Back off the fence; born-again Blu - Blu-ray Forum

jedisinclair · 09-08-2007, 02:10 PM

I was wrong... see my last post in the thread...

Teazle · 09-08-2007, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedisinclair

OK... first of all let me say thanks to everyone here who, with their intelligent, fact giving methods showed me Blu-ray was "The way". I bought a PS3 and about 45 BD movies and was so sure Blu-ray was the way to go. I'm not saying it's not, I just can't believe what happened with Paramount. I was SOOOooooo looking forward to Transformers on Blu-ray. I sold my PS3. I sold all my Blu-ray movies and now I'm gonna wait. I want to be an early adopter and I know a lot of you will say "support the war by buying Blu-ray movies"... but WHAT IF... I really fear that an elongated war will kill both formats. I still am pulling for Blu... just not with money I can't afford to burn. Things are too wishy washy and I don't have the patience. When Blu-ray wins, I'll probably buy a couple hundred movies on the day I know the war is over... but until then, I'm back on the fence.

No worries. In a few months you can just buy another PS3 and rebuy all those movies. Everything will still be supported.

Terjyn · 09-08-2007, 02:20 PM

A single bad announcement after months and months of pro BDA stuff caused you to pull your support, to the extent you sold your entire collection?

If so, you weren't really with Blu-Ray anyway, you are a bandwagonner.

j_rocca42 · 09-08-2007, 02:21 PM

Grow some huevos man...

reiella · 09-08-2007, 02:22 PM

That's your choice,

obviously.

Only thing I'd like to chime in with, is if you don't have to sell all the back, well. Even if the 'format fails', you still have the earlier titles you bought.

Smackos · 09-08-2007, 02:27 PM

Mate, in all honesty I could'nt sell up now even if I wanted to. I just could'nt go back to watching standard dvd's anymore I really can't. Especially my favourites that I've built up now in Blu-ray. I'd cry if I had to watch things like Apocalypto again on DVD now knowing what I had before. Even if both formats go tits up then I'll never get rid of my collection now.

It's always each to they're own don't get me wrong but for me I'd rather have someone I know go dual format than give up totally on Blu-ray. At the end of the day sales count, if you spend the odd bit on HD DVD so what, we all know that the majority of your money'll still go towards Blu product and in my eyes it's better Sony and co get SOME money from you for Blu-ray than none whatsoever. I know this is blu-ray.com but is'nt it true.. really.. 2nd best or not I could'nt go back to DVD even if it mean't going dual format in time.

Good luck to you though mate.. hope it all works out for you ...

glenn22 · 09-08-2007, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedisinclair

OK... first of all let me say thanks to everyone here who, with their intelligent, fact giving methods showed me Blu-ray was "The way". I bought a PS3 and about 45 BD movies and was so sure Blu-ray was the way to go. I'm not saying it's not, I just can't believe what happened with Paramount. I was SOOOooooo looking forward to Transformers on Blu-ray. I sold my PS3. I sold all my Blu-ray movies and now I'm gonna wait. I want to be an early adopter and I know a lot of you will say "support the war by buying Blu-ray movies"... but WHAT IF... I really fear that an elongated war will kill both formats. I still am pulling for Blu... just not with money I can't afford to burn. Things are too wishy washy and I don't have the patience. When Blu-ray wins, I'll probably buy a couple hundred movies on the day I know the war is over... but until then, I'm back on the fence.

I get the impression that your choice has more to it than just the paramount deal. Sounds like you might be going through some financial hard times? Anyways, the facts are that the Paramount deal has barely affected Blu-ray's momentum.

The sales figures since the deal are 56% Blu to 44% HD-DVD, which is down from 68% Blu to 32% HD-DVD... that would seem like a bad thing if it weren't for the fact that during the most recent sales week, Heroes and Blades of Glory came out for HD-DVD and what came out for Blu-ray??? nothing. Any yet we STILL had more sales than the HD-DVD camp.... I'd go so far as to say that in the next few weeks the ratio will be closer to 70/30 and maybe even 75/25.... Blu-ray standalone players are selling more now than HD-DVD, even with the higher price tag! Blu-ray is stronger than ever, paramount hasn't changed much.

MrBogey · 09-08-2007, 03:32 PM

You spent $2000 on a whim and you don't have money to burn?

That doesn't make sense. This isn't like stock investing where getting in early makes you money. Do you expect whatever format wins will net you a return on investment? I don't get it. Seriously, I really don't get how selling off 45 BD-ROMs and a PS3 because you don't think the format will win outright makes sense. It's just crazy and shortsighted.

damandan05 · 09-08-2007, 03:37 PM

wow you sold your ps3 man your missing out this winter... sucks. See ya again soon my friend, you'll be back.

