Why in the hell would Microsoft support HD-DVD? - Blu-ray Forum

tron3 · 10-05-2007, 06:22 PM

Is this all because of their stupid compression software? Microsoft has a rich history of supporting ANYTHING. Doesn't matter if they thought it was the right thing for pc's or not, they would support it. In other cases, they bought out the company. The product usually lived on as their own, or quietly went away.

Why does the wealthiest "technology / software company" choose the lowest common denominator to succeed DVD? Sure, you can argue that a 30GB HD-DVD is fundamentally about the same PQ as a 50GB blu-ray, but the audio is NOT. Hence the extra space DOES make a difference.

Anyone have any firm answers and not just FUD-mising? Thanks.

bluflu · 10-05-2007, 06:24 PM

For the same reason Exxon would support electric cars.

SS316SRV · 10-05-2007, 06:24 PM

Because Microsoft wanted everybody to use HDi (their program). Sony said yes at first, then changed their mind and used Sun Microsystems for Java. Toshiba said that they would use the HDi software. Microsoft supports where ever their money is comming from.

Cyorg · 10-05-2007, 06:25 PM

Because Microsoft always supports crap.

SS316SRV · 10-05-2007, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tron3

Anyone have any firm answers and not just FUD-mising? Thanks.

See I gave you a good answer...

Quote:

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Because Microsoft wanted everybody to use HDi (their program). Sony said yes at first, then changed their mind and used Sun Microsystems for Java. Toshiba said that they would use the HDi software. Microsoft supports where ever their money is comming from.

Nevermind the other responses.

Slapper · 10-05-2007, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tron3

Is this all because of their stupid compression software? Microsoft has a rich history of supporting ANYTHING. Doesn't matter if they thought it was the right thing for pc's or not, they would support it. In other cases, they bought out the company. The product usually lived on as their own, or quietly went away.

Why does the wealthiest "technology / software company" choose the lowest common denominator to succeed DVD? Sure, you can argue that a 30GB HD-DVD is fundamentally about the same PQ as a 50GB blu-ray, but the audio is NOT. Hence the extra space DOES make a difference.

Anyone have any firm answers and not just FUD-mising? Thanks.

Because Microsoft owns HDi (or iHD - whatever they call it now) and that's what HD-DVD uses for most of it's interactivity/web features. Plus, Sony's PS3 is Blu-ray's flagship. If they were to support Blu-ray they would be showing support for the XBox 360s competition. It just looks bad.

tron3 · 10-05-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SS316SRV

See I gave you a good answer...

Nevermind the other responses.

Yes, it was a very good answer. Except, you didn't tell me what HDi was.

But I now see it was the MS version of Java, or something to that effect.

I also like the answer that MS always supports crap. I was thinking that but did not write it.

radagast · 10-05-2007, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tron3

Is this all because of their stupid compression software? Microsoft has a rich history of supporting ANYTHING. Doesn't matter if they thought it was the right thing for pc's or not, they would support it. In other cases, they bought out the company. The product usually lived on as their own, or quietly went away.

Why does the wealthiest "technology / software company" choose the lowest common denominator to succeed DVD? Sure, you can argue that a 30GB HD-DVD is fundamentally about the same PQ as a 50GB blu-ray, but the audio is NOT. Hence the extra space DOES make a difference.

Anyone have any firm answers and not just FUD-mising? Thanks.

MS supposedly would like to see HD content go completely downloadable so their software can once again rule all Middle Earth.

"One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them,
One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."

http://danny.oz.au/danny/humour/one-ring

bryaaaant · 10-05-2007, 06:38 PM

Because if they supported Blu-ray, it's basically supporting the PS3 as well - and that won't make sense since they have HUGE stakes at the Xbox 360's success.

Luis_A51 · 10-05-2007, 06:44 PM

Im pretty sure the number one reason is HDi. Because for HDi to work you basically need a windows computer. So each and every HDDVD player is a intel-based PC running windows. Thats why MS and Intel support HDDVD.

Xerious · 10-05-2007, 06:46 PM

HDi is propriotary software engineered by Microsoft
Java, well, it's Java, do with it what you will

we could very well say:
GO BLU & SUPPORT OPEN SOURCE

Sonny · 10-05-2007, 06:48 PM

because it a punch in the nose of sony .

& ya, they support crap as my fellow san antonian said

Blu-Ray Buckeye · 10-05-2007, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radagast

MS supposedly would like to see HD content go completely downloadable so their software can once again rule all Middle Earth.

"One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them,
One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."

http://danny.oz.au/danny/humour/one-ring

This is the best answer over the long-term. The HDi money stream is a much smaller issue and more short-term in nature.

