Fox sticks with DTS-HD - Blu-ray Forum

Jodi · 08-22-2007, 08:04 PM

Judging by the specs indicated on DVD Empire's website, coupled with a phone conversation I had with Fox this morning (Pacific time), Fox will be sticking with DTS-HD as it's premium audio codec.

In fact, we talked about "Edward Scissorhands", "Home of the Brave", "The Fly" (1986) and a few other Fox/MGM BD titles (in particular) that were announced earlier this week shortly after the Paramount shocker.
You will also notice on DVD Empire's website that most of the 29 BD titles announced by Fox sport the "HD Master Audio" logo on the lower right corner of each piece of cover art -- the exact same one on past Fox BD covers.

www.dvdempire.com

So DTS fans, like myself.....I think we can relax.

Jodi

WickyWoo · 08-22-2007, 08:08 PM

You should remember a lot of those titles were done a long time ago.

Wait for the specs on the NEW stuff before assuming anything

IamNhobdy · 08-22-2007, 08:33 PM

I'm all about the PCM, but DTSHDMA(wow that's a bunch of letters) is always my second choice...even though my home equiptment lacks the ability to fully enjoy either. Even regular ole DTS sounds better than Dolby in my personal and proffessional opinion.

gvortex7 · 08-22-2007, 08:41 PM

Just remember that DTS-HD and DTS-HD MA is not the same thing.

Here are the rough equivalents between DTS and DOLBY:

DTS-HD HIGH RESOLUTION AUDIO = DOLBY DIGITAL PLUS
DTS-HD MASTER AUDIO = DOLBY TRUEHD

DTS' bit rates are higher then DOLBY's that is why it is a rough equivalent.

KingDeezie · 08-22-2007, 08:48 PM

I don't think this is good news at all actually...

DTS-HD is still lossless and only carries something like 1.5 MB/Sec bitrate...

The Night at the Museum track was awful, please Fox do PCM....

Jodi · 08-22-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

You should remember a lot of those titles were done a long time ago.

Wait for the specs on the NEW stuff before assuming anything

A good 50% of the 29 announced BD releases are post-1993 theatrical releases, and they are listed as having the original DTS Digital Sound in their theatrical exhibitions.

Please check www.dtsonline.com, click "digital cinema", then click "theatrical title search". Look under Fox, Fox Atomic and Fox Searchlight on the studio drop-down list.

Jodi

milou6 · 08-22-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gvortex7

Just remember that DTS-HD and DTS-HD MA is not the same thing.

Here are the rough equivalents between DTS and DOLBY:

DTS-HD HIGH RESOLUTION AUDIO = DOLBY DIGITAL PLUS
DTS-HD MASTER AUDIO = DOLBY TRUEHD

DTS' bit rates are higher then DOLBY's that is why it is a rough equivalent.

True, but regular DTS can go as high as 1.5 m/s, which is higher than DD (640k) and as high as most DD+
And more importantly, DTS at 1.5 (which can also be extracted by all players from a DTS-HD or DTS-HDMA track) can be output via optical or coax for those of us with pre-hdmi receivers (or no 5.1 analog outs on our player, like my PS3).

gvortex7 · 08-22-2007, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingDeezie

I don't think this is good news at all actually...

DTS-HD is still lossless and only carries something like 1.5 MB/Sec bitrate...

The Night at the Museum track was awful, please Fox do PCM....

Actually DTS-HD has a bit rate of:

up to 3.0 Mbps for HD DVD
and up to 6.0 Mbps for Blu-ray

And zealots say HD DVD is technologically superior to Blu-ray. My a**!!!

WickyWoo · 08-22-2007, 09:11 PM

Quote:

A good 50% of the 29 announced BD releases are post-1993 theatrical releases, and they are listed as having the original DTS Digital Sound in their theatrical exhibitions.

And Dolby, and SDDS as well. Every movie done in the last decade has had all 3 for the most part.

PCM or TrueHD will be just as good. And since DTS Master is unlikely to be available standard in the affordable realm for quite some time, not the best idea to have as your only lossless codec

dobyblue · 08-22-2007, 09:20 PM

Sweet - Independence Day with DTS-MA.

Yummy!

dobyblue · 08-22-2007, 09:21 PM

Close Encounters will have DTS-MA as well.

(Spielberg!)

Look for DTS-MA on the PS3 before the end of Q1/08

Jodi · 08-22-2007, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

And Dolby, and SDDS as well. Every movie done in the last decade has had all 3 for the most part.

PCM or TrueHD will be just as good. And since DTS Master is unlikely to be available standard in the affordable realm for quite some time, not the best idea to have as your only lossless codec

Yes, very true about Dolby and SDDS.
I happen to like SDDS over Dolby as well. SDDS has a pretty natural sound, good bass, and is non-fatiguing physically (for me, anyway). DTS does not fatigue either. But Dolby ANYTHING (DD, the old Dolby Stereo, and DD Spectral Recording) causes me to have headaches -- cluster headaches at worst. And I have read about a number of other people over the years reporting similar physical effects. We think it's due to Dolby's accentuated high frequencies. It's pretty interesting stuff in both the medical and psychoacoustic realms.

