Full Frame 4K UHD Blu-rays?

[LettuceJUMP]

I'm sorry if there is already a topic for this but I did look through.

I recently bought a Sharp 4K 70" TV and the xbox one S.

I also picked up X-Men days of future past, deadpool and spider-man 2.
(I'm a superhero guy)

I tested them out, and while they look beautiful, they are shot extra wide, leaving me with black bars on top and bottom. Is there anywhere a list of 4K UHD Blu-rays that fill the full frame of the screen?

Also, I later realized about HDR and how my tv does not support it. Is this a huge deal, and should I be looking to replace my TV after only owning for 3 months, or is the 4K upgrade enough?

Thanks for all your help!

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by LettuceJUMP

I'm sorry if there is already a topic for this but I did look through.

I recently bought a Sharp 4K 70" TV and the xbox one S.

I also picked up X-Men days of future past, deadpool and spider-man 2.
(I'm a superhero guy)

I tested them out, and while they look beautiful, they are shot extra wide, leaving me with black bars on top and bottom. Is there anywhere a list of 4K UHD Blu-rays that fill the full frame of the screen?

Also, I later realized about HDR and how my tv does not support it. Is this a huge deal, and should I be looking to replace my TV after only owning for 3 months, or is the 4K upgrade enough?

Thanks for all your help!

Someone asked a similar question in another UHD thread. Here was my response

Originally Posted by ronboster

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2013/...e-likely-seen/

In the "old days" they called it pan and scan....the studio would release a movie "to fill the screen"...cutting off portions of the image to fill the screen.

You have the ability to zoom in on the image (TV's, dvd or blu ray players usually have the option...typically called "zoom"). But, you would be in the minority or direct opposition to most members that hang out here, any movie or home theater forum.

If you want more information, google the term "aspect ratio".

If you only want to buy movies that "fill your screen's" aspect ratio (16x9), then you need to look up the movies' aspect ratio before purchasing. Those movies that will "fill your screen" will be limited to 1.85 or 1.78.

[Rich1631]

Those movies are shot 2.35:1. If you want movies that cover the entire screen you need to look for a zoom option on your TV but the image quality may suffer. Movies shot 1.78:1 - 1:85:1 will fill the screen. Most "big" movies aren't shot in that ratio, though.

Also imo, HDR is really the main reason for buying a 4K. You are still getting an improvement by jumping to 4K over 1080p but the HDR makes huge difference. However, buying another 4K TV after 3 months is crazy just for HDR.

[imsounoriginal]

Joy is 1.85:1, it'll fill the screen except for sliver-like black bars at the top and bottom. I think Angry Birds Movie is also the same.

As for HDR -- from what I understand, yeah it's a pretty big deal. Especially since the vast majority of movies on UHDs don't even come from 4K DIs, so HDR/wider color gamut really is the USP.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by LettuceJUMP

I'm sorry if there is already a topic for this but I did look through.

I recently bought a Sharp 4K 70" TV and the xbox one S.

I also picked up X-Men days of future past, deadpool and spider-man 2.
(I'm a superhero guy)

I tested them out, and while they look beautiful, they are shot extra wide, leaving me with black bars on top and bottom. Is there anywhere a list of 4K UHD Blu-rays that fill the full frame of the screen?

Also, I later realized about HDR and how my tv does not support it. Is this a huge deal, and should I be looking to replace my TV after only owning for 3 months, or is the 4K upgrade enough?

Thanks for all your help!

If you are picking films based on cinema aspect ratios along... you are losing out on seeing a lot of fantastic movies shot in wider than 1.85:1 ratios.


Either start living with the black bars or return your Sharp and get a projector and screen with a masking system. Or choose a scope (2.35:1) ratio screen and buy a projector that allows you to have power zoom memory.

BIG picture, and the bars are eliminated without chopping the sides of the picture off.

The complete system would probably be around the same price you paid for your 70" or maybe just a little more.

[xxBachelor1981xx]

Originally Posted by LettuceJUMP

I'm sorry if there is already a topic for this but I did look through.

I recently bought a Sharp 4K 70" TV and the xbox one S.

