HD-DVD class action lawsuit? - Blu-ray Forum

Iceman_II · 01-09-2008, 10:55 PM

Should HD-DVD owners band together to initiate a class action lawsuit against Toshiba, Microsoft, and Ken Grafeo for lying to them over the last 6 months with the intention of duping them into buying into their format?

JohnGalt · 01-09-2008, 11:17 PM

As any prosecutor will tell you: you can indict a ham sandwich but convicting it may present a bit of a problem. I can see it being filed but I doubt it's a winner.

stockstar1138 · 01-09-2008, 11:23 PM

i voted for only against ms, but only under one condition.

the judge in the case is the honorable michael bay,.

hc666 · 01-09-2008, 11:24 PM

Buyer beware all the way in this case.

clyon · 01-09-2008, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hc666

Buyer beware all the way in this case.

+1

Whytewash · 01-09-2008, 11:26 PM

nothing would come of it and I guarantee it will never happen!

Heres what I'm challenging anyone here to do:

Find an HD DVD owner who cares enough to file such a lawsuit.

I dont think that you will find one who cares enough. Now find someone to defend them.

Their opening statement would sound something like this:

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, my client(s) have been lied to. They have been deceived by the media. They were told that they were buying the technological advances of the future and here they are; frusterated and livid at the fact that they wasted $99 on a player of the next generation $99!! Ask yourselves this concerned citizens, how can you let this go? There are litterally thousands of people that spent their hard earned money on this technology and now it is gone!... etc, etc...."

Im tired of typing it but you get the idea. It cant and wont happen

PeechCobblerPie · 01-09-2008, 11:27 PM

I'm confused. What exactly could you sue them for? Being an idiot and not gathering information about the format?

OokieSpookie · 01-09-2008, 11:28 PM

For f*cks sake will you people stfu about lawsuits.
Do you not think that Warner knows what in the hell that they are doing, and have lawyers who checked every detail?
All the poor little reds getting all butt hurt and choking on their bitter tears...
Where was all of this talk when Paramount went blu hmm?
Next person to type about some lawsuit thing needs to be throat punched until uncouncious.

Sylin · 01-09-2008, 11:30 PM

It'll never happen, and if it does, it'll be shallow and ill-conceived.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if Toshiba, Microsoft, Best Buy, Blockbuster, Paramount, the makers of Advil, gray aliens from Mars (not the greens, just the grays), Apple's iTunes, the state of California, my cousin Larry and Halliburton are all named as defendants.

If you're gonna go tort, go big!

reiella · 01-09-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ikcizokm

It'll never happen, and if it does, it'll be shallow and ill-conceived.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if Toshiba, Microsoft, Best Buy, Blockbuster, Paramount, the makers of Advil, gray aliens from Mars (not the greens, just the grays), Apple's iTunes, the state of California, my cousin Larry and Halliburton are all named as defendants.

If you're gonna go tort, go big!

If you can file a claim for 3 quadrillion dollars of damages caused in Baker LA from Katrina...

Locklain · 01-09-2008, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeechCobblerPie

I'm confused. What exactly could you sue them for? Being an idiot and not gathering information about the format?

False advertisement

mikesoba · 01-09-2008, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeechCobblerPie

I'm confused. What exactly could you sue them for? Being an idiot and not gathering information about the format?

Isn't that the basis for most US lawsuits?

Mericalis · 01-09-2008, 11:46 PM

I voted no...why? Because we've been telling all the little Red ants that they should be investing in Blu-ray all this time. Tosh., M$ and anyone else involved in the lawsuit will say, "We gave the facts as we saw it (Exhibit A1-B19: charts and graphs presented here) and we felt we were not lying to anyone or misleading them. With this evidence and proof, we must point out that the consumer themselves made the choice--as we have hoped they would since the inception of the HD DVD format--we did not force the consumer to buy anything. In fact, we (insert another word for dumped so that they will keep out of trouble) over 90,000 units back around Thanksgiving 2007 in hopes that it would help the consumers."