Even IF Hd won it's not like you wont be able to watch the movies you already purchased, patially why i dont understand why you would get rid of everything. Still come and visit us we'll be right here.

MacHaggis · 09-08-2007, 03:37 PM

Interesting you should backtrack due to the Paramount/Dream Works decision.

That is the reason I actually joined the Blu-ray group, buying some hardware and movies a few months earlier than I originally planned.

Esox50 · 09-08-2007, 03:40 PM

I could potentially see slowing down purchases of software if someone is "worried" about the format war. But selling off a PS3 and 45 BDs, both of which are already a sunk cost, makes no sense to me...

erowe83 · 09-08-2007, 03:41 PM

You are crazy man. thats all i got.

glenn22 · 09-08-2007, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacHaggis

Interesting you should backtrack due to the Paramount/Dream Works decision.

That is the reason I actually joined the Blu-ray group, buying some hardware and movies a few months earlier than I originally planned.

Can you explain that? I am interested to hear how that made you go Blu.

ClaytonMG · 09-08-2007, 03:42 PM

.... wait... you had 45 titles on Blu-Ray and a PS3... and instead of keeping those for the time being and not buying any more titles, you sold them? No comment on this one... I don't want to sound to mean.

Razzy · 09-08-2007, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terjyn

A single bad announcement after months and months of pro BDA stuff caused you to pull your support, to the extent you sold your entire collection?

If so, you weren't really with Blu-Ray anyway, you are a bandwagonner.

This is why he's back on the fence:

Just couldn't resist could he?

powerSURG · 09-08-2007, 03:48 PM

All I have to say is, Character. Some of us are strong and others are just weak and afraid. It's ok to be scared, for those of us with courage, FIGHT ON!!!

edit: ^^^LMAO

Gremal · 09-08-2007, 03:55 PM

this kind of thing happens in early adoption. Some people just aren't cut out to be early adopters. Heck, after SACD didn't catch on with the major record labels the way I'd hoped, I swore I would never again be an early adopter. Yet one year into this new format war, here I am. Blu-ray may win or it may lose (I don't see that as long as optical discs are marketed), but like SACD it will always be alive and well in my house.

bootman · 09-08-2007, 04:04 PM

It could just be he was in a financial bind at the moment and this was just the rational needed to back out and recoup some money.
We have all been in a tight situation when it comes to money.
You have to cut back somewhere, this was his cut.
When things get better for him he may jump back in.

JTK · 09-08-2007, 04:05 PM

I really don't understand coming off of blowouts like IFA and CEDIA and having enough FUD to be "back on the fence."

aristotles · 09-08-2007, 04:10 PM

I don't understand your reasoning. Blu-ray still has the majority of big name studio support. As a reluctant owner of both formats (prefer blu-ray), the other side is going nowhere fast and I believe last weeks results were an anomaly caused by HD DVD fanboys buying movies that suck.

Blades of Glory sucked as a movie and I only saw it because I was on a transatlantic flight with a common movie screen.

Why lose money on pulling out by selling your stuff at a loss when Hitachi's Blu-ray recorder camcorders are coming out in a month to North America for around the same price as HDV camcorders?

HD DVD is effectively a read only format while Blu-ray has all the advantages of DVD plus greater resolution and capacity.

The format war is over and when these camcorders hit the streets, people are going to start buying into blu-ray on mass.

09-08-2007, 02:10 PM	#1
jedisinclair Senior Member Member since:Nov 2006 Blu-ray collection:42 Trading Score:3	Back off the fence; born-again Blu I was wrong... see my last post in the thread... Last edited by jedisinclair; 09-08-2007 at 06:48 PM.

09-08-2007, 02:27 PM	#6
Smackos Senior Member Member since:Jun 2007 Blu-ray collection:149 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:8	Mate, in all honesty I could'nt sell up now even if I wanted to. I just could'nt go back to watching standard dvd's anymore I really can't. Especially my favourites that I've built up now in Blu-ray. I'd cry if I had to watch things like Apocalypto again on DVD now knowing what I had before. Even if both formats go tits up then I'll never get rid of my collection now. It's always each to they're own don't get me wrong but for me I'd rather have someone I know go dual format than give up totally on Blu-ray. At the end of the day sales count, if you spend the odd bit on HD DVD so what, we all know that the majority of your money'll still go towards Blu product and in my eyes it's better Sony and co get SOME money from you for Blu-ray than none whatsoever. I know this is blu-ray.com but is'nt it true.. really.. 2nd best or not I could'nt go back to DVD even if it mean't going dual format in time. Good luck to you though mate.. hope it all works out for you ... Last edited by Smackos; 09-08-2007 at 02:31 PM.