I also picked up X-Men days of future past, deadpool and spider-man 2.
(I'm a superhero guy)

I tested them out, and while they look beautiful, they are shot extra wide, leaving me with black bars on top and bottom. Is there anywhere a list of 4K UHD Blu-rays that fill the full frame of the screen?

Also, I later realized about HDR and how my tv does not support it. Is this a huge deal, and should I be looking to replace my TV after only owning for 3 months, or is the 4K upgrade enough?

Thanks for all your help!

Here is a list of some movies I know are 4K Full Screen, Angry Birds, Smurfs 2, Star Trek Into Darkness Imax Scenes, In The Heart and the sea.

[LettuceJUMP]

Thank you for all of your responses. I understand the difference in aspect ratios, just wasn't sure if there was a list out there. Most epic big budget films with beautiful cinematography are 2:35 wider framed I've noticed.

I think angry birds and smurfs 2, and most animated/family films are done this way.

Wow so the wide colors of HDR is a big deal. Aww shucks, I'm going to miss out on that till I upgrade again.

#earlyadopterproblems

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by LettuceJUMP

Thank you for all of your responses. I understand the difference in aspect ratios, just wasn't sure if there was a list out there. Most epic big budget films with beautiful cinematography are 2:35 wider framed I've noticed.

I think angry birds and smurfs 2, and most animated/family films are done this way.

Wow so the wide colors of HDR is a big deal. Aww shucks, I'm going to miss out on that till I upgrade again.

#earlyadopterproblems

Finding the aspect ratio of any film is as easy as "google"...no need for a master list.

[Brad1963]

I don't understand, have you just started buying discs? The aspect ratios have the been same essentially forever.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by LettuceJUMP

Thank you for all of your responses. I understand the difference in aspect ratios, just wasn't sure if there was a list out there. Most epic big budget films with beautiful cinematography are 2:35 wider framed I've noticed.

I think angry birds and smurfs 2, and most animated/family films are done this way.

Wow so the wide colors of HDR is a big deal. Aww shucks, I'm going to miss out on that till I upgrade again.

#earlyadopterproblems

If you just purchased the Sharp, you ought to return it and get a 10 bit HDR capable 4k display. Sharp doesn't make very good TV's anyway. You also should look at Epson's new E-shift 4k projectors as well.

[Codec]

While I would never be for cropping an image to fill my screen, I do love it when premium cable channels air open matte versions that fill my 16:9 screen WITHOUT cropping anything. I would absolutely love it if those open matte versions could be offered as alternative BDs (even at a premium) since out of all the open matte movies I've watched they have enriched my viewing experience rather than detracted from it. But alas, I have to deal with bitrate starved broadcasts for now.

And I am aware of the example image of A Fish Called Wanda where the open matte version shows things that don't jive with exposition. And other examples show boom mics and so forth. But I have yet to see this in any open matte versions. I particularly LOVE the open matte version of The Gladiator

I prefer to use all inches of my display and for the content to fill my screen. But I grit my teeth and tolerate the black bars if and only if there is no open matte version at my disposal.

As I recall, when 4:3 was the norm most directors would opt for 16:9 or something very close to 16:9.. but once 16:9 became the norm they went even wider. Really makes me wonder sometimes... If 2.35:1 displays become the norm I wouldn't be surprised if directors went even wider. It's make me wonder if some of them have a hostility to people watching movies at home.

That said, for those that don't mind cropping, I recommend setting up an HTPC and using MPC-HC or MPC-BE via a BD-RE drive with the madVR video renderer. It offers an easy way to zoom without stretching. madVR can also be configured to automatically zoom to fill your screen. It detects areas that would have black bars and zooms accordingly to your desktop's resolution. Not to mention it has excellent scaling ability to, for example, upscale a 1080p BD to 2160p/4K using very fancy algorithms that put expensive hardware scalers to shame.

I would recommend e-mailing or otherwise contacting distributors and asking for open matte UHD-BDs to be made available. That's really all you can do in hopes of them providing such for sale. Voice your opinion to them directly and hope enough others have done so to warrant releasing alternate open matte versions. You could also find a display and/or UHD player that has decent zoom controls. But honestly it is far better to invest in an HTPC and hook it up to your 4K display if you're wanting to do that as the open source video players offer A LOT of options in this regard that far exceed what any display or hardware set top player can do in my experience.