In the end, the consumer will be seen more at fault than the corporations themselves and we will hear something in the news about almost 500,000 HD DVD Fanbois and a few unfortunate people who are crying their eyes out because they lost the lawsuit.

Sorry, but that is the harsh reality that I'm sure would happen.

miokti · 01-09-2008, 11:50 PM

i don't think a class action lawsuit will succeed... for one thing, both Blu and HD-DVD were advertising, and it is the consumer that made the choice between the two formats. You are accountable for the choices that you made.

Iceman_II · 01-09-2008, 11:52 PM

Don't get me wrong, I am a firm believer in caveat emptor... but that DOES NOT relieve a company from being held accountable for LYING to consumers. And a fair case can be made that all three, Tosh, M$, and Grafeo have lied repeatedly!

OokieSpookie · 01-09-2008, 11:57 PM

How have they lied?
They may be running a sinking ship but at no time have they lied.

SavagePotato · 01-09-2008, 11:59 PM

Considering people on AVS were threatening to sue eachother for fud, as well as kill eachother, it's no doubt a possibility some unbalanced individuals will try.

Sigmar_X · 01-10-2008, 12:00 AM

I'm not sure. I think those of us by us I mean Blu-Ray and HD-DVD that purchased while the format war was going on all took a leap of faith.

One we knew could end for either party. Luckily for us we won. I know if the tables had gone red, I'd be upset, but I'd have no one to blame but myself. People need to start accepting their own mistakes and stop trying to blame others all the time.

miokti · 01-10-2008, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceman_II

Don't get me wrong, I am a firm believer in caveat emptor... but that DOES NOT relieve a company from being held accountable for LYING to consumers. And a fair case can be made that all three, Tosh, M$, and Grafeo have lied repeatedly!

if they're suing everyone who lied to them... shouldn't they also target rdjam and amir? All Toshi did was present their product. rdjam and amir misled the HD-DVD folks into buying into Toshiba's lame product.

Blu-Raider · 01-10-2008, 12:15 AM

I call BS. This country is too friggin' lawsuit happy.

View Poll Results: Should HD-DVD owners institute a class action lawsuit?
Heck yes!!!	20	12.27%
Possibly	7	4.29%
No	92	56.44%
Only against Toshiba	11	6.75%
Only against Microsoft (with Amir as a co-defendant)	21	12.88%
Only against Ken Grafeo	12	7.36%
Voters: 163. You may not vote on this poll

01-09-2008, 10:55 PM	#1
Iceman_II Expert Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Ft. Worth Home Theater Gallery:2 Blu-ray collection:308 Blu-ray reviews: 4	HD-DVD class action lawsuit? Should HD-DVD owners band together to initiate a class action lawsuit against Toshiba, Microsoft, and Ken Grafeo for lying to them over the last 6 months with the intention of duping them into buying into their format?

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01-09-2008, 11:17 PM	#2
JohnGalt Senior Member Member since:Sep 2007 Trading Score:4	As any prosecutor will tell you: you can indict a ham sandwich but convicting it may present a bit of a problem. I can see it being filed but I doubt it's a winner.

01-09-2008, 11:23 PM	#3
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	i voted for only against ms, but only under one condition. the judge in the case is the honorable michael bay,.

01-09-2008, 11:24 PM	#4
hc666 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Nov 2007 Home Theater Gallery:7 Blu-ray collection:100 Blu-ray reviews: 26	Buyer beware all the way in this case.

01-09-2008, 11:26 PM	#6
Whytewash Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:'Couve, WA Blu-ray collection:60 Blu-ray reviews:1	nothing would come of it and I guarantee it will never happen! Heres what I'm challenging anyone here to do: Find an HD DVD owner who cares enough to file such a lawsuit. I dont think that you will find one who cares enough. Now find someone to defend them. Their opening statement would sound something like this: "Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, my client(s) have been lied to. They have been deceived by the media. They were told that they were buying the technological advances of the future and here they are; frusterated and livid at the fact that they wasted $99 on a player of the next generation $99!! Ask yourselves this concerned citizens, how can you let this go? There are litterally thousands of people that spent their hard earned money on this technology and now it is gone!... etc, etc...." Im tired of typing it but you get the idea. It cant and wont happen

01-09-2008, 11:27 PM	#7
PeechCobblerPie Banned Member since:Dec 2007 Blu-ray reviews:2	I'm confused. What exactly could you sue them for? Being an idiot and not gathering information about the format?