Jodi

ryoohki · 08-22-2007, 11:23 PM

Ohly crap and back are the 39.99$ for catalog titles too... i guess all those transfert will be MPEG2 eithers

Teazle · 08-22-2007, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jodi

Yes, very true about Dolby and SDDS.
I happen to like SDDS over Dolby as well. SDDS has a pretty natural sound, good bass, and is non-fatiguing physically (for me, anyway). DTS does not fatigue either. But Dolby ANYTHING (DD, the old Dolby Stereo, and DD Spectral Recording) causes me to have headaches -- cluster headaches at worst. And I have read about a number of other people over the years reporting similar physical effects. We think it's due to Dolby's accentuated high frequencies. It's pretty interesting stuff in both the medical and psychoacoustic realms.

Jodi

Is it an option for you to use Dolby Headphone for those tracks? I've had excellent results with the JVC SU-DH1 -- greatly reduces listener fatigue. Or is it that you get these effects even playing DD through external speakers?

gvortex7 · 08-22-2007, 11:53 PM

It's too bad that Sony never had any intention of bringing SDDS into the home market. I really-really like its sound in the theater.

WriteSimply · 08-22-2007, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingDeezie

The Night at the Museum track was awful, please Fox do PCM....

If it was awful in DTS HDMA, it'll be awful in PCM. But I gather you meant that you heard it using the DTS core track.

New players will be either decoding DTS HDMA or bypassing it to a decoding receiver.

fuad

atdm71 · 08-23-2007, 12:14 AM

I'm lovin' what DTS did with DVD, so I'm quite happy to have DTS MA on all the Fox Blu-ray releases, and I'm sure you will be too...

Sir Terrence · 08-23-2007, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingDeezie

I don't think this is good news at all actually...

DTS-HD is still lossless and only carries something like 1.5 MB/Sec bitrate...

The Night at the Museum track was awful, please Fox do PCM....

Can't blame the Dts codec for that, the mix just wasn't that aggressive. It wasn't on the DVD either, its just wasn't a good mix IMPO

Jodi · 08-24-2007, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teazle

Is it an option for you to use Dolby Headphone for those tracks? I've had excellent results with the JVC SU-DH1 -- greatly reduces listener fatigue. Or is it that you get these effects even playing DD through external speakers?

A lot of my headaches would develop in the (Dolby equipped) movie theaters, actually.
I never tried the Dolby headphones. Just never got around to it.

Jodi

crackinhedz · 08-24-2007, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingDeezie

I don't think this is good news at all actually...

DTS-HD is still lossless and only carries something like 1.5 MB/Sec bitrate...

The Night at the Museum track was awful, please Fox do PCM....

Not Lossless. DTS-HD HR is "Lossy"

08-22-2007, 08:04 PM	#1
Jodi Power Member Member since:Jan 2006	Fox sticks with DTS-HD Judging by the specs indicated on DVD Empire's website, coupled with a phone conversation I had with Fox this morning (Pacific time), Fox will be sticking with DTS-HD as it's premium audio codec. In fact, we talked about "Edward Scissorhands", "Home of the Brave", "The Fly" (1986) and a few other Fox/MGM BD titles (in particular) that were announced earlier this week shortly after the Paramount shocker. You will also notice on DVD Empire's website that most of the 29 BD titles announced by Fox sport the "HD Master Audio" logo on the lower right corner of each piece of cover art -- the exact same one on past Fox BD covers. www.dvdempire.com So DTS fans, like myself.....I think we can relax. Jodi

08-22-2007, 11:53 PM	#15
gvortex7 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Fort Lauderdale, FL Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:105	It's too bad that Sony never had any intention of bringing SDDS into the home market. I really-really like its sound in the theater. Last edited by gvortex7; 08-23-2007 at 01:02 AM.

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08-22-2007, 08:08 PM	#2
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	You should remember a lot of those titles were done a long time ago. Wait for the specs on the NEW stuff before assuming anything

08-22-2007, 08:33 PM	#3
IamNhobdy Senior Member Member since:May 2007 Location:Earth..I think...no, wait yeah...I think Blu-ray collection:342	I'm all about the PCM, but DTSHDMA(wow that's a bunch of letters) is always my second choice...even though my home equiptment lacks the ability to fully enjoy either. Even regular ole DTS sounds better than Dolby in my personal and proffessional opinion.

08-22-2007, 08:41 PM	#4
gvortex7 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Fort Lauderdale, FL Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:105	Just remember that DTS-HD and DTS-HD MA is not the same thing. Here are the rough equivalents between DTS and DOLBY: DTS-HD HIGH RESOLUTION AUDIO = DOLBY DIGITAL PLUS DTS-HD MASTER AUDIO = DOLBY TRUEHD DTS' bit rates are higher then DOLBY's that is why it is a rough equivalent.

08-22-2007, 08:48 PM	#5
KingDeezie Active Member Member since:Mar 2007	I don't think this is good news at all actually... DTS-HD is still lossless and only carries something like 1.5 MB/Sec bitrate... The Night at the Museum track was awful, please Fox do PCM....

08-22-2007, 09:20 PM	#10
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	Sweet - Independence Day with DTS-MA. Yummy!

08-22-2007, 09:21 PM	#11
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	Close Encounters will have DTS-MA as well. (Spielberg!) Look for DTS-MA on the PS3 before the end of Q1/08

08-22-2007, 11:23 PM	#13
ryoohki Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Home Theater Gallery:6 Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:5	Ohly crap and back are the 39.99$ for catalog titles too... i guess all those transfert will be MPEG2 eithers

08-23-2007, 12:14 AM	#17
atdm71 Active Member Member since:May 2007 Blu-ray reviews:6	I'm lovin' what DTS did with DVD, so I'm quite happy to have DTS MA on all the Fox Blu-ray releases, and I'm sure you will be too...

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