I should note that IMAX versions will fill your screen, but more often than not IMAX versions only have some of the scenes in 16:9 which are mixed with non-IMAX scenes which are 2.35:1 or some other wider aspect ratio. Interstellar comes to mind as an example of a BD that mixes IMAX with non-IMAX.

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by Codec

It's make me wonder if some of them (directors) have a hostility to people watching movies at home. .

[Dragun]

Originally Posted by Codec

I prefer to use all inches of my display and for the content to fill my screen. But I grit my teeth and tolerate the black bars if and only if there is no open matte version at my disposal.

SIGH...this mentality is still around. Your TV is one shape, but movies come in multiple shapes. Watch movies in their intended aspect ratios. There's more to the watching experience than using all the pixels on your screen.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Codec

While I would never be for cropping an image to fill my screen, I do love it when premium cable channels air open matte versions that fill my 16:9 screen WITHOUT cropping anything. I would absolutely love it if those open matte versions could be offered as alternative BDs (even at a premium) since out of all the open matte movies I've watched they have enriched my viewing experience rather than detracted from it. But alas, I have to deal with bitrate starved broadcasts for now.

And I am aware of the example image of A Fish Called Wanda where the open matte version shows things that don't jive with exposition. And other examples show boom mics and so forth. But I have yet to see this in any open matte versions. I particularly LOVE the open matte version of The Gladiator

I prefer to use all inches of my display and for the content to fill my screen. But I grit my teeth and tolerate the black bars if and only if there is no open matte version at my disposal.

As I recall, when 4:3 was the norm most directors would opt for 16:9 or something very close to 16:9.. but once 16:9 became the norm they went even wider. Really makes me wonder sometimes... If 2.35:1 displays become the norm I wouldn't be surprised if directors went even wider. It's make me wonder if some of them have a hostility to people watching movies at home.

That said, for those that don't mind cropping, I recommend setting up an HTPC and using MPC-HC or MPC-BE via a BD-RE drive with the madVR video renderer. It offers an easy way to zoom without stretching. madVR can also be configured to automatically zoom to fill your screen. It detects areas that would have black bars and zooms accordingly to your desktop's resolution. Not to mention it has excellent scaling ability to, for example, upscale a 1080p BD to 2160p/4K using very fancy algorithms that put expensive hardware scalers to shame.

I would recommend e-mailing or otherwise contacting distributors and asking for open matte UHD-BDs to be made available. That's really all you can do in hopes of them providing such for sale. Voice your opinion to them directly and hope enough others have done so to warrant releasing alternate open matte versions. You could also find a display and/or UHD player that has decent zoom controls. But honestly it is far better to invest in an HTPC and hook it up to your 4K display if you're wanting to do that as the open source video players offer A LOT of options in this regard that far exceed what any display or hardware set top player can do in my experience.

I should note that IMAX versions will fill your screen, but more often than not IMAX versions only have some of the scenes in 16:9 which are mixed with non-IMAX scenes which are 2.35:1 or some other wider aspect ratio. Interstellar comes to mind as an example of a BD that mixes IMAX with non-IMAX.

[Dex Robinson]

Originally Posted by Codec

...
I would recommend e-mailing or otherwise contacting distributors and asking for open matte UHD-BDs to be made available. ...

Yeah...that's a plan.

[DJR662]

I actually prefer the wider aspect ratio of 2.35:1 over 1.85:1

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by ronboster

Finding the aspect ratio of any film is as easy as "google"...no need for a master list.

find the aspect ratio of discs on this site too, BDs and UHDs. :>

As for UHD HDR my opinion is the TV has to have a real static contrast ratio of 12 f/stops (4000:1) or more to take real advantage of HDR (High dContrast Ratio) not just accept the signal.

[BozQ]

Don't TVs now come with a crop feature?

Oh, and I'm OAR all the way. Nothing to argue there.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by DJR662

I actually prefer the wider aspect ratio of 2.35:1 over 1.85:1

Me too.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Oh, and I'm OAR all the way. Nothing to argue there.

Indeed.

They should have got rid of the zoom function ability in TVs a long time ago.