Total HD: Good idea or bad idea? - Blu-ray Forum

Lord_Stewie · 08-23-2007, 11:36 PM

Hey guys,

just wondering what your stand point to total hd discs. would it be a good idea, or bad?

since paramount decided to join the other side, i bet more consumers would stand aside until one format wins the war. it isn't healthy for business, having more reasons for consumers to get confused. before paramount took a side, BD sales were excellent beating HD DVDs life support. now we don't know how things are going to turn out until paramount start releasing exclusively on HD DVD. with that being said can't BD and HDDVD coexist together the idea is possible, and there would be some benefits from it. for example:

1) you wouldn't have to worry about studio exclusivity issue anymore.
2) consumers wouldn't and shouldn't be confused, knowing that they don't have a adopt a certain format.

but then I don't know many negative aspects, but i do know for sure maybe that it could affect the capacity on BD. being that warner bros were able to develop a 25 gb side for both hd and bd. and also dealing with the stupid double sided discs.

with that being said i am interested to know where each individual on this forum stands.

ReduxInflux · 08-23-2007, 11:38 PM

terrible idea. promotes confusion and indecision at the price of quality.

IamNhobdy · 08-23-2007, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReduxInflux

terrible idea. promotes confusion and indecision at the price of quality.

bingo

Lord_Stewie · 08-23-2007, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReduxInflux

terrible idea. promotes confusion and indecision at the price of quality.

I thought so. the timing was bad to post, just heard the rumor that steve nickerson stepped down. hopefully warner becomes exclusive now to BD.

monkyman · 08-23-2007, 11:43 PM

Not total hd, if EVERY studio made HD-DVD and 50gb bluray discs it wouldn't bother me. We would get what we want and they would get what they want.
I don't care if they co-exsist, as long as I get all my movies on BD.

CAB · 08-23-2007, 11:46 PM

Would seem like higher licensing cost per disk, manufacturing risk, and the potential to get the crappy HD-DVD transfer duped to the superior BD side. I want my bit rate, less compression and the full 192Hz sampling rate for the audio. I also like my cases being Blu blue.

-CB

richteer · 08-23-2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ReduxInflux

terrible idea. promotes confusion and indecision at the price of quality.

What the man said. Plus, I happen to like silk screened art on my discs!

blublublu · 08-23-2007, 11:57 PM

It would be better than WB going HD DVD only, but otherwise "no thanks"

hyperdine · 08-24-2007, 12:43 AM

Sorry, THD is a bad idea. I don't want to have to compromise quality for convenience.

Chris Gerhard · 08-24-2007, 01:05 AM

Blu-ray on one side and HD DVD on the other is the stupidest idea yet with the next generation formats and I don't believe it will ever happen.

Chris

Deciazulado · 08-24-2007, 01:06 AM

there was a poll here, 85%+ voted no to THD

aristotles · 08-24-2007, 03:43 AM

No to THD. I don't want to pay more to subsidize HD DVD.

WickyWoo · 08-24-2007, 04:20 AM

All the expenses of dual support are still there. Authoring and compression.

It was always intended as a stopgap, and since they've coastering them by the pile with a BD-25 on one side, imagine a BD-50

Anthony P · 08-25-2007, 03:52 PM

I was a bit for it at the start (better then dual players) but the more I learnt about it the more I did not like it.

buckshot · 08-25-2007, 03:56 PM

and if you buy a combo player and a thd disc which side do you watch?

DrinkMore · 08-25-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by buckshot

and if you buy a combo player and a thd disc which side do you watch?

Toss it and whichever side lands in the player, you play

D1-2005 · 08-25-2007, 03:58 PM

I Think They A Bad Idea, From What I Heard You Can Only Fit A Single Layer On Each Side So You Lose That Advantage On Both Formats.

scott87 · 08-25-2007, 03:59 PM

i think its a bad idea

BStecke · 08-25-2007, 04:44 PM

I have no desire to see TotalHD take off. Superficially, I hate flipper discs. I like my artwork on my discs, and I hate having to read the tiny font on the ring to know what I'm watching. Granted, red on one side, blue on the other would take care of that but are the studios smart enough to do that?

Secondly, I want no part in helping the continuation of the format war. Imagine 300 as a combo disc. There would be no way to tell that Blu-ray outsold 300 2:1, and the studios just see the sales of TotalHD as being good and that's it.

Thirdly, The very existance of HD DVD is an excuse for studios to put out lower quality product. To optimize TotalHD for HD DVD and Blu-ray, they would have to do two separate encodes of audio and video, one for each format. Otherwise we face who knows how many more releases with quality that is sacrificed on Blu-ray for the lesser-quality of HD DVD.

TotalHD, overall, doesn't make sense, since all we'd really be left with in most cases, is probably an HD DVD on a Blu-ray disc, and that's FAR from what I want.

mikesoba · 08-25-2007, 05:15 PM

Hasn't Warner backed off this till the end of 2008 -- meaning "never"?

