The State of Blu-Ray

[saxwork]

Folks, an interesting article has popped up over at Gizmodo.com

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/exclusive...ray-320077.php

It discussed the possible rumblings within the BDA over BD profile.

Worth a read.

[buckshot]

Originally Posted by saxwork

Folks, an interesting article has popped up over at Gizmodo.com

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/exclusive...ray-320077.php

It discussed the possible rumblings within the BDA over BD profile.

Worth a read.

i guess thats one advantage to only having one manufacturer. its hard to argue with yourself.

[IvanDrago]

I think I want to move to the state of Blu Ray. Where the taxes are low and all the girls are in 1080p!

[buckshot]

Originally Posted by IvanDrago

I think I want to move to the state of Blu Ray. Where the taxes are low and all the girls are in 1080p!

i love it HA! although there are some girls i wouldn't want to see in hd.

[Mr. Spiffy-Pants]

Ok... That doesn't sound like the consumer manufacturers are fighting over it, just that technology is changing/not everything was implemented when Blu-Ray was released last year.

Some of the older players won't be able to download trailers online? Oh noes! I guess I need to go buy 5 HD-DVD players!

Basically, a bunch of extra features I don't watch more than once if even might not be playable on all BD players. I'll be sure to cry myself to sleep tonight while watching Spidey 2 in Blu...

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by buckshot

i love it HA! although there are some girls i wouldn't want to see in hd.

You mean like these two girls...



Sorry but I couldn't resist...

[mdm1699]

Originally Posted by buckshot

i guess thats one advantage to only having one manufacturer. its hard to argue with yourself.

LMAO. ROFL.

[aluni2230]

Originally Posted by buckshot

i guess thats one advantage to only having one manufacturer. its hard to argue with yourself.

Is that why a $100 HD DVD player will decode TruHD, play PiP and has network connectivity, while a $499 BDP 300 will only decode DD+ and support none of the next generation features

The Blu Ray hardware vendors need to discount their profile 1.0 players to $149. Clear them out this year and focus on a full range of profile 2.0 players.

While we have more manufacturers on the BD side, they are all pretty much putting out the same product. There isn't a low end 1080i player (ala A3), no high end player with a Reon processor (ala XA-2). Samsung discontinued the 1200 and is focusing on the dual player as their premium product.

In my humble opinion the BD hardware vendors are simply relying on Sony to make all the investments in opening up the market while they will sail in once the dust settles. I am so disappointed in what Panasonic is doing. Panasonic could have had a $199 player and bundled it with their 1080p plasmas.

Unless we have change, I believe more and more manufacturers will follow Samsung, LG and even denon and start planning dual format players. At the Bose store here in NYC I see they are already bundling the LG 200 with their V20 or V30 systems.

My 2 cents...

[lch]

^^^

why do trolls always ask bda to conduct firesales ?
why should we want to get low quality product which defeat the purpose of going HD ?

[John Rider]

Originally Posted by aluni2230

Is that why a $100 HD DVD player will decode TruHD, play PiP and has network connectivity, while a $499 BDP 300 will only decode DD+ and support none of the next generation features

The Blu Ray hardware vendors need to discount their profile 1.0 players to $149. Clear them out this year and focus on a full range of profile 2.0 players.

While we have more manufacturers on the BD side, they are all pretty much putting out the same product. There isn't a low end 1080i player (ala A3), no high end player with a Reon processor (ala XA-2). Samsung discontinued the 1200 and is focusing on the dual player as their premium product.

In my humble opinion the BD hardware vendors are simply relying on Sony to make all the investments in opening up the market while they will sail in once the dust settles. I am so disappointed in what Panasonic is doing. Panasonic could have had a $199 player and bundled it with their 1080p plasmas.

Unless we have change, I believe more and more manufacturers will follow Samsung, LG and even denon and start planning dual format players. At the Bose store here in NYC I see they are already bundling the LG 200 with their V20 or V30 systems.

My 2 cents...

Dude they're gonna EAT YOU ALIVE here....penelties and banning for speaking well about HD in 3..2....

[davidPS3]

As far as I can tell, the BDA does not have to put products on sale. Sales are growing. Now, they did support the BOGO sale a couple of weeks ago, maybe to just prove a point that they can and will do it if necessary, but look at the sales. They most likely feel they don't have to stoop to the Red teams panic.