09-08-2007, 04:10 PM	#20
aristotles Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Canada Blu-ray collection:401 Blu-ray reviews:1	I don't understand your reasoning. Blu-ray still has the majority of big name studio support. As a reluctant owner of both formats (prefer blu-ray), the other side is going nowhere fast and I believe last weeks results were an anomaly caused by HD DVD fanboys buying movies that suck. Blades of Glory sucked as a movie and I only saw it because I was on a transatlantic flight with a common movie screen. Why lose money on pulling out by selling your stuff at a loss when Hitachi's Blu-ray recorder camcorders are coming out in a month to North America for around the same price as HDV camcorders? HD DVD is effectively a read only format while Blu-ray has all the advantages of DVD plus greater resolution and capacity. The format war is over and when these camcorders hit the streets, people are going to start buying into blu-ray on mass. Last edited by aristotles; 09-08-2007 at 04:12 PM.

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09-08-2007, 02:20 PM	#3
Terjyn Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:122	A single bad announcement after months and months of pro BDA stuff caused you to pull your support, to the extent you sold your entire collection? If so, you weren't really with Blu-Ray anyway, you are a bandwagonner.

09-08-2007, 02:21 PM	#4
j_rocca42 Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Recording live from somewhere Blu-ray reviews:17 Trading Score:13	Grow some huevos man...

09-08-2007, 02:22 PM	#5
reiella Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Home Theater Gallery:1 Blu-ray collection:237 DVD collection:1	That's your choice, obviously. Only thing I'd like to chime in with, is if you don't have to sell all the back, well. Even if the 'format fails', you still have the earlier titles you bought.

09-08-2007, 03:32 PM	#8
MrBogey Expert Member Member since:Jan 2007	You spent $2000 on a whim and you don't have money to burn? That doesn't make sense. This isn't like stock investing where getting in early makes you money. Do you expect whatever format wins will net you a return on investment? I don't get it. Seriously, I really don't get how selling off 45 BD-ROMs and a PS3 because you don't think the format will win outright makes sense. It's just crazy and shortsighted.

09-08-2007, 03:37 PM	#9
damandan05 Active Member Member since:Apr 2007	wow you sold your ps3 man your missing out this winter... sucks. See ya again soon my friend, you'll be back. Even IF Hd won it's not like you wont be able to watch the movies you already purchased, patially why i dont understand why you would get rid of everything. Still come and visit us we'll be right here.

09-08-2007, 03:37 PM	#10
MacHaggis Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Burbank, CA Blu-ray collection:102	Interesting you should backtrack due to the Paramount/Dream Works decision. That is the reason I actually joined the Blu-ray group, buying some hardware and movies a few months earlier than I originally planned.

09-08-2007, 03:40 PM	#11
Esox50 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 4K collection:416 Blu-ray collection:488	I could potentially see slowing down purchases of software if someone is "worried" about the format war. But selling off a PS3 and 45 BDs, both of which are already a sunk cost, makes no sense to me...

09-08-2007, 03:41 PM	#12
erowe83 Senior Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Los Angeles, CA Blu-ray reviews:1	You are crazy man. thats all i got.

09-08-2007, 03:42 PM	#14
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:833 Blu-ray collection:2370 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	.... wait... you had 45 titles on Blu-Ray and a PS3... and instead of keeping those for the time being and not buying any more titles, you sold them? No comment on this one... I don't want to sound to mean.

09-08-2007, 03:48 PM	#16
powerSURG Active Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Shaw AFB, SC Blu-ray collection:42	All I have to say is, Character. Some of us are strong and others are just weak and afraid. It's ok to be scared, for those of us with courage, FIGHT ON!!! edit: ^^^LMAO

09-08-2007, 03:55 PM	#17
Gremal Blu-ray Samurai Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Daddyland Home Theater Gallery:49 Blu-ray collection:184	this kind of thing happens in early adoption. Some people just aren't cut out to be early adopters. Heck, after SACD didn't catch on with the major record labels the way I'd hoped, I swore I would never again be an early adopter. Yet one year into this new format war, here I am. Blu-ray may win or it may lose (I don't see that as long as optical discs are marketed), but like SACD it will always be alive and well in my house.

09-08-2007, 04:04 PM	#18
bootman Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:The Burghs	It could just be he was in a financial bind at the moment and this was just the rational needed to back out and recoup some money. We have all been in a tight situation when it comes to money. You have to cut back somewhere, this was his cut. When things get better for him he may jump back in.

09-08-2007, 04:05 PM	#19
JTK Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2006 Location:www.blurayoasis.com	I really don't understand coming off of blowouts like IFA and CEDIA and having enough FUD to be "back on the fence."

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