Superman Returns???

[OneBigJedi]

Just wondering if anyone else has noticed that Superman Returns seems to have disappeared! I had pre-ordered it from DVD Planet, it now does not show as even coming out.

I also, checked DVD Empire, and DeepDiscountDVD. The title has also disappeared from their site.

Anyone have any info?

[Dave]

What happened with your preorder?

[bferr1]

Can't seem to find any mention of Superman Returns on Amazon in any format, for that matter, except for a 24-pack of the DVD.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_d/...perman+Returns

[GoldenRedux]

CD Universe still has it listed and my pre-order is still active:

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinf...le=movie&BAB=E

[OneBigJedi]

They just deleated the Pre-Order. And, the disc does not show up at all on their search.

[GoldenRedux]

Just to make sure, I cancelled my pre-order at Cd Universe and ordered it again. It went through without any problems.

[Josh]

Superman is back up for purchase, but the Blu-ray version doesn't have the TrueHD track. What a waste. I can't fathom why they would remove the track, and even after they did, how the damn thing didn't fit on a BD-25.

[JTK]

I saw your post at AVS for this, Josh.

The HD-DVD fanboys are going to have a field day with you on that.


Same question: Does this have uncompressed PCM?




At this point, on both formats...how many TrueHD discs are out there and projected for the forseeable future?

I don't feel like I've heard much about it one way or the other.

[Josh]

Originally Posted by JTK

I saw your post at AVS for this, Josh.

The HD-DVD fanboys are going to have a field day with you on that.


Same question: Does this have uncompressed PCM?

No, not according to the specs.

[56@Yamamoto]

Hello. I'm in Japan. I heard some slight technical stoies about this issue.

Warner seems to have some problems about their encode process of trueHD on HD DVDs. For example, "The Perfect Storm" has DD-EX mix with surround back channel, but it's TrueHD stream dosen't have surround back channel. Warner's other DD-EX titles ,also.
As a matter of fact, HD DVD can use one of two kinds of streams at TrueHD. One is FBA stream, which is standard for movie soundtrack purpose, up to 7.1ch, it's bitrate is up to 18.0Mbps. And it has dialogue normalization function and dynamic range control function. Another is FBB stream, which is full compatible with MLP multichannel stream of DVD-Audio format, up to 5.1ch, it's bitrate is up to 9.6Mbps, no dialogue normalization, no dynamic range control.
It seems to me that Warner uses only FBB streams their audio encode of trueHD. Or they will have surround back channel on their DD-EX titles on trueHD sound channels.

An important thing is, that Blu-ray can use only FBA stream on its format definition. I don't know why, but I think probably FBA stream is superior to FBB in every respect. And FBB stream cannot be directly transported to FBA stream. So in this Warner's case, I'm afraid unless Warner changes their trueHD encoding to FBA stream or unless someone(most likely Dolby labo.) develop stream translate tool, Warner's BR titles cannot have trueHD audio tracks. I hope this issue resolved soon, honestly.
I rather doubt the current authoring tool Warner using cannot handle FBA tureHD stream.(For contrast, Sonic Scenarist can do it.)

It is not happy thought for me, but I will purchase "Superman Returns", "Matrix"trilogy, and "Harry Potter"series BRs in spite of their omission of Dolby trueHD audio tracks.

Please forgive me for my broken English. Good night! (In Japan, it's evening.)

[Josh]

Welcome to the forum. An excellent first post!

That is some great information. The Warner website even lists the audio as MLP, so going by what you said, they are definitely using FBB, and if Blu-ray doesn't support it, that would make perfect sense why it wasn't included.

Thanks again for the great info.

[Deciazulado]

Great informative first post! Welcome 56@Yamamoto!

[Spankey]

Yep, great info. I knew this had something to do with the encode. I still think Warner is catering to the lowest common denominator and if they can't do a straight copy from one format to another they will drop things from Blu-ray. It's a shame, since Warner is then limiting their releases to 30gb on one disc. They should have replaced the Dolby track with PCM. After all, they only have 20gb to play with.

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by 56@Yamamoto

Hello. I'm in Japan. I heard some slight technical stoies about this issue.

Warner seems to have some problems about their encode process of trueHD on HD DVDs. For example, "The Perfect Storm" has DD-EX mix with surround back channel, but it's TrueHD stream dosen't have surround back channel. Warner's other DD-EX titles ,also.
As a matter of fact, HD DVD can use one of two kinds of streams at TrueHD. One is FBA stream, which is standard for movie soundtrack purpose, up to 7.1ch, it's bitrate is up to 18.0Mbps. And it has dialogue normalization function and dynamic range control function. Another is FBB stream, which is full compatible with MLP multichannel stream of DVD-Audio format, up to 5.1ch, it's bitrate is up to 9.6Mbps, no dialogue normalization, no dynamic range control.
It seems to me that Warner uses only FBB streams their audio encode of trueHD. Or they will have surround back channel on their DD-EX titles on trueHD sound channels.

An important thing is, that Blu-ray can use only FBA stream on its format definition. I don't know why, but I think probably FBA stream is superior to FBB in every respect. And FBB stream cannot be directly transported to FBA stream. So in this Warner's case, I'm afraid unless Warner changes their trueHD encoding to FBA stream or unless someone(most likely Dolby labo.) develop stream translate tool, Warner's BR titles cannot have trueHD audio tracks. I hope this issue resolved soon, honestly.
I rather doubt the current authoring tool Warner using cannot handle FBA tureHD stream.(For contrast, Sonic Scenarist can do it.)

It is not happy thought for me, but I will purchase "Superman Returns", "Matrix"trilogy, and "Harry Potter"series BRs in spite of their omission of Dolby trueHD audio tracks.

Please forgive me for my broken English. Good night! (In Japan, it's evening.)

Welcome to the forum and thank you for that informative post.

Now it all makes sense to me why Warner keeps dropping things from their Blu-ray releases.

[PeterTHX]

I also think its because Warner "wants" HD DVD to win, they get patent money and initially supported HD DVD. They were the main software pusher behind the format when things were being spec'ed.

[Deciazulado]

Still, 640kbs DD is better than the theatrical Dolby AC-3 sound.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I also think its because Warner "wants" HD DVD to win, they get patent money and initially supported HD DVD. They were the main software pusher behind the format when things were being spec'ed.

This kind of foolishness might end up biting them in the ass some day down the road and frankly, I hope it does.

If you're going to support both formats, be fair and do it right all the way for both formats.

[BTBuck1]

After Mission Impossible 3 BD (Dolby Digital) and Total Recall (DTS-HD) downsampled to DTS via the samsungs analog outs, I am no longer worried about "advanced codecs" maybe my system doesn't have the dynamic range to apprecciate the difference, but I just don't find "Tru HD" all that more impressive than DD, DD+, DTS or especially LPCM.

I think all these codecs can shine, if they just crank up the bit rate on them. I'm anxious to find out what MI3 is at, because it sounds phenomenal on my Pioneer receiver/Sony towers.

[Josh]

No offense Brian, but those Sony speakers have absolutely horrendous specs. You are right, they don't have the dynamic range to appreciate the advanced stuff.

[phloyd]

I expect that my setup won't take advantage much either.

That said I have enjoyed the audio on the discs I have looked at to date.