are you sure your tv is putting out 1080p? - Blu-ray Forum

oXweebleXo · 11-16-2007, 02:38 PM

heres your answer to the 1080pvs1080i

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-ente...ers-323558.php

BLU STEAL · 11-16-2007, 02:42 PM

maybe now we can do away with 1080i vs p discussions

CptGreedle · 11-16-2007, 02:51 PM

weird... well mine was adjusted by a pro for the best image it can produce. The limitations of the technology are a different matter altogether, but it is also completely pointless since according to him, nothing is that high in motion. Therefore it is merely pointing out a technical limitation of HD technology and nothing more.

aristotles · 11-16-2007, 03:05 PM

I would take this with a grain of salt. First of all, the guy is affiliated with Hitachi and no Hitachi displays were tested. Second, it appears that these tests were done with factor settings. Turning off sharpen and other "filters" can provide a better resolution for both static and motion pictures. I noticed that motion resolution on even SD channels actually decreases visibly when I turned on some of the filters and further degraded as adjusted towards the maximum.

Even it what he said was true, you will only loose that much res on a quick pan.

B-rad · 11-16-2007, 03:26 PM

Sorry.. slow on the uptake this AM. Are they saying don't bother getting a 1080p cause you won't/can't see it anyway unless your pause the flick??

Sonny · 11-16-2007, 03:29 PM

1080p SUX LOL

480p is the way to go!!

DrinkMore · 11-16-2007, 04:15 PM

Lol, this is horse shit.

If it's true, TV manufacturers have a lot of explaining to do. They should also be sued.

I don't believe it. Where the hell do they come up with this crap? How can a moving image DEGRADE? When you feed a 1080 signal, it doesn't go down when it moves. Where the hell does the rest of it go??

Blah.. these people that come up with this shit are idiots.

bdrex28 · 11-16-2007, 04:34 PM

If you go to the original article, he has a link to the sets he tested. Many of those aren't even new sets but older models.

Here's the chart of tested displays:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/images...ookHDTVrez.jpg

WickyWoo · 11-16-2007, 04:37 PM

The best way to explain it

Flat panels are a slight of hand excercise

In order to make a moving image travelling between squares look good, they incorporate all kinds of hardware and software

Vizio is the steaming turd because that's where they cheap out. They give you the cheapest panel they can, and the barest hardware to get a picture on there. Meanwhile Sony, Panny, Samsung and the rest spend piles of money to fix the problem

In addition you're getting motion blur from the actual image capture on film or tape. 24 or 30fps simply doesn't take single crystal clear frames

bdrex28 · 11-16-2007, 04:39 PM

Wicky

did you take a look at the displays he used? Most of them are old. I'd like to see him test new models, such as the A3000 or even the Sammy HLT6189s

johnnymech · 11-16-2007, 04:44 PM

I read the article a few times and can't figure out why a moving image would degrade the resolution. I think the guru is trying to say that not all of the 1080 line are refreshed. I don't know.

I wouldn't give the article much thought, and find it easier to be blown away by movies on Blu-ray.

JaysDomain · 11-18-2007, 07:59 PM

In the eye of the beholder...
The only part of this test worth factoring into your new TV purchase is the 1080i upscaling and 3:2 pulldown, as this can cause worse pictures for DirecTV 1080i watchers (like myself) and standard def.
Whats funny is I was looking at a panasonic th series 50" plasma (I just want a good monitor), which seems to have doen the best using the blu-ray test disk, except in the 3:2, but I am just not that picky anyway and stretch everything not WS/HD, (I could care less how fat the news lady looks on TV).
It still all comes down to what looks best to you and makes you happy.
Obviously if you have to make excuses for your TV's issues then you need to exchange or sell it and get another.
I am still using an old Sony 1080i and it looks great, though I really would like to get a new 1080p plasma, and I doubt I will consider this test when I make my purchase.

Another thing about this test is it sounded like he was doing the test in multiple stores, using their setup, which can vary greatly... grain o' salt.

