The Cell production plant Sony sells off to Toshiba... not in the millions...

[joeorc]

its now according to this site in the billions 1.7

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7008549648

selling because of low demand..hmm i guess IBM,Toshiba and SONY know where they can sell those Chips.

[scott1256ca]

The following link provides a little more detail.
http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-...709170055.html

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by scott1256ca

The following link provides a little more detail.
http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-...709170055.html

thank's..though i do not agree with the term the article OP pointed as SLUGGISH playstation 3 sales.
I would hardly call selling 6 million systems world wide in less than 9 months sluggish.esp at $500.00 and $600.00 a system

[theknub]

and it was more than the 360 did in that frame of time

[dragons lair]

Originally Posted by joeorc

thank's..though i do not agree with the term the article OP pointed as SLUGGISH playstation 3 sales.
I would hardly call selling 6 million systems world wide in less than 9 months sluggish.esp at $500.00 and $600.00 a system

First off before anyone thinks I am putting the PS3 down I have two of them ( upstairs and downstairs) so I am not.

Now, the PS3 has not sold 6 million units, they are at about 4.63 million units sold based on the latest numbers at NPD.

The reason the press keeps saying sales are sluggish is because they are comparing it to the sales of the Wii (11.64 million units sold with no sign of it slowing down), and to a lessor degree the sales of the 360 which is still outselling the PS3, based on NPD sales numbers for August the PS3 sold 130,600 units, the 360 sold 276,700 units (Vgchartz had the PS3 higher at about 181,000 ), the Wii was over 400,000 units sold.

Now in July, the PS3 sold 197,135 units, about 50,000 more then the 360, but it dropped in August which I did not think would happen since the PS3 had Lair come out, I really thought Lair would spike some sales.

The bad news is Halo 3 at the end of this month, that will spike a lot of sales for the 360 up until X-Mas.( But I will wait for the PC version to come out next year ).

[WickyWoo]

The reason the press keeps saying sales are sluggish is because they are comparing it to the sales of the Wii (11.64 million units sold with no sign of it slowing down)

It'll slow down soon enough. As I predicted a year ago, Reggie has been saying an "unprecidented number" of Wiis available for Xmas

Right after Xbox and PS3 have major drops, all of asudden there's Wiis-a-plenty, just like 20 years ago with their cartridge "shortages". Artificial fads

half the people coming into the Gamestop "I just know I need a Wii, I don't know anything about it"

Shiny graphics+new lower prices+much better games for mainstream audiences=Nintendo back in the 20% hole where they belong.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by dragons lair

First off before anyone thinks I am putting the PS3 down I have two of them ( upstairs and downstairs) so I am not.

Now, the PS3 has not sold 6 million units, they are at about 4.63 million units sold based on the latest numbers at NPD.

The reason the press keeps saying sales are sluggish is because they are comparing it to the sales of the Wii (11.64 million units sold with no sign of it slowing down), and to a lessor degree the sales of the 360 which is still outselling the PS3, based on NPD sales numbers for August the PS3 sold 130,600 units, the 360 sold 276,700 units (Vgchartz had the PS3 higher at about 181,000 ), the Wii was over 400,000 units sold.

Now in July, the PS3 sold 197,135 units, about 50,000 more then the 360, but it dropped in August which I did not think would happen since the PS3 had Lair come out, I really thought Lair would spike some sales.

The bad news is Halo 3 at the end of this month, that will spike a lot of sales for the 360 up until X-Mas.( But I will wait for the PC version to come out next year ).

and i know where you QUOTE THAT 4.63 MILLION IS FROM VGA CHARTZ WHICH does not and i repeat VGAchartz do NOT have WORLD WIDE sales data. not only that and there is no way that they would have WORLD WIDE SALES DATA thay are just analysts in other words ..WE JUST MAKE A GUESS.....the reason I doubt THAT NUMBER FOR WORLD WIDE SALES LET ALONE SONY has went on the record to their share holders and stated 6 million WORLD WIDE. SEEING HOW there are (64) countries world wide that the playstation 3, playstation 2 ,psp ships to and sells through RETAIL. there is no way they IE: ANY ONE OUT SIDE OF SONY has all sales data WORLD WIDE sales number's. The only one's who have that DATA is Sony. and even their DATA is not 100% on the MONEY. THE REASON BEING the only #'S SONY has to go by is RESTOCK/REORDER through their entire retail CHAIN world wide.they have no way EVEN sony THEMSELVES does not know how many units sell through each and ever retail chain the only numbers is restock and reorder. when a reorder comes through they know the units went through the point of sale. but there are 64 countries world wide they would have to track for sell through retail.Do not get me wrong NPD GIVES a very good IDEA what sell numbers are like but even NPD does not include Wal-Mart in their Data. let alone other stores. even then its by what RETAIL chains are involved in North America. not the world

