Bluray player price vs ps3

[zero_cool098]

first of all im assuming that bluray player is more expensive than than ps3, if thats the case then why?the player just plays movies while ps3 plays games and movies

[marzetta7]

short answer: The PS3 is subsidized whereas the Blu-ray standalone players are not (the 2 HD DVD players solely from Toshiba are, thus their less expensive price as well).

[zero_cool098]

oh can u like explain that i have no idea wat it mean lol

[partridge]

The stand alone players are sold at cost/profit, meaning the price you pay covers the cost of making it plus a bit on top for the company.

Sony will sell the PS3 at a loss, meaning it costs a lot more to manufacture than the price they are selling it at. They are banking on making money on game and accessory sales to cover that loss, as well as money they may make with its online services and features, etc.

Over time the cost of making the console comes down and eventually, despite inevitable price drops, the console should move into profit. So it is a long term venture for Sony, what they lose initially they should get back over time assuming sales are good.

It worked for PS 1 & 2, both moved into profit due to the huge numbers sold, despite also being sold at a loss when they came out.

[zero_cool098]

Thanks for that info! So a bluray player and a ps3 interms of playing bluray movie disks are the same huh

[partridge]

Should be, with the PS3 being the big blu-ray device, it needs to be a showcase player for the format. So while you might not have all the features that a standalone might have, the playback (sound and picture) should still be up with the best of them.

[gblaue]

Originally Posted by partridge

Should be, with the PS3 being the big blu-ray device, it needs to be a showcase player for the format. So while you might not have all the features that a standalone might have, the playback (sound and picture) should still be up with the best of them.

So by your statement, any ChengDuShinDuc, $99 dollar (eventually) player will have the same audio/video performance as the $1500 Pioneer and Sony, just because it's blu-ray?

I tend to think not.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by gblaue

So by your statement, any ChengDuShinDuc, $99 dollar (eventually) player will have the same audio/video performance as the $1500 Pioneer and Sony, just because it's blu-ray?

I tend to think not.

I don't think that is what was said at all. Partridge simply stated that the PS3 "needs" to be a showcase player, and "should still be up with the best of them." From his statement, I get that the PS3 will be a very good player, mind you not as fancy or as nice as a high end standalone player, but certainly not as cheap or inferior as a very low end player.

[partridge]

Thanks, Marzetta7. I'm only talking about the PlayStation3, a console that is being heavily subsidised by Sony. So as a blu-ray player who knows what its actual value is, or how it compares to standalone players that are, after all, being sold at cost or profit.

PS3 HAS to show off blu-ray at its best, or it will be dismissed by HD-DVD supporters and the anti-Sony brigade, and the format itself will suffer.

The last thing Sony needs is for the blu-ray movie playback of the PS3 to be poor. It's half the reason for getting one!

[gblaue]

Originally Posted by partridge

Thanks, Marzetta7. I'm only talking about the PlayStation3, a console that is being heavily subsidised by Sony. So as a blu-ray player who knows what its actual value is, or how it compares to standalone players that are, after all, being sold at cost or profit.

PS3 HAS to show off blu-ray at its best, or it will be dismissed by HD-DVD supporters and the anti-Sony brigade, and the format itself will suffer.

The last thing Sony needs is for the blu-ray movie playback of the PS3 to be poor. It's half the reason for getting one!

Sorry, "showcase" to me implies it will be the cream of the crop. I don't think it will be anywhere near that. Video game audio and video codec are quite different in performance, compared to mid to highend player's codecs. I don't think the PS3 will be worthy of being called "showcase". PS2 is a perfect example. Great for video games, sucked as a DVD player. PS3 will probably be no better. It was never intended be a "showcase" home theater player, otherwise they'd be robbing the sales of the stand alone players. It's a video game with an added benefit.

[movies3]

Originally Posted by gblaue

Sorry, "showcase" to me implies it will be the cream of the crop. I don't think it will be anywhere near that. Video game audio and video codec are quite different in performance, compared to mid to highend player's codecs. I don't think the PS3 will be worthy of being called "showcase". PS2 is a perfect example. Great for video games, sucked as a DVD player. PS3 will probably be no better. It was never intended be a "showcase" home theater player, otherwise they'd be robbing the sales of the stand alone players. It's a video game with an added benefit.

i agree with you on some things but once ps3 hits the market the stand alone bluray players will def drop in prices to compete with the ps3. i thought the ps2 dvd player was pretty good for movies.

we will all just have to wait and see what the ps3 can really do.

