Speculation about other Star Trek Series on future HD releases

[Lope de Aguirre]

Originally Posted by Lope de Aguirre

I hope they will be able to do quality work in a mch shorter timespan.
I do not want to wait that long for the later (and better) seasons and I am a much greater "Deep Space Nine" fan and wish they would start releasing that show in 2013...

And to add to this comment of mine:
I also want "Enterprise" on BD.
I know it is the easiest 1080P release of all the Trek shows but still Paramount is usually releasing one show after the other and I don't want to wait for 2020 for ENT on BD...

[whbinder]

Ignoring the technical specifications for just a moment, let's look at market feasibility.

Would I use streaming? Sure. Would most people on this forum? Sure.

Now think about your friends. The ones who can't hook up a DVD player. And those are your young friends. Think about your parents. My parents could conceivably buy a Blu-ray player in the next year or so. There's no way in hell they're going to understand streaming.

I myself favor physical media, although I have no problems with streaming. But it's not going to be practical until it's built into TVs; not the TVs in the stores. The TVs old people have.

[dissident]

people have a hard enough time telling the difference between 1080p and standard definition... no way will a higher resolution than 1080p become standard for a very long time... there might be a few percent of the videophiles with 40/20 vision who would want it, but other then that there would be no market for it.

We have a hard enough time even getting 720p content to look good over cable with all the compression done as well, some super high resolution would look even worse. Hopefully that improves when we force all the old farts off the analog stuff and then after that, get rid of the standard definition digital channels too... pave way for the future, leave the past in the dust.

I never stream, because of low bandwidth caps by cable companies... if everyone tried to only stream for their source of entertainment, especially in decent resolutions that don't look like crap, you'd be seeing very low speeds of under a meg a second due to all the nodes being overloaded.

Have a collection of 60 HD-DVD movies I bought for 3 bucks each as the format was dying that I need to finish ripping uncompressed into MKV format. I wonder if I'd have to keep the discs to 'prove' I bought the movies down the road if they make piracy a criminal offense... I'm a minimalist, not a packrabbit. Given the choice I'd store every movie I own on a drive, a backup of the drive, and then throw out the hard copies. Of course, they throw so many previews into blurays that are a pain to skip through, that I don't even like 'buying' movies. I remember when the selling point for DVDs was 'no previews' way back in the day. Much more enjoyable to get a rip off the MKV off fileserve.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by whbinder

I myself favor physical media, although I have no problems with streaming. But it's not going to be practical until it's built into TVs; not the TVs in the stores. The TVs old people have.

I will have no problem with streaming and owning my entire uncompressed HD movie collection on a single HD (with cloud access when I need it) when that becomes feasible everyday tech, but for now I want hard copies of my movies.

My entire music collection is digital now and I stream off of Pandora now and then, so it won't be long before films become the same. I think blu-ray will be the last generation of disk-based movies. Hard copy media will always have a use in our society, so I can see an optical disk surpassing blu-ray in the future (quantum digital disks anyone?), but it won't be used for movies.

[omegaman7]

Blu-ray optical technology has already been blown out of the water. HVD(Holographic versatile disc). Probably won't be consumer available for quite some time though. 6Tb on a standard 120mm disc. Now THAT's impressive!
Holographic Versatile Disc

6Tb. That would contain quite a bit of Star trek in HD

[blonde_devil]

chances are pretty good we will never see the other series on bluray simply because there is not enough people out there who will buy them. Enterprise would be the easiest one to do but since they haven't brought out bluray versions of them yet, chances are they won't. truthfully, i am a little surprised they are remastering TNG given the cost but they must feel that there is a market for it but given how split people are over DS9, Voyager and Enterprise, i think it is a gamble CBS won't be willing to take.

hopefully they give us a bit more for the blurays than they did for the dvds. there were some good features but it seems that they did more for the later releases than they did for TNG. a commentary or two would be nice.

[omegaman7]

They need a more automated procedure for remastering stuff like this. It would save them a great deal of time and money. No doubt they do use some forms of automation. Or computer algorithms that make the job quicker. No doubt they are learning much in the process of TNG. It'll make DS9 and Voyager much easier down the road. I don't like DS9 that much, but I would definitely buy it and voyager to complete the collection

If they make enough remastering TNG, I guarantee they'll do the other series. Question is, how many pirates are gonna do the honorable thing, and actually buy something that's worth spending the money on

[blonde_devil]

i think it is just the man-power that stops them since they need to go back to the original negatives - it is a lot of work that way. there is no master version on film that they can remaster. good idea at the time to do it all on video but it has come back to haunt more than one series.

[omegaman7]

They should really scan the negatives at a super high resolution. That way they have it stored digitally for future uses Though anything beyond 1080P for the consumer is a bit overkill?

[whbinder]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

but given how split people are over DS9, Voyager and Enterprise

I don't think it's about how split fans are, but about how low they are on the public radar. My mom knows Star Trek: The Next Generation. She doesn't know Voyager (well, she's probably overheard me mention it but...)

The other shows just don't have the cultural impact that would make the venture worthwhile for DS9 or Voyager. Enterprise is also lesser known, but would be much much simpler and cheaper to bring to Blu-ray so, it's certainly possible.