NPD is not world wide..SONY has stated the world wide install base for the playstation 3 is (6) million.
that was said to the press and share holders at the AU playstation event.

reported by GFK
About GfK

The GfK Group is the No. 5 market research organization worldwide. Its activities cover five business divisions Custom Research, Retail and Technology, Consumer Tracking, Media and HealthCare. The Group has 115 operational companies and a current total of approx. 8,400 employees who offer market research services for 90 countries.

just like NPD...this is what GFK does

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/808/808656p2.html

[What'sHD]

joeorc, as of last qtr, Sony had sold 4.28M to retailers (their financials). Typically, the sales to consumers are a bit less than sales to retail.

The 6M no. quoted was warehouse shipments (marketing message, thus the biggest possible no. was chosen I guess).

Btw, vgchartz is fairly accurate with their estimates. Example: http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=5078

So, if sales now are ~ 4.6M, sales to retail would be ~5.5M

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by What'sHD

joeorc, as of last qtr, Sony had sold 4.28M to retailers (their financials). Typically, the sales to consumers are a bit less than sales to retail.

The 6M no. quoted was warehouse shipments (marketing message, thus the biggest possible no. was chosen I guess).

Btw, vgchartz is fairly accurate with their estimates. Example: http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=5078

So, if sales now are ~ 4.6M, sales to retail would be ~5.5M

"Btw, vgchartz is fairly accurate with their estimates"

no they are not because they are missing QUITE a few COUNTRIES SALES DATA FOR WORLD WIDE SALES. THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT DATA there are (64 countries) world wide the playstation systems are shipped too. there is no Way out side of SONY themselves that they have that DATA. IF VGAchartz can prove me wrong i will gladly admit it. i once talked to a MEMBER of VGA chartz on this very Thing. and i told him/her the same thing on the playstation underground. and i have yet to be proven Wrong. this was back in JULY.

I DEAL WITH IT PARTS and RESTOCK in the IT field trust me i know what i am talking about. i deal with these types of thing's all the time. not only for the US but international.

this is not shipped number's this is installed base numbers last time i checked "installed base means sold to consumer".

sony last Quarter ended june 30th 2007

THATS THE POINT VGA charts do not count WORLD WIDE I WENT OVER THIS BEFORE LOOK AT THE slide SONY POSTED THIS IN FRONT OF THE MEDIA AND SHARHOLDERS.the number's they list in the install base is world wide as of the AU event took place at Australia, July 26, 2007 remember thats after a price drop. and the SONY's Quarter ended JUNE 30TH
SONY SHIPS TO (64) COUNTRIES WORLD WIDE..I TEND TO THINK SONY know's more on their world wide sales than VGAchartz the fact that Sony uses GFK which is a company like NPD shows there are more sales DATA that VGA chartz does not have ACCESS TOO.



LOOK AT THE LINK I POSTED ....THE SLIDE SAYS INSTALL BASE..."INSTALL BASE IS NOT SHIPPED" BECAUSE SONY shipped 6 million shortly after the end of march because they shipped 6 million in the supply chain as of APR 2007. ITS NOW SEPT.

[What'sHD]

I agree that Sony would know more, but vgc does extrapolate from the figures they have and as the link shows, they are in the ballpark.


Lets look at it this way. By June 30th, 4.28M had been sold to retail by Sony which means 'Installed Base' was less than 4.28M. (This figure comes from their qtrly report, so is as accurate as it can get.)

Thus, Sony is very unlikely to have sold 1.7M PS3s in 4 weeks, ie, by July 26th to retail... and even less likely to have sold more than 1.7M to customers.

I am a huge PS3 fan, I love my PS3 and I predict great things for it, but 6M sold to customer homes by July end is probably marketing spin. And hey, if 6M is true and PS3 sales are underreported even by Sony's financials, I would be rather happy.

[Neo65]

PS3 sold in reasonable numbers compared to previous record holders, but Wii is on a tear, and has broken all records for consoles.