[zero_cool098]

i really hope the format will win although in my mind the chance of failure is bigger lol, ive read alot of articles yet im still kinda not convinced that bluray will be the next dominating formatd

[JTK]

Originally Posted by zero_cool098

i really hope the format will win although in my mind the chance of failure is bigger lol, ive read alot of articles yet im still kinda not convinced that bluray will be the next dominating formatd

On paper, it should be, but I think these last few months have shown everyone what paper vs. reality can be all about.

I'm starting to wonder if we're going to end up with an overglorified SACD vs. DVD-A type scenario again, albeit on a larger scale.

HD-DVD and BD both have already done worlds better than the high rez audio formats EVER did,in terms of marketing, advertising and exposure. Re: They actually have had some!

[takezo]

Originally Posted by partridge

The stand alone players are sold at cost/profit, meaning the price you pay covers the cost of making it plus a bit on top for the company.

Sony will sell the PS3 at a loss, meaning it costs a lot more to manufacture than the price they are selling it at. They are banking on making money on game and accessory sales to cover that loss, as well as money they may make with its online services and features, etc.

Over time the cost of making the console comes down and eventually, despite inevitable price drops, the console should move into profit. So it is a long term venture for Sony, what they lose initially they should get back over time assuming sales are good.

It worked for PS 1 & 2, both moved into profit due to the huge numbers sold, despite also being sold at a loss when they came out.

100% true

It also helps that the PS3 uses CELL and RSX to decode blu-ray, much like how modern computers play back DVDs. It means that no extra blu-ray hardware is in PS3, they just need a Blu-Ray decoding software preloaded.

Standalone players rely on a blu-ray chip. If you consider that you need a 3GHz computer, 1GB of ram and a 128mb video card to output HD video. Then you realise how powerfull the blu-ray firmware is.

there are some of the other factors that atribute to high cost

Manufacturing is still in it's early phases, this means quantities are low. Low yeild + high demand = high prices. The switch to masproduction and multiple chip providers, will drive prices significantly lower as yeild over demand raito even up.

New tecnology is a key reason. Manufactuing cost are higher due new machines, facilities, employee training, low yeilds (lots of duds). HD-DVD has less problems because it's build ontop of proven technology, "DVD".

Third and final reasons. No competition. Competion drives prices lower, as companies compete for customers Samsung has no competition, as they are the only standalone blu-ray player availible. i don' consider HD-DVD a compeditor as they are two diffrent formats. If someone wanted a stndalone Blu-ray now, Samy is the only one.

[Psiweaver]

PS3 will not lower prices of standalone blu-ray players at all. They are different products for different customers.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by zero_cool098

i really hope the format will win although in my mind the chance of failure is bigger lol, ive read alot of articles yet im still kinda not convinced that bluray will be the next dominating formatd

I'm sure some of what you read were exaggerated. If you are having doubts, let's put it this way. HD-DVD has come out of the gates at near full gallop and they have still only sold about 20,000 players. Blu-ray has had problems and still sold around 15,000 players.

In November, the PS3 will launch worldwide (2 million units if delivered as promised). Now you have around 2 million potential Blu-ray movie buyers compared to maybe 80,000 potential HD-DVD buyers. The Japanese love Sony. They will buy lots of movies on Blu-ray. Over 23 million PS2 were sold in Japan alone. Those numbers won't change much at all due to Japanese loyalty to the Playstation brand. Their sheer numbers will make Hollywood ramp up Blu-ray movie production. Also, the European market will push that number up even more. 40 million out of the total 106 million PS2s were sold in Europe alone. If only less than half of the European market buys a PS3, that will still be over 40 million potential Blu-ray movie buyers over the PS3's life-cycle! That's not even including the US market at all. That's HUGE! Do you really think HD-DVD will have that kind of reach?

Remember, the Xbox 360 is all but non-existent in Asia. That means the HD-DVD add-on drive is not a factor in Asia (they are not even offering the HD-DVD add-on in Asia anyway). The Toshiba player will most likely be eclipsed by the PS3 due to the extreme popularity of the Playstation (plus the HD-DVD standalone player will be at the same price point as the PS3). Also, Blu-ray recorders have been in Japan for over 3 years now. They are completely comfortable with the format. So, Asia will almost be a Blu-ray only market!

Bottom line is even with the negative press Blu-ray still has a almost unbeatable plan because of the Playstation...not to mention Blu-ray's technical superiority (especially in the PC market). HD-DVD should be butt-naked after Christmas '07. Then, it should be spanked and sent packing shortly after that.

