3D and Plasma's

[Blove23]

Its funny that reading through different threads and different articles the focus on 3D seems to be on LCD's. I have not heard from any articles or threads where a plasma would not work with 3D. It seems that the only problem is with LCD's displays when it comes to 3D.

Maybe I'm wrong, but there really has not been a focus on plasma televisions, but more of a focus on refresh rates!

Can anybody help me out on this or your opinion?

[My_Two_Cents]

The higher-line 2010 Panasonic plasmas are all supposed to be 3D capable. They even come with glasses.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by Blove23

Its funny that reading through different threads and different articles the focus on 3D seems to be on LCD's. I have not heard from any articles or threads where a plasma would not work with 3D. It seems that the only problem is with LCD's displays when it comes to 3D.

Maybe I'm wrong, but there really has not been a focus on plasma televisions, but more of a focus on refresh rates!

Can anybody help me out on this or your opinion?

It's not the display type - it's the data input rate. Bpu 3-D requires 120 Hz input rate, most televisions only have 60Hz input (stepped up to higher rates once the signal is in).

I am expecting a technical workaround for current televisions to work with this, driven by the broadcast industry that's still stuck with 1080i. This is definitely a long story that isn't finished yet.

[will0775]

Read this article By HD guru the V20 and V 25 Pannys are 3D ready. I saw a demo of this TVs and they looked great.



http://hdguru.com/ces-2010-report-an...anasonic/1269/

[wafi]

This is what I came away with from another article...on the Panny P50VT20

We were able to watch various sports in 3D, we played Avatar: The Game in 3D, we watched film and TV clips in 3D. But our opinion didn't really change – if we had owned this TV, we'd spend most of the time watching in crystal-clear 2D – it's just a lot more relaxing that way.

http://www.techradar.com/news/televi...-3d-tv--671155

[42041]

3D-capable plasmas will work fine with shutter glasses 3d. Probably better than LCDs even, despite the marketing hype I'm dubious they can actually display images at 120fps and not bleed one eye's image into the other.

[JamesN]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

It's not the display type - it's the data input rate. Bpu 3-D requires 120 Hz input rate, most televisions only have 60Hz input (stepped up to higher rates once the signal is in).

I am expecting a technical workaround for current televisions to work with this, driven by the broadcast industry that's still stuck with 1080i. This is definitely a long story that isn't finished yet.

Actually it is the display type that matters. 3D will not work with current LCD display technologies--only with CRT, DLP, or plasma. The reason being there is no true blanking interval with LCD displays with which shutter glasses could synchronize.

Also, data rate is important for quality 3D, but is not a prerequisite for the process in general. 60Hz 3D certainly works, but has objectionable flicker. The flicker does not become undetectable for most people until refresh rates exceed 100Hz.

edit There is some work being done on "micro polarized" 3D LCD displays. Whether these come to fruition is anyone's guess, but the technology will certainly not be backwardly compatible with existing LCDs. Also, Samsung and Sony are getting ready to release some 3D capable LED tvs. It's all still in flux. I guess we'll see where things end up in the next few years. Should be interesting.

For those interested, here is a list of current and upcoming 3D capable HD direct-view displays.

And here is a list of current 3D capable projectors. Notice that none of the projectors is full 1080p.

[JamesN]

A little more info about LCD displays and 3D. Apparently the new generation of 3D-capable tvs that are being advertised as LED displays actually use LCD panels but with LED backlighting. This allows the tvs to effectively have a blanking interval by dimming the LED backlighting when necessary (between frames)--something conventional LCD displays cannot do. This is how shutter glasses can be made to sync with these sets.

So I stand corrected in my previous statement that LCD technology is not compatible with 3D. Apparently it is compatible, but it has to be supplemented with another technology (LED) to get it to work with shutter glasses.

Sorry if I caused any confusion in my previous post.

[deep4k]

Originally Posted by JamesN

Actually it is the display type that matters. 3D will not work with current LCD display technologies--only with CRT, DLP, or plasma. The reason being there is no true blanking interval with LCD displays with which shutter glasses could synchronize.

It already works with LCD and shutter glasses and it's used in gaming.

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[skygreenleopard]

Due to your avatar I read that in a robot voice. Thank you!

[Raul4510]

I dislike 3D with a passion! Who wants to sit at home wearing crappy glasses just to watch a movie: I think the whole concept is ridiculous and makes me uncomfortable. I've watched one movie in 3D recently and I left the theater with a headache. I have no intention of upgrading to this fad technology. Kind of reminds me of the old virtual reality video games. Useless..

[kpkelley]

Which movie?

[JamesN]

Originally Posted by deep4k

It already works with LCD and shutter glasses and it's used in gaming.

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You are quite correct. 3D certainly can be made to work on LCD displays (both computer monitors and HDTVs), as is evidenced by the links you posted as well as the recent debut of Samsung's LCD/LED 3DTVs. I was totally incorrect in that regard in my earlier post.


I also incorrectly postulated that it was the LED backlighting in LCD/LED displays that allowed proper synchronization with shutterglasses. This, too, was incorrect. As it turns out, Samsung's sets insert blank frames between each actual video frame to give the LCD pixels a chance to return to a neutral state before the shutterglasses "switch" eyes. This helps to reduce (although not eliminate) ghosting.

[Raul4510]

I watched Alice in Wonderland... 3D ruined it for me.

[centauro74]

First, Alice is really a bad movie and second, I heard that movie was convert it to 3D, i read it wasn't shot it on 3d.

[JamesN]

Originally Posted by centauro74

First, Alice is really a bad movie and second, I heard that movie was convert it to 3D, i read it wasn't shot it on 3d.

The live action elements were shot in 2D and converted to 3D.

The CGI elements were rendered in true stereoscopic 3D.

Maybe that makes it 2.5D?

[Dr. Skill]

Originally Posted by centauro74

First, Alice is really a bad movie and second, I heard that movie was convert it to 3D, i read it wasn't shot it on 3d.

I thought the movie was fantastic and the 3D presentation stellar. To each its own.

[Raul4510]

Good for you! I will not see another movie in 3D if I have to wear glasses for the duration of the entire film.

[lDlisturb3d]

keep in mind most plasma or maybe even all plasmas have 600hz refresh rate.

[Oniichan]

lets see, biggest plasma gonna hit market is 60 inches, prolly in the 4K range, Vizio on the other hand is coming out with a 72 inch LED for 3,500, for me its gonna be the Vizio. I will tell the truth, it is hard waiting , lol, i have been eyeing that 55 inch sammy, the 8000 series one that has Precision Dimming, apparently the one that all the Best Buys are deming is the 7000 series one and it does not have precision dimming according to sammys chart, unles i am wrong? lol