11-16-2007, 02:38 PM	#1
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11-16-2007, 02:42 PM	#2
BLU STEAL Active Member Member since:Oct 2007	maybe now we can do away with 1080i vs p discussions

11-16-2007, 02:51 PM	#3
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	weird... well mine was adjusted by a pro for the best image it can produce. The limitations of the technology are a different matter altogether, but it is also completely pointless since according to him, nothing is that high in motion. Therefore it is merely pointing out a technical limitation of HD technology and nothing more.

11-16-2007, 03:05 PM	#4
aristotles Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Canada Blu-ray collection:401 Blu-ray reviews:1	I would take this with a grain of salt. First of all, the guy is affiliated with Hitachi and no Hitachi displays were tested. Second, it appears that these tests were done with factor settings. Turning off sharpen and other "filters" can provide a better resolution for both static and motion pictures. I noticed that motion resolution on even SD channels actually decreases visibly when I turned on some of the filters and further degraded as adjusted towards the maximum. Even it what he said was true, you will only loose that much res on a quick pan.

11-16-2007, 03:26 PM	#5
B-rad Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	Sorry.. slow on the uptake this AM. Are they saying don't bother getting a 1080p cause you won't/can't see it anyway unless your pause the flick??

11-16-2007, 03:29 PM	#6
Sonny Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:1	1080p SUX LOL 480p is the way to go!!

11-16-2007, 04:15 PM	#7
DrinkMore Banned Member since:Apr 2007 Location:That's What She Said! Blu-ray collection:140 Blu-ray reviews:7 Trading Score:3	Lol, this is horse shit. If it's true, TV manufacturers have a lot of explaining to do. They should also be sued. I don't believe it. Where the hell do they come up with this crap? How can a moving image DEGRADE? When you feed a 1080 signal, it doesn't go down when it moves. Where the hell does the rest of it go?? Blah.. these people that come up with this shit are idiots.

11-16-2007, 04:34 PM	#8
bdrex28 Senior Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Edmond, OK Blu-ray reviews:4	If you go to the original article, he has a link to the sets he tested. Many of those aren't even new sets but older models. Here's the chart of tested displays: http://www.hometheatermag.com/images...ookHDTVrez.jpg

11-16-2007, 04:37 PM	#9
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	The best way to explain it Flat panels are a slight of hand excercise In order to make a moving image travelling between squares look good, they incorporate all kinds of hardware and software Vizio is the steaming turd because that's where they cheap out. They give you the cheapest panel they can, and the barest hardware to get a picture on there. Meanwhile Sony, Panny, Samsung and the rest spend piles of money to fix the problem In addition you're getting motion blur from the actual image capture on film or tape. 24 or 30fps simply doesn't take single crystal clear frames

11-16-2007, 04:39 PM	#10
bdrex28 Senior Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Edmond, OK Blu-ray reviews:4	Wicky did you take a look at the displays he used? Most of them are old. I'd like to see him test new models, such as the A3000 or even the Sammy HLT6189s

11-16-2007, 04:44 PM	#11
johnnymech Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Eastern, USA 4K collection:22 Blu-ray collection:576 DVD collection:632 Blu-ray reviews:4	I read the article a few times and can't figure out why a moving image would degrade the resolution. I think the guru is trying to say that not all of the 1080 line are refreshed. I don't know. I wouldn't give the article much thought, and find it easier to be blown away by movies on Blu-ray.

11-18-2007, 07:59 PM	#12
JaysDomain Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:3	In the eye of the beholder... The only part of this test worth factoring into your new TV purchase is the 1080i upscaling and 3:2 pulldown, as this can cause worse pictures for DirecTV 1080i watchers (like myself) and standard def. Whats funny is I was looking at a panasonic th series 50" plasma (I just want a good monitor), which seems to have doen the best using the blu-ray test disk, except in the 3:2, but I am just not that picky anyway and stretch everything not WS/HD, (I could care less how fat the news lady looks on TV). It still all comes down to what looks best to you and makes you happy. Obviously if you have to make excuses for your TV's issues then you need to exchange or sell it and get another. I am still using an old Sony 1080i and it looks great, though I really would like to get a new 1080p plasma, and I doubt I will consider this test when I make my purchase. Another thing about this test is it sounded like he was doing the test in multiple stores, using their setup, which can vary greatly... grain o' salt.

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