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JTK · 07-19-2006, 01:48 PM

Early Samsung Blu-ray Players Ship with Chip Mistake

So much for Blu-Ray being a disaster, right?

This is an unfortunate story for Samsung, but I think it's good news for the format.

As expected: The trashing of Blu-Ray by HD-DVD fanboys and zealots has been greatly exaggerated. Here's some concrete proof to that effect.

Those of you that demoed the Samsung and had PQ complaints should feel a sense of deja vu right away when you read this article about what this "noise reduction" chip does.

It explains everything as far as I'm concerned.

Psiweaver · 07-19-2006, 04:34 PM

yeah definately.

BTBuck1 · 07-19-2006, 04:35 PM

Wow, somehow i see fanboys discrediting it, or still bashing. But a good find none the less.
provenflipper had discussed previously to me that he fealt the genesis chip had something to do with it. We had seen the BDP-S1 in action and we weren't seeing the same thing out of the BD-p1000

Psiweaver · 07-19-2006, 05:03 PM

Yeah this is why you wait for the second wave of players.

JTK · 07-19-2006, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psiweaver

Yeah this is why you wait for the second wave of players.

Or at the very least:

This is a typical example of why, past my LCD PC monitor, I've deliberately steered clear of Samsung products.

They have this same sort of thing going on with their DLPs. They use this proprietary "DNIE" system that, at least on some models, you have no control over.

That DNIE makes a lot of noise and artificial looking characteristics to a picture that I simply do not care for and wouldn't pay two cents towards.

It's like they put "DNIE" in this player.

Here's a real life example:

The Samsung player that my friend owns at his house, on his front projection system, looked appreciably better than the Samsung I saw yesterday at ABC Warehouse.
If I hadn't known any better, I could have sworn it was two entirely different product, but it isn't.

The Samsung there was outputting 1080p straight into one of the newer Samsung DLPs that I'm presuming can accept 1080p. It was one the of typical Blu-Ray demo discs playing and honestly? My upconverting SD DVD player puts out a better picture than what THIS looked like.

So, I certainly don't think this excuses medicore disc transfers and the need to go to the most advanced codecs, BD-50 discs etc. etc., but I DO think it utterly disarms and ends the talk about HD-DVD having already won, and BR's launch is a disaster, and the rest of that nonsense.

Psiweaver · 07-19-2006, 05:42 PM

Yeah samsung doesn't make great video products other than there tvs. you can always turn dnie off you just have to know how too.

BTBuck1 · 07-19-2006, 05:49 PM

when i used to have samsung ED plasma, DNie benefited it in giving it an almost HD picture. It was also selectable on/off

I've noticed on some newer model LCD's and such that it is not selectable now. it's always on...unless you use the "game-mode" which IMO hampers the brightness severly.

Samsung needs to give it's owners more control over the picture settings IMO.

Would I ever buy a samsung TV again?...most likely

Would I ever By a samsung (anything else)? probably not.

Does Samsung measure up to Sony, Pioneer & Panasonic? (only in some models of their tv's-nothing else) IMO.

abc · 07-19-2006, 06:05 PM

I think all the lies have to stop, and Blu-ray Consortium needs to really tell the truth about what is really wrong. Samsung first stated that it was a faulty HDMI connector that was causing the video to look worse than my normal dvd player. Well I also have a new Sony VAIO, and the picture is just as bad on that as it is on the Samsung BD-P1000 running it with my Panasonic PT-AE900U, so the lies continue!

abc

JTK · 07-19-2006, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abc

I think all the lies have to stop, and Blu-ray Consortium needs to really tell the truth about what is really wrong. Samsung first stated that it was a faulty HDMI connector that was causing the video to look worse than my normal dvd player. Well I also have a new Sony VAIO, and the picture is just as bad on that as it is on the Samsung BD-P1000 running it with my Panasonic PT-AE900U, so the lies continue!

abc

And what exactly is "the truth" then?

07-19-2006, 01:48 PM	#1
JTK Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2006 Location:www.blurayoasis.com	Early Samsung Blu-ray Players Ship with Chip Mistake Early Samsung Blu-ray Players Ship with Chip Mistake So much for Blu-Ray being a disaster, right? This is an unfortunate story for Samsung, but I think it's good news for the format. As expected: The trashing of Blu-Ray by HD-DVD fanboys and zealots has been greatly exaggerated. Here's some concrete proof to that effect. Those of you that demoed the Samsung and had PQ complaints should feel a sense of deja vu right away when you read this article about what this "noise reduction" chip does. It explains everything as far as I'm concerned.

07-19-2006, 04:35 PM	#3
BTBuck1 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Oceanside, CA. Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:1	Wow, somehow i see fanboys discrediting it, or still bashing. But a good find none the less. provenflipper had discussed previously to me that he fealt the genesis chip had something to do with it. We had seen the BDP-S1 in action and we weren't seeing the same thing out of the BD-p1000 Last edited by BTBuck1; 07-19-2006 at 04:42 PM.

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07-19-2006, 04:34 PM	#2
Psiweaver Special Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Los Angeles,CA	yeah definately.

07-19-2006, 05:03 PM	#4
Psiweaver Special Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Los Angeles,CA	Yeah this is why you wait for the second wave of players.

07-19-2006, 05:42 PM	#6
Psiweaver Special Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Los Angeles,CA	Yeah samsung doesn't make great video products other than there tvs. you can always turn dnie off you just have to know how too.

07-19-2006, 05:49 PM	#7
BTBuck1 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Oceanside, CA. Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:1	when i used to have samsung ED plasma, DNie benefited it in giving it an almost HD picture. It was also selectable on/off I've noticed on some newer model LCD's and such that it is not selectable now. it's always on...unless you use the "game-mode" which IMO hampers the brightness severly. Samsung needs to give it's owners more control over the picture settings IMO. Would I ever buy a samsung TV again?...most likely Would I ever By a samsung (anything else)? probably not. Does Samsung measure up to Sony, Pioneer & Panasonic? (only in some models of their tv's-nothing else) IMO.

07-19-2006, 06:05 PM	#8
abc New Member Member since:Jul 2006	I think all the lies have to stop, and Blu-ray Consortium needs to really tell the truth about what is really wrong. Samsung first stated that it was a faulty HDMI connector that was causing the video to look worse than my normal dvd player. Well I also have a new Sony VAIO, and the picture is just as bad on that as it is on the Samsung BD-P1000 running it with my Panasonic PT-AE900U, so the lies continue! abc

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