Interesting UK article on format war

[Living Near Shamu]

This article touts the blu-ray's disc capacity, and how they're working to improve it to 200G's.

The HD format battle rumbles on

By Chris Long
Reporter, BBC Click


The advent of High Definition TV has spurred a minor boom in the sales of screens on which to watch such gorgeous images. But buying a HD TV involves making a difficult choice about which of the two competing HD formats you back.


Technically there is little to choose between the two competing formats - Blu-ray and HD DVD.

Sony and Phillips are behind Blu-ray and Toshiba and Microsoft have backed HD DVD

In this fight both Microsoft and Sony are using their respective next generation games consoles as vehicles through which to promote the different formats.

Sony's PlayStation 3 has a Blu-ray drive built-in but owners of the Xbox 360 have to pay extra to get a HD DVD player for their console.

"HD DVD players are selling more than Blu-ray players but that tends to be driven on price at the moment," said Daniel Aziz, marketing manager at electronics giant LG.

"However, when you do add in the elements of games consoles the PS3 is helping to drive more sales on Blu-ray than HD DVD," he said. "We are seeing around 3:1 in favour of Blu-ray discs being sold."


When it comes to stand alone players price is the guiding issue. There are more Blu-ray players around but HD DVD drives are cheaper and prices are coming down quickly.
"Last year we launched our product at 600 euros (£428)," said Oliver Van Wynendaele, a manager in Toshiba's HD DVD group. "I knew the price would go down within a year but I didn't expect it to be so fast."

"We are half the price of where we were one year ago," he said. "The DVD took three years to cut the price in half," he said.

Perhaps what is most important to know is that the quality of your high definition movie is not dependent on the format on which it is shown.

Blu-ray and HD DVD are just storage formats. And, like storage jars, they do not affect what is kept in them.

The discs vary in how much data they can carry. HD DVD holds around 30 gigabytes and Blu-ray around 50. Work is already going on to boost Blu-ray storage capacity to 200 gigabytes

Because a Blu-ray disc has more storage space than HD DVD there is extra space left after the film has been put on the platter. The extras - out-takes, features, deleted scenes - that come with today's movies typically sit in these spaces.

Features menu

And that reveals probably the most obvious difference between the two formats. The special features interface.

Blu-ray is Java-based system and the HD DVD software was developed by Microsoft.

This is where the real difference between the discs appears.

In a HD DVD movie the extras are accessible at the same time as the film with the menu selection bar coming up at the bottom of the screen when the film is playing.


By contrast Blu-ray discs have an interface similar to a DVD where all the extras sit on a menu accessed only by stopping the movie.
Sony perhaps underestimated the importance of this menu system because it released a new version of it - called Bonus View - to match what was available on HD DVD from the beginning.

Those with older Blu-ray players can upgrade the firmware within the machine to get at these extras. This does highlight how new the technology is if owners are being asked to upgrade their electronics to cope.

With the competing formats aiming to match each other on quality of images and extras it will be down to content, which films are available, to decide a winner.

There are lots of films out in both formats but rather than releasing all their news films on both, many Hollywood studios are putting their films out in one or the other.

It is perhaps no surprise that many consumers have held back from buying any HD gear to see how the battle shakes out. Others are plumping for combo drives that play both formats.

But it could be a long time before a clear picture emerges of which format is the winner.

[The Don]

the article threw me off when I read "Sony and Phillips are behind Blu-ray and Toshiba and Microsoft have backed HD DVD"

that makes BD seem like it's fighting an uphill battle...

I couldn't read anymore after that..

why Philips out of all of the companies (not studios) that support BD...

[Kirsty_Mc]

The usual level of technical competence was shown making this show. Dumbed down television that sadly the BBC specialises in these days to cater for a "Mainstream Audience".

If you can stand it, you can watch it for a limited time by following the following link:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/c...nbwm=1&nbram=1

The BB / HD-DVD format war is between 12:00 and 17:10 minutes into the clip.

