internal Laptop Blu-ray disk drive?

[Blueisright]

When will there be an aftermarket blue-ray disk drive for laptop computers? the only regret I have about my laptop now (being so close to release of BD release) is that I will not have a bd player. I would like to eventualy upgrade if possible.

I Have a Dell Inpiron E1705 with Intel Core Duo 2.0 GHz

[01dmeng]

As many of you know Apple has helped to develop Blue-Ray and will be using the technology in future products.

I want to buy a Macbook Pro but I am now considering waiting for an inbuilt Blue-Ray drive.

I want my Laptop to last. I don't what to find in several years that I can't install the latest software because it only comes on blue-ray disks.

Will it be worth the wait?

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by 01dmeng

As many of you know Apple has helped to develop Blue-Ray and will be using the technology in future products.

I want to buy a Macbook Pro but I am now considering waiting for an inbuilt Blue-Ray drive.

I want my Laptop to last. I don't what to find in several years that I can't install the latest software because it only comes on blue-ray disks.

Will it be worth the wait?

Apple does not have a history of putting the latest/fastest/highest density drives into their laptops.

Whether this is because Steve Jobs got burned on optical drives at NeXT (he dropped the floppy back in the 80s and only had a read/write optical drive in it and the technical pundits burned him in the press for it while the users demanded an add on floppy capability) or whether Apple needs an ultra thin slot loading drive to fit into their thin laptops, I don't know.

That said, it is quite possible Apple will do a rev change on their professional line of Intel based laptops when Merom (Intel's 64 bit laptop dual core processor using the next generation microarchitecture) is in full production (probably early fourth quarter). If Apple does that it will most likely be too soon for a Blu-ray drive to be included.

However, if Apple does not announce a revision on this line until January (Macworld Expo where a LOT of Apple stuff is announced each year) then a Blu-ray drive *might* be included.

Bottom line:
Possible MacBook Pro rev in September/October but Blu-ray unlikely
Probable MacBook Pro rev in January with Blu-ray quite possible

[01dmeng]

Thanks

I'm hoping for a Macworld Expo 2007.This I know may not be possible.

I'm sure they must have the technology already, it must be the ability to produce these sort of drives remotely cost effectively that is holding Blue-ray’s potential back.

Also does anyone have any idea what sort of speeds Blue-ray drives will be able to write at.

[Blue]

Originally Posted by Blueisright

When will there be an aftermarket blue-ray disk drive for laptop computers? the only regret I have about my laptop now (being so close to release of BD release) is that I will not have a bd player. I would like to eventualy upgrade if possible.

I Have a Dell Inpiron E1705 with Intel Core Duo 2.0 GHz

I'm sure you will be able to get a drive (even colour matched) as Dell is in the middle of Blu Ray as well just look at the offical Blu Ray webs site (unlike HP they hav made no announcements about sitting on the fence). I intend to buy a new Dell laptop before the end of June and expect to be able to get a BD drive at a latter date.

[The Cyndicate]

lol apple had nothing to do with blu-ray. It was SONY, and the PS3 that has dumped the most money into getting it out. Panasonic has dumped quite a bit of time and money into it as well. As far as I know, Crapple has had nothing to do with it. They might have played with it, but as far as I know, boat anchors dont need or use disc drives =x : jab jab :

As per the questioned asked, I really would like to know as well about laptop bd drives. Its really the only thing I havent heard about.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by The Cyndicate

lol apple had nothing to do with blu-ray. It was SONY, and the PS3 that has dumped the most money into getting it out. Panasonic has dumped quite a bit of time and money into it as well. As far as I know, Crapple has had nothing to do with it. They might have played with it, but as far as I know, boat anchors dont need or use disc drives =x : jab jab :

As per the questioned asked, I really would like to know as well about laptop bd drives. Its really the only thing I havent heard about.

I think this still remains to be seen, as we all know Apple is a very secretive company when it pertains to releasing details in terms of its future hardware--Blu-ray drives--and its superior OS--Mac OS X.

Also, with the rumors swirling around with possible iTunes movies coming on the Blu-ray discs themselves, Apple well may suprise everyone in regards to their Blu-ray offerings. Moreover, with Apple being on the the BDA's Board of Directors, I would think they are definitely putting their two cents ($) in, literally.

The MacBook Pro 17-inch with a Blu-ray drive would be freakin sweet. Coupled with Final Cut Pro support and other video software support (iMovieHD, iDVD (iBlu-ray?), etc. , Apple....I'm your huckleberry.

[hmurchison]

Apple had nothing to do with the creation of Blu Ray. Those words should not be utterered again unless in jest.

Apple has HD-DVD authoring tools. I doubt they move from their current neutral stance. Sure Steve Jobs gladhanded the Sony exec on stage at Macworld but then again Steve's a marketer and will say just about anything to ride the hype wave.