Now, as with all things, perhaps in a few years new technology will make the process less expensive and the cost and effort will reduce to a point, where it's feasible to do it for shows with less demand for syndication from the public, but I wouldn't count on it soon.

[Maxwell Everett]

Originally Posted by omegaman7

They should really scan the negatives at a super high resolution. That way they have it stored digitally for future uses

They almost certainly are. By way of example, here are the full res Academy Gate negative scans that were done for "The Trouble with Tribbles":

http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/090726.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/283310.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/322823.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/302516.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/341400.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/154515.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/421509.jpg

[benbess]

Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett

They almost certainly are. By way of example, here are the full res Academy Gate negative scans that were done for "The Trouble with Tribbles":

http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/090726.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/283310.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/322823.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/302516.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/341400.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/154515.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/421509.jpg

Great stuff. Is this how it looks on TOS blu-rays? Seems a little wider....? 1.37? 1.40? 1.45?? What is it exactly?

[Maxwell Everett]

Originally Posted by benbess

Great stuff. Is this how it looks on TOS blu-rays? Seems a little wider....? 1.37? 1.40? 1.45?? What is it exactly?

The Blu-ray was cropped down from Academy 1.37:1 to TV 1.33:1.



Compare:

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...bleshd0259.jpg

to:

http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/090726.jpg

[Livelong420]

For the other series, would you guys rather have upscaled SD effects, or no Blu release at all?

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett

They almost certainly are. By way of example, here are the full res Academy Gate negative scans that were done for "The Trouble with Tribbles":

http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/090726.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/283310.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/322823.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/302516.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/341400.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/154515.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/421509.jpg

I would think "super high" resolution would be more than 2K... 2K is pretty standard, and 4K is being used more and more often.

[Maxwell Everett]

Originally Posted by retablo

I would think "super high" resolution would be more than 2K... 2K is pretty standard, and 4K is being used more and more often.

But look at the resolution of those pics (3656x2664). I think they're mislabeled. It's really closer to 4k if you were to include the Full Camera Aperture area.

[Deciazulado]

Those are 4K scans (unless they're uscaled 2x): 2664 x 3656 pixels

If you scan 35mm as "4K" using the original Kodak Cineon 4K scanning standard (specified as 6µ pitch, which would be 166.66 pixels per mm), 4K (4096 pixels across the sensor's width) covers about 24.6mm of the picture width between the sprockets which is more than enough to cover the Silent 1.33/Super-35 format's 24mm Projected Aperture/Extraction width, while 35mm sound formats due to the space reserved for the optical soundtrack are ~3mm narrower, so the scan pixels are less..

On the original CIneon standard:

The Academy Camera Aperture area (16mm x 22mm) @ "4K" (166.66 pixels/mm) = 2666 x 3666 pixels
The Academy Projector Aperture area (15.24mm x 20.955mm) @ "4K" (166.66 pixels/mm) = 2540 x 3492 pixels

2664 x 3656 pixels (4K) or 1332 x 1828 pixels (2K) correspond to the Academy Camera Aperture

[Lope de Aguirre]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

chances are pretty good we will never see the other series on bluray simply because there is not enough people out there who will buy them. Enterprise would be the easiest one to do but since they haven't brought out bluray versions of them yet, chances are they won't. truthfully, i am a little surprised they are remastering TNG given the cost but they must feel that there is a market for it but given how split people are over DS9, Voyager and Enterprise, i think it is a gamble CBS won't be willing to take.

hopefully they give us a bit more for the blurays than they did for the dvds. there were some good features but it seems that they did more for the later releases than they did for TNG. a commentary or two would be nice.

With "Star Trek" going strong again I'm certain that they at least start releasing DS9 on Blu.

And why you think there aren't even enough buyers for a show like ENT which is fit for blu without any additional trouble is beyond me.
I mean they release "Caprica" and "Robin of Sherwood" why would anyone skip a release like ENT entirely?

I am pretty sure that they are planning to release the shows in chronological order. Of course they change plans if they "have to" stop releasing DS9 or VOY.
For example they may even release ENT during a underprerforming release of DS9 just to see if it's a specific DS9 thing or probably all the other lesser known Trek shows who dissapoint in sales.

One way or another we will see a BD release of ENT. It's ready and it will at least sell well enough to make some profit.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by benbess

Great stuff. Is this how it looks on TOS blu-rays? Seems a little wider....? 1.37? 1.40? 1.45?? What is it exactly?

It's 3656x2664 pixels, which works out to 1.37:1, the vintage standard for 35mm sound movies.
That's about 9.739MP.

A Sony 4K theatrical digital projector projects 1.85 at 3996x2160, which is 8.631MP.
While there's no official 1.37 mode in those projectors, it would probably project at 2959x2160, which is 6.392MP.

Considering that recent and upcoming 35mm SLRs are coming in at anywhere from 16MP to 36MP (although the frame sizes are different), one could make the argument that even 4K (about 8.6MP) is nowhere near enough.

[willbfree]

Absolutely Paramount will release the other series, at least Enterprise, on BluRay. Paramount owns these properties to make money from them.