Hollywood. They are afraid to take on a new IP and go for the safe route of a proven project to make money. But one has to take into account that the majority of the movie going public are not film fans like we are. Out of 10 people maybe one or two know that it is a remake, the rest probably think it is a new movie, that's why they flock to the theaters to see it. This happens mostly with the horror remakes, where their target demographic is the teen crowd that in general don't know or care that movies existed before the 1990's.

I am all for a remake, reboot or whatever you want to call it as long as it is good and brings something new to the table.

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by Kizzo

Chris Nolan did this with the new Batman movies. He completely reinvented the Batman universe that not only exceeds the original movies, but has created a new way to do a superhero movie. This will not happen 90% of the time with remakes or reboots, because the makers of these new movies are not looking to top or equal the original in quality.

The nice thing with Batman, is he has been reinvented so many times in the comics that I don't mind different flavors of him on film. But I whole hearty agree with you that Nolan's version of Batman has been the best on Film so far.

I also am excited to see what Abrams does with Star Trek franchise as well. So far so good. Never thought a REBOOT, REMAKE, SEQUEL was possible ... but Star Trek pulled it off ... with flying colors.

[Tok]

The new Tron movie is a sequel. Not a remake. The original Tron was ahead of its time. I am quite intrigued on what direction they will take the story in since the original is approaching thirty years old.

They brought Jeff Bridges back... which makes this an even more intriguing project.

[bboisvert]

Originally Posted by stubiedoo

I heard they're doing a remake of tron due out dec 2010 does anyone agree it would be better to focus on remaking older films than rushing out lame sequels of recent ones.

I'm not sure I understand the question.

As mentioned, Tron Legacy is a sequel, not a remake.

The original movie is 28 years old, so it's hard to classify it as "recent".

And the sequel has been considered, planned, and worked on for more than a decade over at Disney. And the budget for the film is reportedly astronomical. So... "rushing out"?

And no one has seen the movie yet, so it's hard to call it "lame".



Again, not sure what you're getting at...

[Mobjack]

Originally Posted by Moefiz

I personally don't mind a film being remade as long its better or equal to its predecessor...

I also like seeing someone else vision of a particular story that has been done. I am sure I am in the minority here, but I enjoyed the remakes of Halloween, Friday the 13th, Dawn of the Dead, etc. I guess it is all personal taste, but having a few variants of a film is a good thing in my opinion.

[Mumps]

Well, how about... instead of remakes and sequels, studios focus on the lost art of the "Original idea".

That said I am looking forward to Tron 2

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by Mumps

Well, how about... instead of remakes and sequels, studios focus on the lost art of the "Original idea".

That said I am looking forward to Tron 2

Ha thats funny Hollywood and original idea don't go together.

[CZAR]

Originally Posted by Mobjack

I also like seeing someone else vision of a particular story that has been done. I am sure I am in the minority here, but I enjoyed the remakes of Halloween, Friday the 13th, Dawn of the Dead, etc. I guess it is all personal taste, but having a few variants of a film is a good thing in my opinion.

I dont think u are in the minority for those 2 but that Halloween crap Im pretty sure u are. Got Em!!

[loki993]

Originally Posted by Mumps

Well, how about... instead of remakes and sequels, studios focus on the lost art of the "Original idea".

That said I am looking forward to Tron 2

Yeah thats pretty much how I feel. It seems that they have run out of those though. Dont get me wrong I like well done remakes and sequels, but they are few and far between. There has been seemingly a larger than normal amount of remakes and sequels lately. Two that jump out at me are Red Dawn, a movie that probably didn't need to be remade and the A team, which should have been a good movie. That said I'm not holding out a lot of hope for either of these, I think the rash of remakes and sequels that are coming out lately are pretty much for the purpose of trying to make money off of the name recognition alone. It doesn't seem that a lot of effort is being put into making a good movie, instead they make an ok or even marginal movie and let the name generate sales. I hope Im wrong about those movies, but I really doubt I am.

[Mobjack]

Originally Posted by CZAR

I dont think u are in the minority for those 2 but that Halloween crap Im pretty sure u are. Got Em!!

Yeah, I was about 99.99% sure on that one too.