01-09-2008, 11:28 PM	#8
OokieSpookie Banned Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:1	For f*cks sake will you people stfu about lawsuits. Do you not think that Warner knows what in the hell that they are doing, and have lawyers who checked every detail? All the poor little reds getting all butt hurt and choking on their bitter tears... Where was all of this talk when Paramount went blu hmm? Next person to type about some lawsuit thing needs to be throat punched until uncouncious.

01-09-2008, 11:30 PM	#9
Sylin Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Nashville Blu-ray collection:1 Trading Score:159	It'll never happen, and if it does, it'll be shallow and ill-conceived. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Toshiba, Microsoft, Best Buy, Blockbuster, Paramount, the makers of Advil, gray aliens from Mars (not the greens, just the grays), Apple's iTunes, the state of California, my cousin Larry and Halliburton are all named as defendants. If you're gonna go tort, go big!

01-09-2008, 11:46 PM	#13
Mericalis Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Texas Blu-ray collection:232 DVD collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:5	I voted no...why? Because we've been telling all the little Red ants that they should be investing in Blu-ray all this time. Tosh., M$ and anyone else involved in the lawsuit will say, "We gave the facts as we saw it (Exhibit A1-B19: charts and graphs presented here) and we felt we were not lying to anyone or misleading them. With this evidence and proof, we must point out that the consumer themselves made the choice--as we have hoped they would since the inception of the HD DVD format--we did not force the consumer to buy anything. In fact, we (insert another word for dumped so that they will keep out of trouble) over 90,000 units back around Thanksgiving 2007 in hopes that it would help the consumers." In the end, the consumer will be seen more at fault than the corporations themselves and we will hear something in the news about almost 500,000 HD DVD Fanbois and a few unfortunate people who are crying their eyes out because they lost the lawsuit. Sorry, but that is the harsh reality that I'm sure would happen.

01-09-2008, 11:50 PM	#14
miokti Expert Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:San Diego, CA	i don't think a class action lawsuit will succeed... for one thing, both Blu and HD-DVD were advertising, and it is the consumer that made the choice between the two formats. You are accountable for the choices that you made.

01-09-2008, 11:52 PM	#15
Iceman_II Expert Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Ft. Worth Home Theater Gallery:2 Blu-ray collection:308 Blu-ray reviews: 4	Don't get me wrong, I am a firm believer in caveat emptor... but that DOES NOT relieve a company from being held accountable for LYING to consumers. And a fair case can be made that all three, Tosh, M$, and Grafeo have lied repeatedly!

01-09-2008, 11:57 PM	#16
OokieSpookie Banned Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:1	How have they lied? They may be running a sinking ship but at no time have they lied.

01-09-2008, 11:59 PM	#17
SavagePotato Active Member Member since:Jul 2007	Considering people on AVS were threatening to sue eachother for fud, as well as kill eachother, it's no doubt a possibility some unbalanced individuals will try.

01-10-2008, 12:00 AM	#18
Sigmar_X Member Member since:Oct 2007	I'm not sure. I think those of us by us I mean Blu-Ray and HD-DVD that purchased while the format war was going on all took a leap of faith. One we knew could end for either party. Luckily for us we won. I know if the tables had gone red, I'd be upset, but I'd have no one to blame but myself. People need to start accepting their own mistakes and stop trying to blame others all the time.

01-10-2008, 12:15 AM	#20
Blu-Raider Expert Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Dark Side of the Moon Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:64 Blu-ray reviews:2	I call BS. This country is too friggin' lawsuit happy.

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