The new Sony Bravia X-series, really 1080P?

[mainman]

Does the new Sony Bravia X-series 1080P tv's use the wobulation technique?
Does it actually have 2 million plus pixels, natively?
Is it acually full 1080 P, without bullsh*t?

Thanks

[hmurchison]

Wobulation is only in DLP sets. The Bravia is LCD so you're talking about full pixels here.

[DSET]

did they say what size's theyre launching the X-Series in?

[cmykrgb]

The X-Series in Japan (40" and 46") launched in November, 2005. Based on the specs on the Sony Japan site, it is only 1080i.

Since there wasn't much sign of it coming to the US anytime soon, I ended up getting the 40" V Series instead. For me, it wasn't a 720p vs. 1080i decision. The 46" option for the 1080i is what I was interested in.

Honestly, I have not looked around since, so I could be wrong about the US one, if they did announce it.

[Seastrand]

Originally Posted by mainman

Does the new Sony Bravia X-series 1080P tv's use the wobulation technique?
Does it actually have 2 million plus pixels, natively?
Is it acually full 1080 P, without bullsh*t?

Thanks

What's BS about wobulation? You're still getting true 1080P on the screen.

[phloyd]

I heard that there are certain patterns that the wobulation cannot recreate - can anyone confirm this as fact?

Of course it may be only pertinent to people who like to watch patterns ... though it could also affect the rendering of details like fabric in real video....

[KC-Technerd]

Can someone explain exactly what "wobulation" is?

I've seen an effect on DLP 1080p sets that's somewhat similar to that of interlacing. While interlacing creates the appearance of everyother scan line being black while following motion up or down the screen, this appears as ever other pixel being black in a checkerboard pattern, and is visible with movement in various directions. Is this what "wobulation" is, or is it an effect of "wobulation"?

I have seen this same effect on a direct view LCD 1080p set from Westinghouse.

[zombie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wobulation

[KC-Technerd]

Sounds as if wobulation could be the culprit for the effects I'm seeing.

[Blackraven]

I've read from the thread at AVS forums and yes, they are going to release the Bravia X series and the next-gen V series overseas.

Second-gen V series:

KDL-32V2000
KDL-40V2000
KDL-46V2000

Then here's the upcoming model number(s) for the X series for US/Canada peeps:

KDL-40XBR2
KDL-46XBR2
KDL-52XBR2

For the second generation BRAVIA models:

X series = 1080p panel, full max resolution of 1080 p native
V series = 1080p panel, native resolution is only 1080 interlaced but is "1080 p ready"
S series = 1080 i max res. no WCG-CCFL backlighting.

Compared to the first gen models, all second-gen models use "BRAVIA engine."

[mainman]

The Bravia X-series tv that I was talking about is the Sony BRAVIA KDL-46X2000, available in Europe since May 2006. It is about 5000 euro's. It is 46", not that I will buy a 46" tv, I want to buy a tv from this X-series, but a 26" version when it comes out.

[mainman]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

I've read from the thread at AVS forums and yes, they are going to release the Bravia X series and the next-gen V series overseas.

Second-gen V series:

KDL-32V2000
KDL-40V2000
KDL-46V2000

Then here's the upcoming model number(s) for the X series for US/Canada peeps:

KDL-40XBR2
KDL-46XBR2
KDL-52XBR2

For the second generation BRAVIA models:

X series = 1080p panel, full max resolution of 1080 p native
V series = 1080p panel, native resolution is only 1080 interlaced but is "1080 p ready"
S series = 1080 i max res. no WCG-CCFL backlighting.

Compared to the first gen models, all second-gen models use "BRAVIA engine."

I know a 1080 p native is 1920-1080.
But panel with native resolution which is only 1080 interlaced but is "1080 p ready", what does that mean, that it is 960-1080 or something?
What is exactly the difference between these two?

A TV with 1300:1 contrast, is this good.
8ms responsetime, what is the lowest response time ever on a (LCD)TV?

Thanks

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by mainman

I know a 1080 p native is 1920-1080.
But panel with native resolution which is only 1080 interlaced but is "1080 p ready", what does that mean, that it is 960-1080 or something?
What is exactly the difference between these two?

A TV with 1300:1 contrast, is this good.
8ms responsetime, what is the lowest response time ever on a (LCD)TV?

Thanks

1080i, as well as 1080p, shows 1080 total lines (each individual line is horizontal but the 1080 lines are "stacked" vertically top to bottom on the screen) in a frame and also 1920 pixels horizontally in each line.

For 1080i the " i " means that there are two interlaced fields to make up the full frame. There the first field in the frame does line one, three, five, seven, etc. ending with line 1079. Then it starts over with the second field at two, four, six, eight, etc. ending with line 1080. Thus it takes two fields to make up the full image (or frame).

For 1080p the " p " means that the etire frame is created out of a progressive scan. This means it goes through lines one then two then three then four then five, etc. never skipping any lines in the process.