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

Apple had nothing to do with the creation of Blu Ray. Those words should not be utterered again unless in jest.

Apple has HD-DVD authoring tools. I doubt they move from their current neutral stance. Sure Steve Jobs gladhanded the Sony exec on stage at Macworld but then again Steve's a marketer and will say just about anything to ride the hype wave.

You asked in another thread where you had been misleading. I would suggest this is one place. You state "Apple has HD-DVD authoring tools." I have never seen nor heard of such tools. Also you imply Apple does not have Blu-ray authoring tools which it has explicitly stated it will support in both hardware and software (including APIs).

It's not just Jobs "glandhanding" a Sony exec on stage (in fact neither HD-DVD nor Blu-ray came up when they were on stage together at Macworld). Apple has issued stand alone press releases about supporting Blu-ray Disk. I have never seen any stand alone press releases from Apple claiming specific support for HD-DVD.

I think this is your answer as to whom has been misleading who.

[hmurchison]

You asked in another thread where you had been misleading. I would suggest this is one place. You state "Apple has HD-DVD authoring tools." I have never seen nor heard of such tools. Also you imply Apple does not have Blu-ray authoring tools which it has explicitly stated it will support in both hardware and software (including APIs).

Thank you for asking for clarification.

http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/...ro/author.html

Look for this

With DVD Studio Pro 4, you can harness the power of H.264 — the new industry-standard, ultra-efficient video codec — to showcase and distribute HD content. Integrated and scalable H.264 encoding allows you to fit HD content on DVDs using existing drives and media. Import native HDV content to HD on DVD with no recompression, even create HD DVD versions from existing SD projects.

Blue Ray authoring should come in the next version. Apple has yet to revise Finalc Cut Studio but I see that happening by summers end.

I have never seen any stand alone press releases from Apple claiming specific support for HD-DVD.

You have now

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005...7fcstudio.html

DVD Studio Pro 4, Final Cut Studio’s professional DVD authoring program, is the first commercially available DVD authoring software that lets users burn their HD projects to high definition DVDs based on the latest HD DVD specification. DVD Studio Pro 4 will be demonstrated at NAB with a prototype consumer [b]HD DVD player from Toshiba set to debut later this year[b]

I've added emphasis in bold.

or how about this one.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/apr/17hd.html

Apple is committed to both emerging high definition DVD standards—Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD. Apple is an active member of the DVD Forum which developed the HD DVD standard, and last month joined the Board of Directors of the Blu-ray Disc Association.


I think these more than back up my statements with credible links. Here's the summary:

1. Apple will support both Blu Ray and HD-DVD in some fashion.
2. My information is credible and again I've not tried to purposely deceive anyone.

I'm just a pain in the arse because I blow the whistle on incorrect info. I don't harbor any hatred for Sony or the fine people on these boards. We're all movie lovers first and foremost.

[zombie]

Apple being a member of the DVD Forum doesn't necessarily equal them supporting HD DVD.

[The Cyndicate]

Lets leave the apple thing alone. Dont come into a forum spouting off about Apple this, and Apple that.

Apple SUCKS! EVERYTHING run on an apple is emulated. Apple only has maybe 10 Software programs that runs on it WITHOUT an emulator.

ALL real movie production, and tv production is done on PC. As a matter of FACT, Alias was morphed into Maya software, and ALL GREAT effects are done with Maya or 3d Studio Max, ON PC's! I am always hearing this shit about Macs being better for multimedia. Its BULLSHIT! Music Production done with ProTools on a PC! The BEST Music studio software is Nuendo, it is run and used on PCs! Sure you can run them on a Mac, if you emulate windows! Even software that is so called MADE for Macs, like Adobe Photoshop, uses emulated windows dlls, and translates the code to run on a Mac.

Listen, All real production, music or movies, uses PCs. Sure, some don't, some use Macs, but its VERY few and far between. Hell, EVERY Local newscast is done on a PC using Adobe Premiere.

Yes, as the commercial said, Mac had no new viruses last year made for a Mac. Thats because no-one made any new SOFTWARE for a Mac either!

If you want to come here and talk about the technology of Blu-Ray, thats fine. But don't come in here acting 'holier than thou' and spouting off about a Mac. This is a Blu-Ray forum, not a Mac VS PC forum.

FATALITY.

[Shadowself]

Unfortunately I may not have been clear.

It is very different for a company (such as Apple or Microsoft) to support various devices and formats in applications and yet another to support it in the OS.

I expect to see MS support Blu-ray in applications LONG before it supports it in Vista. Similarly, but in the opposite directly, with Apple supporting Blu-ray in Mac OS X versus in applications.

Can you point to a press release that shows Apple supporting HD-DVD in Mac OS X and not just in an application?