08-23-2007, 11:36 PM	#1
Lord_Stewie Blu-ray Baron Member since:May 2007 Blu-ray collection:396 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	Total HD: Good idea or bad idea? Hey guys, just wondering what your stand point to total hd discs. would it be a good idea, or bad? since paramount decided to join the other side, i bet more consumers would stand aside until one format wins the war. it isn't healthy for business, having more reasons for consumers to get confused. before paramount took a side, BD sales were excellent beating HD DVDs life support. now we don't know how things are going to turn out until paramount start releasing exclusively on HD DVD. with that being said can't BD and HDDVD coexist together the idea is possible, and there would be some benefits from it. for example: 1) you wouldn't have to worry about studio exclusivity issue anymore. 2) consumers wouldn't and shouldn't be confused, knowing that they don't have a adopt a certain format. but then I don't know many negative aspects, but i do know for sure maybe that it could affect the capacity on BD. being that warner bros were able to develop a 25 gb side for both hd and bd. and also dealing with the stupid double sided discs. with that being said i am interested to know where each individual on this forum stands.

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08-23-2007, 11:38 PM	#2
ReduxInflux Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:orange county, ca Blu-ray reviews:22 Trading Score:3	terrible idea. promotes confusion and indecision at the price of quality.

08-23-2007, 11:43 PM	#5
monkyman Special Member Member since:Jun 2007	Not total hd, if EVERY studio made HD-DVD and 50gb bluray discs it wouldn't bother me. We would get what we want and they would get what they want. I don't care if they co-exsist, as long as I get all my movies on BD.

08-23-2007, 11:46 PM	#6
CAB Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2007 Location:::1 4K collection:88 Blu-ray collection:1827 Trading Score:4	Would seem like higher licensing cost per disk, manufacturing risk, and the potential to get the crappy HD-DVD transfer duped to the superior BD side. I want my bit rate, less compression and the full 192Hz sampling rate for the audio. I also like my cases being Blu blue. -CB

08-23-2007, 11:57 PM	#8
blublublu Banned Member since:Jan 2007	It would be better than WB going HD DVD only, but otherwise "no thanks"

08-24-2007, 12:43 AM	#9
hyperdine Senior Member Member since:Sep 2006	Sorry, THD is a bad idea. I don't want to have to compromise quality for convenience.

08-24-2007, 01:05 AM	#10
Chris Gerhard Banned Member since:Feb 2007	Blu-ray on one side and HD DVD on the other is the stupidest idea yet with the next generation formats and I don't believe it will ever happen. Chris

08-24-2007, 01:06 AM	#11
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1159 Blu-ray collection:7041 DVD collection:4040	there was a poll here, 85%+ voted no to THD

08-24-2007, 03:43 AM	#12
aristotles Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Canada Blu-ray collection:401 Blu-ray reviews:1	No to THD. I don't want to pay more to subsidize HD DVD.

08-24-2007, 04:20 AM	#13
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	All the expenses of dual support are still there. Authoring and compression. It was always intended as a stopgap, and since they've coastering them by the pile with a BD-25 on one side, imagine a BD-50

08-25-2007, 03:52 PM	#14
Anthony P Blu-ray Count Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Montreal, Canada	I was a bit for it at the start (better then dual players) but the more I learnt about it the more I did not like it.

08-25-2007, 03:56 PM	#15
buckshot Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2007 Location:san die ego Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:9	and if you buy a combo player and a thd disc which side do you watch?

08-25-2007, 03:58 PM	#17
D1-2005 Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Kansas City Home Theater Gallery:12 4K collection:20 Blu-ray collection:298	I Think They A Bad Idea, From What I Heard You Can Only Fit A Single Layer On Each Side So You Lose That Advantage On Both Formats.

08-25-2007, 03:59 PM	#18
scott87 Special Member Member since:May 2007 Location:England 4K collection:278 Blu-ray collection:435 DVD collection:26 Blu-ray reviews:3	i think its a bad idea

08-25-2007, 04:44 PM	#19
BStecke Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2007 4K collection:182 Blu-ray collection:567 DVD collection:1 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:6	I have no desire to see TotalHD take off. Superficially, I hate flipper discs. I like my artwork on my discs, and I hate having to read the tiny font on the ring to know what I'm watching. Granted, red on one side, blue on the other would take care of that but are the studios smart enough to do that? Secondly, I want no part in helping the continuation of the format war. Imagine 300 as a combo disc. There would be no way to tell that Blu-ray outsold 300 2:1, and the studios just see the sales of TotalHD as being good and that's it. Thirdly, The very existance of HD DVD is an excuse for studios to put out lower quality product. To optimize TotalHD for HD DVD and Blu-ray, they would have to do two separate encodes of audio and video, one for each format. Otherwise we face who knows how many more releases with quality that is sacrificed on Blu-ray for the lesser-quality of HD DVD. TotalHD, overall, doesn't make sense, since all we'd really be left with in most cases, is probably an HD DVD on a Blu-ray disc, and that's FAR from what I want.

08-25-2007, 05:15 PM	#20
mikesoba Active Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:South Bay, California Blu-ray collection:258	Hasn't Warner backed off this till the end of 2008 -- meaning "never"?

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