[Whytewash]

Originally Posted by buckshot

i love it HA! although there are some girls i wouldn't want to see in hd.

I hear ya there. I want some of them in VHS please!

[CAB]

Originally Posted by aluni2230

Is that why a $100 HD DVD player will decode TruHD, play PiP and has network connectivity . . . "

Please link the $100 HD DVD player? (or the $99 or $98) It's a clearance sale they hope to use to boost software sales. Blu-ray will boost software sales with actual content that people want. Which sounds like the better business strategy?

Originally Posted by aluni2230

The Blu Ray hardware vendors need to discount their profile 1.0 players to $149. Clear them out this year and focus on a full range of profile 2.0 players.

They probably will but why when there isn't 1.1 content ready? Why when they can break even or sell for better than cost while Toshiba loses hundreds on each?

Originally Posted by aluni2230

While we have more manufacturers on the BD side, they are all pretty much putting out the same product. There isn't a low end 1080i player (ala A3), no high end player with a Reon processor (ala XA-2). Samsung discontinued the 1200 and is focusing on the dual player as their premium product.

In my humble opinion the BD hardware vendors are simply relying on Sony to make all the investments in opening up the market while they will sail in once the dust settles. I am so disappointed in what Panasonic is doing. Panasonic could have had a $199 player and bundled it with their 1080p plasmas.

All of the CEs are developing heavy and taking losses. Whoever has the most stake in the format will probably lose the most up front but reap the largest gains in the long run.

Originally Posted by aluni2230

Unless we have change, I believe more and more manufacturers will follow Samsung, LG and even denon and start planning dual format players. At the Bose store here in NYC I see they are already bundling the LG 200 with their V20 or V30 systems.

Assuming one format does win, there's no way dual format will be the primary player. Even now the dual formats cost more than owning a quality standalone from each side.

Originally Posted by aluni2230

My 2 cents...

I liked your post and certainly won't insult someone who is being honest in stating beliefs. I don't believe that Toshiba's can sustain burn rate on cash. If they weren't just liquidating stock on players that wouldn't sell at $299 or $199 I'd worry but that stock isn't going to be replenished.

[theaznidiot]

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/format-wa...ray-320077.php

I don't agree with this, but it does have me worried. How do I back blu-ray up against this article?

[Grisle]

I think this article was posted earlier, but I never read it. It's not a scary article. I don't understand why a company wouldn't just future proof their machine, but what do I know about the costs. All in all these things will just have to work themselves out in the future...unfortunately some people will get screwed, but is there anyone out there who still owns the very first dvd player they ever bought? Prices will come down with new machines and 2.0 will be included...those people who didn't have 2.0 can get them then. I don't mean to make light of the situation, but the opposition loves to make this some kind of impending doom and I don't find it threatening at all.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

What is there to be worried about in that article? If you need to have PiP and on-line interactivity in the near future, buy a PS3. That's pretty simple.

Blu-ray follows a business model to make profit (profit is necessary for businesses to exist). A Profile 2.0 player at the beginning would have costed WAY more than $1,000 at launch. Tiers were created to decrease to cost associated with making Profile 2.0 players and increase profits.

HD DVD's only card to play has always been price. Therefore, the BDA had to cut costs to compete better against HD DVD's prices.

[JimPullan]

Hmmm . . . someone with a sense of business understanding. Thanks for posting this. I scream this everywhere on this Forum, usually on deaf ears. [Jim]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

What is there to be worried about in that article? If you need to have PiP and on-line interactivity in the near future, buy a PS3. That's pretty simple.

Blu-ray follows a business model to make profit (profit is necessary for businesses to exist). A Profile 2.0 player at the beginning would have costed WAY more than $1,000 at launch. Tiers were created to decrease to cost associated with making Profile 2.0 players and increase profits.

HD DVD's only card to play has always been price. Therefore, the BDA had to cut costs to compete better against HD DVD's prices.

[J_UNTITLED]

In case anyone didn't see this, click here for a look at Gizmodo's article on the current state of the format.

[Magic]

Interesting read. I'm anxious to see the "State of HD-DVD" article that is released next...

[esteban2]

Originally Posted by J_UNTITLED

In case anyone didn't see this, click here for a look at Gizmodo's article on the current state of the format.

I understand the technical problems, but my bottom line is that i have a PS3 and just about every BD disc i've played has looked and sounded *fantastic*.

I'm a very satisfied BD customer, and that's the 'state' that matters to me.