[actarusfleed]

Hi to all, I'm a new user of this forum.
I'm italian and here in my country there aren't HD-DVD and BLURAY yet.
I'm thinking about a PS3 only as a Blu-Ray movie player for my HomeTheater.
I'm not interested about gaming.
From the HomeTheater-fan's point of view the big difference between the PS3 and stand-alone BD player is the capability of the player to decode the new multichannel HD audio formats like Dolby TrueHD and the DTSHD master.
No one of us (in this moment) have an audio-amplifer capable to decode theese audio streams.
So the only one chance for us is a player that include an audio-decoder.
We think that the future BD Stand alone players (like Sony's an the Pioneer's) will have this feature ... but will the PS3 do?
It seems that the PS3 will have the new HDMI 1.3 connection and it seems that the not-decompressed streams will be carried out on this way.
So my question is: will the PS3 be able to decompress theese new HD audio formats and send them (coded in PCM linear streams) throught the HDMI connection to the today's audio (HDMI compatible) amplifier?

Thank you so much,
Actarus.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

I'm sure some of what you read were exaggerated. If you are having doubts, let's put it this way. HD-DVD has come out of the gates at near full gallop and they have still only sold about 20,000 players. Blu-ray has had problems and still sold around 15,000 players.

In November, the PS3 will launch worldwide (2 million units if delivered as promised). Now you have around 2 million potential Blu-ray movie buyers compared to maybe 80,000 potential HD-DVD buyers. The Japanese love Sony. They will buy lots of movies on Blu-ray. Over 23 million PS2 were sold in Japan alone. Those numbers won't change much at all due to Japanese loyalty to the Playstation brand. Their sheer numbers will make Hollywood ramp up Blu-ray movie production. Also, the European market will push that number up even more. 40 million out of the total 106 million PS2s were sold in Europe alone. If only less than half of the European market buys a PS3, that will still be over 40 million potential Blu-ray movie buyers over the PS3's life-cycle! That's not even including the US market at all. That's HUGE! Do you really think HD-DVD will have that kind of reach?

Remember, the Xbox 360 is all but non-existent in Asia. That means the HD-DVD add-on drive is not a factor in Asia (they are not even offering the HD-DVD add-on in Asia anyway). The Toshiba player will most likely be eclipsed by the PS3 due to the extreme popularity of the Playstation (plus the HD-DVD standalone player will be at the same price point as the PS3). Also, Blu-ray recorders have been in Japan for over 3 years now. They are completely comfortable with the format. So, Asia will almost be a Blu-ray only market!

Bottom line is even with the negative press Blu-ray still has a almost unbeatable plan because of the Playstation...not to mention Blu-ray's technical superiority (especially in the PC market). HD-DVD should be butt-naked after Christmas '07. Then, it should be spanked and sent packing shortly after that.

Can I get an amen! Couldn't agree more.

[zero_cool098]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

I'm sure some of what you read were exaggerated. If you are having doubts, let's put it this way. HD-DVD has come out of the gates at near full gallop and they have still only sold about 20,000 players. Blu-ray has had problems and still sold around 15,000 players.

In November, the PS3 will launch worldwide (2 million units if delivered as promised). Now you have around 2 million potential Blu-ray movie buyers compared to maybe 80,000 potential HD-DVD buyers. The Japanese love Sony. They will buy lots of movies on Blu-ray. Over 23 million PS2 were sold in Japan alone. Those numbers won't change much at all due to Japanese loyalty to the Playstation brand. Their sheer numbers will make Hollywood ramp up Blu-ray movie production. Also, the European market will push that number up even more. 40 million out of the total 106 million PS2s were sold in Europe alone. If only less than half of the European market buys a PS3, that will still be over 40 million potential Blu-ray movie buyers over the PS3's life-cycle! That's not even including the US market at all. That's HUGE! Do you really think HD-DVD will have that kind of reach?

Remember, the Xbox 360 is all but non-existent in Asia. That means the HD-DVD add-on drive is not a factor in Asia (they are not even offering the HD-DVD add-on in Asia anyway). The Toshiba player will most likely be eclipsed by the PS3 due to the extreme popularity of the Playstation (plus the HD-DVD standalone player will be at the same price point as the PS3). Also, Blu-ray recorders have been in Japan for over 3 years now. They are completely comfortable with the format. So, Asia will almost be a Blu-ray only market!

Bottom line is even with the negative press Blu-ray still has a almost unbeatable plan because of the Playstation...not to mention Blu-ray's technical superiority (especially in the PC market). HD-DVD should be butt-naked after Christmas '07. Then, it should be spanked and sent packing shortly after that.

wow thanks.....i never knew hd-dvd is almost unkown in asia, well i wouldnt know since i dont live there anymore. thanks alot that alot of help

[Blackraven]

So far, the HD-DVD addon for the X360 is not available here in Asia.

It remains to be seen if they would introduce it or not, considering the X360 market here in Asia is very very weak.