Hayashi · 10-05-2007, 06:51 PM

http://roughlydrafted.com/RD/TechQ30...D-DVD_War.html

perfect explanation and apple backs Blu-ray. We all know that rivalry will never die.

tron3 · 10-05-2007, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xerious

HDi is propriotary software engineered by Microsoft
Java, well, it's Java, do with it what you will

we could very well say:
GO BLU & SUPPORT OPEN SOURCE

Dang, just when I think blu-ray can't get any better. Sony seems to have done everything right here. Pulled out all the stops and simply went with the best solution for everything. Not even NASA does that. They go with the cheapest supplier who remains within specs.

When this war is over, I definately will consider an updated Sony BDP.

nails · 10-05-2007, 06:58 PM

Well Microsoft obviously doesn't believe in their own technology, because they won't build an HD-DVD drive into the 360. I guess that makes it a 260.

Xerious · 10-05-2007, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nails

Well Microsoft obviously doesn't believe in their own technology, because they won't build an HD-DVD drive into the 360. I guess that makes it a 260.

HD DVD wasn't made available until the following summer. Adding HD DVD to the system would have driven the cost up and completely annihilate every "pro" it had going for it. For the most part, it served them well... but time is running short for DVD9

nails · 10-05-2007, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xerious

HD DVD wasn't made available until the following summer. Adding HD DVD to the system would have driven the cost up and completely annihilate every "pro" it had going for it. For the most part, it served them well... but time is running short for DVD9

So instead of finishing the system, they decided to release early so they could hold the market for a couple years till PS3 built up steam?

Xerious · 10-05-2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nails

So instead of finishing the system, they decided to release early so they could hold the market for a couple years till PS3 built up steam?

exactly. hence why there are so many problems with system stability. they are paying 1Billion out of pocket for their haste. they're also scrambling to rectify their mistakes with new skus adding features the ps3 already had (HDMI, 1080p, HD drive).

American mentality: Thirst for immediate gratification (this is why American gamers love FPS, shoot to kill, yay. This is why it takes an American martial arts student 3 years for a black belt)

Japanese/Asian mentality: Slow and steady, perfection comes with time (this is why Japanese people love RPGs. This is why it takes a Japanese martial arts student 10+ years for a black belt... who will kick more ass?)

Edit: Quinton Jackson, but shut up, it was analogy.

mystiksuicide · 10-05-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyorg

Because Microsoft always supports crap.

Bingo!!! Thats why I have Mac and Blu.

10-05-2007, 06:22 PM	#1
tron3 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2004 Location:New Jersey Blu-ray reviews:3	Why in the hell would Microsoft support HD-DVD? Is this all because of their stupid compression software? Microsoft has a rich history of supporting ANYTHING. Doesn't matter if they thought it was the right thing for pc's or not, they would support it. In other cases, they bought out the company. The product usually lived on as their own, or quietly went away. Why does the wealthiest "technology / software company" choose the lowest common denominator to succeed DVD? Sure, you can argue that a 30GB HD-DVD is fundamentally about the same PQ as a 50GB blu-ray, but the audio is NOT. Hence the extra space DOES make a difference. Anyone have any firm answers and not just FUD-mising? Thanks.

10-05-2007, 06:24 PM	#2
bluflu Special Member Member since:Mar 2007	Why would Microsoft support HD-DVD? For the same reason Exxon would support electric cars.

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10-05-2007, 06:24 PM	#3
SS316SRV Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Appleton, WI Blu-ray collection:74	Because Microsoft wanted everybody to use HDi (their program). Sony said yes at first, then changed their mind and used Sun Microsystems for Java. Toshiba said that they would use the HDi software. Microsoft supports where ever their money is comming from.

10-05-2007, 06:25 PM	#4
Cyorg Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:San Antonio, TX. PSN ID: Cyorg Blu-ray collection:62 Blu-ray reviews:1	Because Microsoft always supports crap.

10-05-2007, 06:38 PM	#9
bryaaaant Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	Because if they supported Blu-ray, it's basically supporting the PS3 as well - and that won't make sense since they have HUGE stakes at the Xbox 360's success.

10-05-2007, 06:44 PM	#10
Luis_A51 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Calgary, AB Blu-ray reviews:4	Im pretty sure the number one reason is HDi. Because for HDi to work you basically need a windows computer. So each and every HDDVD player is a intel-based PC running windows. Thats why MS and Intel support HDDVD.

10-05-2007, 06:46 PM	#11
Xerious Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Washington, DC Blu-ray collection:238 Blu-ray reviews:4	HDi is propriotary software engineered by Microsoft Java, well, it's Java, do with it what you will we could very well say: GO BLU & SUPPORT OPEN SOURCE

10-05-2007, 06:48 PM	#12
Sonny Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:1	because it a punch in the nose of sony . & ya, they support crap as my fellow san antonian said

10-05-2007, 06:51 PM	#14
Hayashi Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Hawaii	http://roughlydrafted.com/RD/TechQ30...D-DVD_War.html perfect explanation and apple backs Blu-ray. We all know that rivalry will never die.

10-05-2007, 06:58 PM	#16
nails Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	Well Microsoft obviously doesn't believe in their own technology, because they won't build an HD-DVD drive into the 360. I guess that makes it a 260.

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