I've mentioned elsewhere in these boards my opinion on p versus i. I won't repeat it here.

There has been an on going debate as to what the minimum contrast ratio is to be acceptable to most people. Similar to the p versus i issue, acceptable contrast ratio comes down to what you are watching (certainly watching "Sin City" requires a different contrast ratio to be tollerable to view than watching reruns of "M*A*S*H") and the lighting of the room in which you have the set (a brighter room may need higher a contrast ratio than a dimmer room for some people's taste). That said, a contrast ratio of 1300:1 for a LCD would not be considered bad by many people, but compare that with a plasma display which might have a contrast ratio of better than 3,000:1. The best thing is to just view it yourself with pictures you might watch and in lighting conditions you will probably have.

With regard to response time, I've also gone into that in gory detail in other places in this board. Suffice it to say there is no such thing as "lowest response time ever" as there is no standard as to how to measure response time. Every manufacturer choses its own way of giving the number. Some give response times as the time to switch from full on to full off. Other manufacturers give a "gray-to-gray" response time (which could be going from a 200 to 201 gray level [assuming the full range of 0-255]) which would give a very different full on to full off number. The fastest I've heard/read for full on to full off is 12 milliseconds and the fastest gray-to-gray is/was 1 millisecond, but the two are not directly comparable as turning on and off pixels is not a linear function.

[mainman]

Ok, I understand what you are trying to say, but one question keeps coming up in my head.

A 1080i TV which is 1080p ready
and
A 1080p native TV.

What is exactly the difference between the two? Does the 1080i tv reproduce an 'artificial' 1080p screen or something?

Thanks

[DSET]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...031421-8858035

The
KDL-32V2000
KDL-40V2000
KDL-46V2000
All have 1366 x 768 resolutions
So obviously it does not have true 1080p
I only found a few sites that said 480p\480i 720p 1080i compatible

I don’t know does this thing have a 1080p up converter is that what they\you mean by:
""V series = 1080p panel, native resolution is only 1080 interlaced but is "1080 p ready"

[erdega79]

http://www.hardwarezone.com/news/view.php?id=4669&cid=6

LOS ANGELES, June 1 -- Sony Electronics today announced an expansion of its acclaimed BRAVIA flat-panel LCD television line, including several new models with native 1920 x 1080 full high-definition resolution panels and HDMI inputs with 1080p capability.

The line features six new models in 40- and 46-inch screen sizes and a 32-inch set featuring 1366 x 768 (WXGA) screen resolution.

"Our BRAVIA LCD HDTV's offer superior picture quality and unlock the power of the high-definition experience with more than five times the number of pixels compared to enhanced-definition plasma televisions. Paired with our forthcoming Blu-ray Disc player, consumers will see a level of high-definition video unmatched in the home theater," said Randy Waynick, senior vice president of the Sony Electronics' Home Products Division.

Stunning picture quality is not the only feature that sets the BRAVIA line apart. The new XBR models feature an elegant floating glass design that is sure to inspire novice interior decorators to rethink the modern home.

"BRAVIA TV's were designed with the critical eye in mind," Waynick added. "The art of building a television is not limited to the components inside but also the aesthetic beauty that completes the package as these new models attest."

BRAVIA XBR Series

At the top of the new line is the XBR3 series including the 46-inch KDL-46XBR3 and 40-inch KDL-40XBR3. With native 1920 x 1080 panel resolution and three HDMI inputs with 1080p capability, the sets are compatible with full high-definition signal sources, such as Sony's BDP-S1 Blu-ray Disc player, which is targeted for shipment to retail late this summer.

With the ability to display full high-definition resolution and rich colorful images, even non-1080p content -- from standard-definition to 1080i or 720p high-definition signals -- is at its best once it hits the screen. The new BRAVIA Engine Pro full digital high-definition video processor is Sony's latest and most advanced video processing system. Optimizing the video signal path, the system leverages a new version of Sony's Digital Reality Creation Multi Function Version Two Point Five (DRC-MFv2.5) with increased computing capabilities to process not only standard-definition signals, but also high-definition signals for a consistently crisp, detailed image.

The XBR models come with Sony's Live Color Creation technology, featuring Wide Color Gamut Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamp (WCG-CCFL) backlight. WCG-CCFL's new phosphor spectrum allow for a wider, more realistic range of colors enhancing picture.

Framing that sharp, detailed picture is an elegant floating glass-encased, high gloss, piano black bezel with side speakers.

Rounding out the XBR3 series feature package is a built-in ATSC tuner, PC input, two high-definition component, one S-video and three composite inputs.

The KDL-46XBR3 and KDL-40XBR3 models will ship in September and be available for about $5,300 and $4,300, respectively.

In addition to the piano black XBR3 models, the new XBR2 BRAVIA models feature the same 1920 x 1080 screen resolution, BRAVIA Engine Pro, HDMI inputs with 1080p capability and elegant floating glass design. However, these two models -- the 46-inch KDL-46XBR2 and 40-inch KDL-40XBR2 -- feature a silver bezel that can be replaced by one of five different colored bezels for custom integration into any decor.