I found it to be particularly misleading with the "Coffee Jars" illustration. No mention there of encoding or bitrates and the effects of both on quality.

Dumbed down $hite at it's worst.

[Zazou]

I've posted a comment on the article questioning why the writer has given the impression that hardware support is even across the two formats when in fact Blu-ray also has the likes of Hitachi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Sharp, Dell & Apple on board.

Lee

[NutsAboutPS3]

It's just plain wrong, both on the quality aspects (no mention of HD DVD's limited peak bitrate), and on the pop-up menu issue, confusing PiP with pop-up menus.

Very poor indeed for the BBC who are required to be neutral in such matters, as they are publically funded.

[NutsAboutPS3]

Worryingly, as well, with all that false information, it's the 4th most read article on the whole BBC news site.

[Teazle]

Glad I didn't pay the licence fee!

[SingingTheBlues]

They did get a nice 3 to 1 software sales plug in there. I didn't particularly like the line saying HD-DVD players are outselling BR, but at least they did mention the PS3 indirectly (and poorly) creating the lead in overall sales.

That is really, really big, and isn't likely something to be missed.

[reiella]

Uhm.

Near as I remember, the first bd I purchased [Aeon Flux I believe], has had a pop-up menu...

I'm hard pressed to think of any BD title that didn't [I know I have one, somewhere, but].

[WickyWoo]

It's 100%, probably Toshiba fed FUD

The entire segment only has a guy from LG (combo player) and a guy from Toshiba in it.

I've send the website link to appropriate people who hopefully will be able to correct the situation

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by The Don

the article threw me off when I read "Sony and Phillips are behind Blu-ray and Toshiba and Microsoft have backed HD DVD"

that makes BD seem like it's fighting an uphill battle...

I couldn't read anymore after that..

why Philips out of all of the companies (not studios) that support BD...

I guess they put sony and phillips together as they are the owner and creator of CD. I don't see how M$/Toshiba can beat Sony/Phillips

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by from BBC

In a HD DVD movie the extras are accessible at the same time as the film with the menu selection bar coming up at the bottom of the screen when the film is playing.


By contrast Blu-ray discs have an interface similar to a DVD where all the extras sit on a menu accessed only by stopping the movie.
Sony perhaps underestimated the importance of this menu system because it released a new version of it - called Bonus View - to match what was available on HD DVD from the beginning.

wrong! BD also has accessible menu during the playback to access the extras without quitting the movie. Bonus view adds that ability? wrong again. PS3 is profile 1.0 as of now, and I can access the menu without leaving the movie. Is this writer really experienced in HD medias? If he is referring to Pip, then it is correct (but the likes of hairspray - profile 1.0) has PiP (although it's a fake one)

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by reiella

I'm hard pressed to think of any BD title that didn't [I know I have one, somewhere, but].

I can only think of one that does not have pop-up menu, but not really, as the pop-up menu is still accessible from the movie, but when you click special feature, it takes you to a dedicated menu, quitting the movie.
Hairspray

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by The Don

the article threw me off when I read "Sony and Phillips are behind Blu-ray and Toshiba and Microsoft have backed HD DVD"

that makes BD seem like it's fighting an uphill battle...

I couldn't read anymore after that..

why Philips out of all of the companies (not studios) that support BD...

Probably because Sony and Philips are the fathers of the Audio CD, and both are considered in their respective markets the two best makers of video screens (Sony even more so generally).

This being said, it is true that the BDA has a lot more members than those two, the most telling to me ( coming from the Professional Broadcast video milieu) is the alliance between Sony and Matsushita, two ancient "ennemies", on a common format.

[jorg]

Originally Posted by The Don

the article threw me off when I read "Sony and Phillips are behind Blu-ray and Toshiba and Microsoft have backed HD DVD"

that makes BD seem like it's fighting an uphill battle...

I couldn't read anymore after that..

why Philips out of all of the companies (not studios) that support BD...

philips is a main creator of blu-ray its sony philips and panny