[The Cyndicate]

I have Nero 7 right now, with Blu-Ray on it. I have a few Blu-Ray programs already. Compiliers, and volume builders.

[hmurchison]

Originally Posted by nyg

Apple being a member of the DVD Forum doesn't necessarily equal them supporting HD DVD.

Yes but their press release clearly states that DVD SP 4 supports "Toshiba's HD-DVD" Apple's prior page on DVD SP 4 had the HD-DVD logo as well

Can you point to a press release that shows Apple supporting HD-DVD in Mac OS X and not just in an application?

I think that'll have to come in OS X 10.5 which is codenamed Leopard. Right now we do have HD DVD support in the built in DVD Player 4.6.x

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/dvdplayer/

You can even watch high-definition video if you’ve installed the Apple DVD Player 4.6 Update. In fact, DVD Player 4.6 lets you play DVD Studio Pro 4 authored HD DVDs from discs and hard drives.

Of course when OS X 10.4 Tiger shipped iHD the interactive layer for HD DVD wasn't ready nor were computer drives. I expect Apple to add hooks into the OS for both in the next version.

Cyndicate...that was a riot man! Great sarcasm there <thumbs up>

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by The Cyndicate

Lets leave the apple thing alone. Dont come into a forum spouting off about Apple this, and Apple that.

Apple SUCKS! EVERYTHING run on an apple is emulated. Apple only has maybe 10 Software programs that runs on it WITHOUT an emulator.

ALL real movie production, and tv production is done on PC. As a matter of FACT, Alias was morphed into Maya software, and ALL GREAT effects are done with Maya or 3d Studio Max, ON PC's! I am always hearing this shit about Macs being better for multimedia. Its BULLSHIT! Music Production done with ProTools on a PC! The BEST Music studio software is Nuendo, it is run and used on PCs! Sure you can run them on a Mac, if you emulate windows! Even software that is so called MADE for Macs, like Adobe Photoshop, uses emulated windows dlls, and translates the code to run on a Mac.

Listen, All real production, music or movies, uses PCs. Sure, some don't, some use Macs, but its VERY few and far between. Hell, EVERY Local newscast is done on a PC using Adobe Premiere.

Yes, as the commercial said, Mac had no new viruses last year made for a Mac. Thats because no-one made any new SOFTWARE for a Mac either!

If you want to come here and talk about the technology of Blu-Ray, thats fine. But don't come in here acting 'holier than thou' and spouting off about a Mac. This is a Blu-Ray forum, not a Mac VS PC forum.

FATALITY.

We empathize with you in your PC using sins, now go ahead and recite some hail Mary's and purchase some Rosary beads and all will be forgiven.

Relax dude, I believe the topic was started regarding internal laptop drives so if people want to talk about possible Blu-ray laptop drive offerings from Apple, they should feel free. Or from Dell, or from HP, Panasonic, Sony, etc.

Apple had nothing to do with the creation of Blu Ray. Those words should not be utterered again unless in jest.

True, they did not develop or create Blu-ray, but they will indeed be supporting it.

Of course when OS X 10.4 Tiger shipped iHD the interactive layer for HD DVD wasn't ready nor were computer drives. I expect Apple to add hooks into the OS for both in the next version.

I can't help but think that your expectation is so very unrealistic. But, with all things HD DVD, it seems an inherited trait. Keep hoping.

[The Cyndicate]

OF COURSE they will support it! They are being FORCED!
LMAO, Apple AGAIN chose a failing technology in HD-DVD.

Just for your info, I have an os 10 powered mac, and I havent touched it in a long time, its a POS.

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by The Cyndicate

OF COURSE they will support it! They are being FORCED!
LMAO, Apple AGAIN chose a failing technology in HD-DVD.

Just for your info, I have an os 10 powered mac, and I havent touched it in a long time, its a POS.

Pure troll vomit.

[zombie]

Originally Posted by The Cyndicate

OF COURSE they will support it! They are being FORCED!
LMAO, Apple AGAIN chose a failing technology in HD-DVD.

Just for your info, I have an os 10 powered mac, and I havent touched it in a long time, its a POS.

We get that you aren't fond of Apple, can we please move on now?
Thank you!

[The Cyndicate]

And we get it, he isnt fond of PCs.
I get SICK of hearing that yuppie bullshit from Apple owners, when they KNOW they dont have any new software,a nd they have to use Windows emulators to have any fun. Hell the guy even says Apple help make Blu-Ray, HELL NO THEY DIDNT! They had stock in HD-DVD, NOT BLU_RAY! I hate the attitude. Like I said, this is a Blu-Ray forum. No the Mac is better then PC forum.

He shouldnt even be bringing mac up, unless he had a question like, "Does anyone know if they have tested Blu-Ray with Apple OS yet?"

Something like that. Either way, Its a personal problem I have when people always try to attach the newest coolest thing to themselves or something they own. Its annoying.