These models also feature the same audio package, built-in ATSC tuner, PC input, two high-definition component, one S-video and three composite inputs.

The KDL-46XBR2 and KDL-40XBR2 models will also ship in September. They will be available for about $5,000 and $4,000, respectively. The optional bezels come in five colors, including red, white, blue, black and brown. They will be available at authorized dealers, Sony Style stores and direct online at www.sonystyle.com

Rounding out the XBR2 line is the 32-inch KDL-V32XBR2 model featuring a 1366 x 768 screen resolution. It is equipped with Sony's BRAVIA Engine and Live Color Creation, which delivers a sharp and rich picture from standard definition sources as well as high-definition.

The set's narrow, two-tone black and silver bezel incorporates invisible bottom speakers with SRS TruSurroundXT and BBE Digital Enhancement technology.

Other features include a built-in ATSC tuner, single HDMI and PC inputs, as well as two high-definition component, two S-video and two composite inputs.

The KDL-V32XBR2 set ships in September and will be available for about $2,500.

BRAVIA V2500 Series

Next in the BRAVIA line is the V2500 series, including the 46-inch KDL-46V2500 and 40-inch KDL-40V2500. These 1920 x 1080 native high-definition resolution models are equipped with two HDMI inputs with 1080p capability and the BRAVIA Engine and Live Color Creation technologies.

The black bezel, V2500 models feature a space-saving bottom speaker design that helps the sets fit easily into existing AV cabinets.

Other features include a digital amplifier with SRS-TruSurround XT and BBE Digital Audio Enhancement technologies for high-quality sound, a PC input, two high-definition component, two S-video and two composite inputs.

The KDL-46V2500 and KDL-40V2500 models will ship in September for about $4,500 and $3,500, respectively.

All new BRAVIA televisions, including the previously announced S-series and U-series models, are available through sonystyle.com, at Sony Style retail stores (www.sonystyle.com/retail) and at authorized dealers nationwide. More information on the new line can be found by visiting www.sony.com/2006TV.

[mainman]

Damn man, I am looking for a 26" 1080p, and from the looks of it (the artikle above), the first 26" 1080p will appear in early 2007 at the nearest (from Sony at least).

I just cant wait anymore, but I have to, damn.

[AV_Integrated]

What are you viewing from... 3 feet?

A 1080p 40" display should be viewed from about 5 feet!

There are very few circumstances and environments which are setup properly where 1080p can be fully realized for the fully quality and potential it has. Mostly it is environments with televisions exceeding 50" and viewing distances following close to THX standards.

FYI: The KDL-46V2000 is listed as a 1366x768 LCD, not a 1920x1080 panel. I am not sure what resolutions it accepts, but it is not 1080p. It is 'HD ready' which means it has no internal HD tuner. No big deal, but if you are looking for 1080p, then it seems like that series may not be for you in the first place.

I would go with the 40" Westinghouse... or do the new Sharp models (37") also have 1080p support? 26" simply is rather silly if it isn't in your car.

[mainman]

"A 1080p 40" display should be viewed from about 5 feet."
That is the best way to view such a screen, but it doesn't say what kind of (unhealthy) effect it could have on the eyes, it only says that it is the best way to view from that distance.

My viewing distance is 2.5 meters maybe less, that should be around 8 feet, but I just don’t feel comfortable buying a bigger tv than 26" for this length, 32" is also acceptable, but I rather have 26". I am following my gut feeling about this one, and not what is commonly accepted.

And it happens a lot, that 1 day it is healthy to do something, and then some university proves that it is unhealthy to do this same thing.

[AV_Integrated]

Actually, universities have just shown that viewing TV to close has no effect on the human eye. Either way, you aren't viewing to close, you are viewing from the same distance either way. 2.5 meters with a 10 inch screen is 2.5 meters. 2.5 meters with a 10 foot screen is 2.5 meters. The proper viewing distance, as determined by ANSI and THX is a good way to make your decisions. At 2.5 meters you should actually be viewing a screen that is about 60 inches WIDE! 40" diagonal is well under the normal viewing size for your distance. This is obviously your choice, but if a professional were to come in and recommend a screen for you, at your viewing distance the number would NOT be 27" - but would likely be 50" - or more.

I recently installed a 42" plasma for someone viewing at about the same distance... Their first comment was 'WOW! That's big.' A week later I finished the installation and they commented on how suprised they were at how that size now seemed just right... perhaps they could have gone even larger.

If you feel that 40" is to big - you are wrong. Ideal size is larger than 40" and I would follow pro guidelines over my 'gut' any day of the week. I don't go with my 'gut' when I fill out my taxes - I let the pros do it. Likewise, it makes sense to follow the advice of pros when deciding on a home theater purchase.