TG Daily article: PlayStation 3 kills HD DVD

[Lord_Stewie]

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33444/128/

the link above is about how much affect the playstation 3 has on the format war.

HD DVD group should be counting the PS3 as a bluray player. the system has BD built in, and its games are on BD Discs. it is true that it is a video gaming system, but then again it is also a BD player. it is but a fact, and if ignored then it is DENIAL OF THE FACT.

what do you guys think?

[Icemage]

I think the PS3 is a quite viable Blu-ray player, but it should be considered a player that has inherently low attach rate; 60% of PS3 users don't know it has a Blu-ray drive in it.

That being said, it's still kicking the stuffing out of the HD DVD sales numbers week in and week out.

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by Icemage

I think the PS3 is a quite viable Blu-ray player, but it should be considered a player that has inherently low attach rate; 60% of PS3 users don't know it has a Blu-ray drive in it.

That being said, it's still kicking the stuffing out of the HD DVD sales numbers week in and week out.

I am actually surprised about the number of people who don't know that the ps3 has a built in BD player.

[WickyWoo]

What suprises me is how many people don't call it a "standalone", when it fits every definition of the word, as it plays BD out of the box

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

What suprises me is how many people don't call it a "standalone", when it fits every definition of the word, as it plays BD out of the box

yup that surprises me. i think the fact that it can play both bluray movies and games, it should be called a "standalone"

[dialog_gvf]

So, aside from just sitting around and waiting, hoping for consumers to look its way, the only thing I can see is that HD DVD needs to expand on its other platforms. Bringing a killer app in the form of an HD DVD-based computer game, standard iuntegration into the Xbox, landing a partnership with TiVo to bring an HD DVD player to the high-definition TiVo box, or even incorporating built-in HD DVD players into a wide variety of HDTVs all could create more awareness for the format.

What sense would it be for TiVo to put a disc player in a unit, when they could add a Blu-ray BURNER for archiving?

[JTK]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

What sense would it be for TiVo to put a disc player in a unit, when they could add a Blu-ray BURNER for archiving?

Indeed. I'd much prefer that option over a Tivo any day of the week.

[UltimateFighter]

Hey guys,

While I don't agree with this article, I thought you would enjoy it. Has some interesting stats on the format war.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33444/118/

Merged with existing thread. ~Wondermaker

[aygie]

Interesting. But all those sale figures never include PS3's as prt of the hardware, or do they?

[Terjyn]

Reading some of the comments is downright depressing.

I thought I'd seen some insane HD-DVD is winning people before, but I think this takes the all time out-of-this-world belief(paraphrased):

You can't trust the Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD software numbers because Sony lies.

[CAB]

I read this yesterday and had to step back from my machine in frustration. . .

"There's no question in my mind that HD DVD is a fundamentally better product. If it were up to the true videophiles to decide, it probably would be gaining a lot more traction."

Which of the technical details (did he mention anything technical) in the article support his conclusion? Certainly not the capacity for larger movies or less-lossy transfers or higher bandwidth off the media. He pointed to features that, judging by Blu-ray out-pacing HD-DVD sales, would be secondary to most videophiles. I want the best PQ and AQ and that's what BD delivers.

Did you read the reader comment about the 50GB doesn't matter because by the time it is needed we'll have a newer format? When the same (or lesser) LoTR transfer shows up on HD-DVD with an extra disk I'll try to find that ignorant post and ask.

-CB

[Scorxpion]

Yes this is True PS3 is killing HD-DVD ....

[Beta-guy]

"There's no question in my mind that HD DVD is a fundamentally better product. If it were up to the true videophiles to decide, it probably would be gaining a lot more traction."

Blu-Ray has a maximum Audio/Video Transfer of 48.0 Mbit/s compared to HD-DVD who has a maximum of 30.24 Mbit/s for Audio/Video Transfer

the Blu-ray on a 2 Layer Disc can hold 50 GB while HD-DVD only has 30 GB

information taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray

so Blu-ray is faster and holds more yet Videophiles jump to a format that that is more limited in speed and space because it gives better image quality? lol

[Lord_Stewie]

Also in the report mentioning something about the HDDVD should have a killer app added to videogaming consoles, didn't microsoft release the Elite and decided not to add an HDDUD app into they system. that says alot about where microsoft stands in the format war, they are unsure of the technology, and also it could mean that they know bluray will win the format war.

[supersix4]

+ alot of people I play xbox with dont even have hdtvs so even if it did have an installed hdud drive why would they buy it...

[scott1256ca]

I think the PS3 is a quite viable Blu-ray player, but it should be considered a player that has inherently low attach rate; 60% of PS3 users don't know it has a Blu-ray drive in it.

I remember reading that as well, but the following excerpt disputes that, saying 60% of HD console owners didn't know PS3 had a BD drive, so that would include Wii and Xbox 360 owners.

According to a study commissioned by Sony in June, 72% of Playstation 3 owners have purchased a Blu-ray disc movie, and 87% said they intend to buy one in the next 12 months. Of those who said they watch BD movies on their PS3 frequently, 82% said Blu-ray is their preferred movie format.

There's some confusion about whether PS3 owners do actually make use of the console's ability to play Blu-ray movies. In stark contrast to the Sony survey, NPD released a study this week that found that 40% of next-gen gamers didn't even know the PS3 had a Blu-ray player.

However, the NPD survey included owners of any next-gen system, meaning the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360. It also included participants as young as six years old. This undoubtedly includes people who don't even care about high definition content. For die-hard PS3 fans, though, it seems there isn't even a question. They appreciate the Blu-ray functionality and probably don't even look at HD DVD.

[scott1256ca]

Raby also wrote the following, referring mostly to interactive features.

There's no question in my mind that HD DVD is a fundamentally better product. If it were up to the true videophiles to decide, it probably would be gaining a lot more traction.

Yet he has nothing about profile 1.1 and BD-Live coming up. He probably doesn't even know.

I consider myself a videophile (I have no games for my ps3, at least not yet), and I chose BD because of the better potential for all features, including longer term interactivity, PQ, AQ etc.

[supersix4]

Also it was the first console out wasnt that expensive and most people were like meh why should I get an hdtv so that cuts hduds add on sales down + who really wants that add on anyway lol( even tho I own it )

[dialog_gvf]

There's some confusion about whether PS3 owners do actually make use of the console's ability to play Blu-ray movies. In stark contrast to the Sony survey, NPD released a study this week that found that 40% of next-gen gamers didn't even know the PS3 had a Blu-ray player.

The amazing thing is, few seem to realize how incredible PRO Blu-ray that statistic actually is.

The 5:1 hardware advantage leading to a 2:1 disc sales advantage isn't at all accurate, because 40% of the PS/3 owners (about 600K units for North America) don't even know they have a Blu-ray player.

It's easy to inform people they already own something. And its probably 1000x easier to get them to use what they already have, than try to convince them buy something new.

Gary

[supersix4]

yeah thats a crazy stat