One thing interesting is that in every single market, the PS2+PS3 combined outsells the X360+XBOX (no XBOX) combined, but the wii is outselling PS2+PS3 combined in most markets.

This says to me that there is still a very active SD gaming market and people are still buying more PS2s than PS3s on most weeks. Wii is an SD platform, with games that don't have that many triangles.

The PS3 is also kinda expensive. A price break would move more boxes this xmas.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by What'sHD

I agree that Sony would know more, but vgc does extrapolate from the figures they have and as the link shows, they are in the ballpark.


Lets look at it this way. By June 30th, 4.28M had been sold to retail by Sony which means 'Installed Base' was less than 4.28M. (This figure comes from their qtrly report, so is as accurate as it can get.)

Thus, Sony is very unlikely to have sold 1.7M PS3s in 4 weeks, ie, by July 26th to retail... and even less likely to have sold more than 1.7M to customers.

I am a huge PS3 fan, I love my PS3 and I predict great things for it, but 6M sold to customer homes by July end is probably marketing spin. And hey, if 6M is true and PS3 sales are underreported even by Sony's financials, I would be rather happy.

"I agree that Sony would know more, but vgc does extrapolate from the figures they have and as the link shows, they are in the ballpark."

BUT their Ballpark is NOT WORLD WIDE SALES and they cannot claim otherwise.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHY i do not QUOTE them on World Wide Sales DATA its something those ANALYSTS do not have. WHEN NPD released their new numbers recently VG chartz was way off of the playstation 3 sales data :

this is the claims that they say they have in VG chartz

In order to achieve this, VG Chartz collects and makes projections of sell-through data from retailers for a variety of different markets - Japan, US, Canada, UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy and many other smaller world markets. VG Charts has one primary concern with regard to data collection in this way and that is ensuring that the sample sizes used are significant enough to accurately represent the entire markets in which the samples are based. VG Chartz verifies the accuracy of sell-through data by comparing with manufacturer production and shipment data and also by comparing with competing sell-through services, if available. By constantly adjusting sell-through data and adopting a multifaceted approach, we can present information that is as unbiased, accurate and as complete as possible.

this is their claim...and i am calling them out on it.they have yet to prove me WRONG there is no way in hell and i mean no way in hell they have SONY's Sale through DATA for WORLD WIDE and their claim about being accurate is bogus for world wide sales and i am calling them out on it.If not even SONY can do world wide sale through data EVEN AFTER OVER 15 YEARS IN BUILDING THIS SUPPLY CHAIN. what make's people think VG chartz would have that Data and be more Accurate than SONY.

THE FACT THAT SONY has stated "INSTALL BASE" and in that slide is the number's for playstation 2,playstation portable "install base" you are not going to think the "install base" numbers SONY provided for the playstation 3 are not real also..?

remember thats 1.7 million /64 countries

that means in a region area per country in all of that countries retail chains in countries that are in SONY's retail chain in 4 weeks would have to sell (26,562.5) systems in 4 weeks per COUNTRY that means in the US the entire country...!...we all know even at the SO CALLED SUPER SLUGGISH TIMES the MEDIA was reporting that even MARCH and APR before the PS3 had a price drop both japan and US were selling 80,000 units a month thats according to famatsu and NPD.

27,000 systems in a month per 64 countries even in small countries its going to be in the multiple thousands. besides its now sept. anyway and for the last 2 months both JAPAN and US have sold in the 150,000+ range of PLAYSTATION 3 SALES

[joeorc]

"We're locked in a pretty good fight with Sony and (its) PlayStation 3 to win the generation. That's always been our aspiration," said Shane Kim, corporate vice president of Microsoft Game Studios. "This holiday season is critical in terms of winning that generation."

even:

Microsoft has sold 11.6 million Xbox 360 consoles worldwide compared with more than 6 million for Sony's comparable PS3.

For the prior generation of consoles, Microsoft sold 24 million Xboxes compared with 120 million for Sony's PlayStation 2.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...1-19752732.htm

[WickyWoo]

This says to me that there is still a very active SD gaming market and people are still buying more PS2s than PS3s on most weeks. Wii is an SD platform, with games that don't have that many triangles.

It has nothing to do with an "active SD gaming market"

Cheap price+Fad/Gimmick that's been marketed to non-gamers=console sales

Notice how it's always all about how many decks they've moved, and not software sales. I bet that if you looked at the actual units they've moved there, you'd see similar numbers to every other Nintendo launch year.

The vast majority of the "new" customers are buying it and playing Wii Sports and that's it.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

It has nothing to do with an "active SD gaming market"

Cheap price+Fad/Gimmick that's been marketed to non-gamers=console sales

Notice how it's always all about how many decks they've moved, and not software sales. I bet that if you looked at the actual units they've moved there, you'd see similar numbers to every other Nintendo launch year.

The vast majority of the "new" customers are buying it and playing Wii Sports and that's it.

exactly look at this:

Microsoft Targets Europe After Failing to Woo Gamers in Japan
Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Microsoft Corp. will target video gamers in Europe after failing to take advantage of a one-year head start on rival consoles from Sony Corp. and Nintendo Co. in Japan's $5.9 billion gaming market.

``The No. 1 objective is to win on a global basis and that may mean winning some markets and losing others,'' Aaron Greenberg, Microsoft's group product manager for the Xbox game console business, said in an interview at the Tokyo Game Show yesterday. ``Europe is our priority focus right now.''

The comments suggest the Xbox 360 maker may be running out of ideas to woo players in the world's second-largest gaming nation after the U.S. Even after cutting prices and increasing the number of local game titles, Microsoft's console is outsold by about eight to one by Nintendo's Wii and three to one by Sony's PlayStation 3 since the Japan launch in December 2005.

``It's difficult to see Microsoft capturing a significant share'' in Japan, said Hiroshi Kamide, a Tokyo-based games analyst at KBC Securities Japan. ``After two years on the market, Xbox's position in the country is such that it makes you wonder whether further efforts are even worth it.''

The European game software market was worth $7.8 billion in 2006, a 16 percent decline from a year earlier, as Sony delayed the release of PlayStation 3 there, according to Tokyo-based researcher Enterbrain Inc. The global game software market expanded 23 percent to about $24.7 billion in 2006, it said.

Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft last week said it plans to increase the number of game titles in Japan to 250 from 170 as of August. They include ``Halo 3,'' the latest Xbox-only installment of a biologically-engineered soldier's battle against an alien race, and ``Lost Odyssey,'' produced by ``Final Fantasy'' creator Hironobu Sakaguchi.

Difficulties in Japan

The company has faced difficulties in Japan before. The original Xbox console, released in 2003, was outsold 24-to-1 by Sony's PlayStation 2 and 6-to-1 by Nintendo's GameCube in Japan over four years because of a lack of game titles, according to Tokyo-based researcher Enterbrain Inc.

Microsoft has sold 446,201 Xbox 360s since 2005, accounting for 8.7 percent of the new consoles in Japan, as of Sept. 9, Enterbrain said. More than 3.49 million Wii and 1.17 million PlayStation 3 consoles were sold since their launch in late 2006.

Competition from the Wii and PlayStation 3 in the U.S. and European markets will make Japan a lower priority for Microsoft, Kamide said. The company sold 277,000 Xbox 360s in the U.S. last month, compared with 404,000 Wii players and 131,000 PS3s, according to researcher NPD Group Inc.

In August, Microsoft cut prices in the U.S. to compete with the $250 Wiis and $500 PlayStation 3s. The company also reduced the European retail price of some Xbox 360s by 50 euros to 350 euros ($495) last month.

Kyoto-based Nintendo has led global sales of the latest generation of home video game consoles by marketing the Wii's simpler games and a motion-sensor controller that can be swung like a tennis racquet or thrust like a sword.

To contact the reporter on this story: Pavel Alpeyev in Tokyo at palpeyev@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: September 21, 2007 03:09 EDT

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...ec&refer=japan

its software its always software. and being on a 10 year game support cycle helps.

[aygie]

It's now official

http://translate.google.com/translat...0/pr_j1801.htm

[Josh]

60/40 split between Toshiba and Sony. This must be part of the new CEOs plans to strengthen their AV profile.

[aygie]

Originally Posted by Josh

60/40 split between Toshiba and Sony. This must be part of the new CEOs plans to strengthen their AV profile.

does this mean your big-me-up when you put it in the news?

[Josh]

Originally Posted by Aygie

does this mean your big-me-up when you put it in the news?

Well, its not exactly Blu-ray news. It barely qualifies as PS3 news - and only because the PS3 uses that chip. I doubt this changes anything except gives Sony more capital.