2020 TV Shootout Evaluation event

[Robert Zohn]

I signed on with CE Week NYC again for our 2020 TV Shootout Evaluation event. The dates/times are June 10, 2020 from 9am - 5pm and June 11th from 9am - 3pm.

Very impressive lineup of 2020 TVs and our expert presenters and professional judges. This year we're hosting two TV Shootouts. The premium flagship 4K LCD/LED and OLED TVs for our 2020 4K HDR TV Shootout and separately we'll be hosting our 2020 8K HDR TV Shootout.

At the conclusion of the two TV Shootouts we'll position the King of 4K TV for 2020 butt next to the King of 8K TV so our presenters, judges and the attendees can personally see for themselves what differences they see between the two displays. To compare the best 4K against the best 8K TV we'll be viewing the following content:

• Various 4K HDR Blu-ray discs
• Native 8K HDR content with the same content down res'd to 4K, both on a USB drive
• 8K test patterns with the same test patterns in 4K resolution

I'd be very happy to accommodate as many Blu-ray.com members that can attend join us.

Stay tuned for more updates on the TVs and list of our very impressive top video expert presenters and professional judges.

[Robert Zohn]

Here's the link to CE Week's web page.

[Robert Zohn]

Reserved

[ray0414]

Will there be a final winner between the 4k king and 8k king?

[Robert Zohn]

No, but that is a good idea. My objective is to demonstrate the visual differences between the best 4K against the best 8K TV so we finally answer the question; "Does a 8K TV have value when viewed at a distance that is beyond the human visual acuity".

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

No, but that is a good idea. My objective is to demonstrate the visual differences between the best 4K against the best 8K TV so we finally answer the question; "Does a 8K TV have value when viewed at a distance that is beyond the human visual acuity".

Based on personal experience, I’m thinking you already know the answer to that.
? do any of our members have access to this - https://www.nhk.or.jp/bs4k8k/8k/

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

No, but that is a good idea. My objective is to demonstrate the visual differences between the best 4K against the best 8K TV so we finally answer the question; "Does a 8K TV have value when viewed at a distance that is beyond the human visual acuity".

So the plan is to have co-winners?

[Robert Zohn]

Yes, we'll have the "2020 King of 4K TV" and a "2020 King of 8K TV".

The comparison as the end of both 2020 TV Shootouts is to answer the questions about the perceived picture quality advantages of the best 8K TV vs. the best 4K TV.

[wesslan]

For 4K oled side it seems kind of small group to have a shootout for. No new top sony oled yet and no panasonic since US.

[Robert Zohn]

For the past 15 years of producing the TV Shootout Evaluation event it's been 4 to a max of 6 TVs competing every year. With the 4K and 8K TVs this year we'll have 8 TVs demonstrated.

I'm also looking forward to the extra agenda of comparing the two best TVs in each category, 4K and 8K. Here's a little more on what we added this year to our event.

At the end of the two TV Shootouts we're moving the best 4K TV butt next to the best 8K TV to see performance differences. We'll see what if anything the 8K TV's better video up-conversion performance and possible improved color fidelity and saturation and color volume and whatever comes from the finer pixel structure of what will likely be 75"/77" or maybe even an 85" TV.

Also on day 2, June 11th we're have a full day to further evaluate the 4K vs. 8K TV with more content and different eyes. We'll also have all of the TV Shootout TVs on display.

Also on day 2 our celebrity talent that are putting on the 2020 TV Shootout will be in the TV Shootout room so they can mingle with the visitors and media as well as participate in a video education agenda we're working on. We've always had technical but entertaining presentations on the science of video, but this year we're adding new elements to our annual TV evaluation event and better utilizing the two days that we now have available through this deal with CE Week.

So we have the TV Shootout room at the Jacob Javits Convention Center with CE Week with all those beautiful 2020 flagship TVs all surrounded by some of the top video experts and enthusiasts and the state of the art a/v matrix distribution. This is a sight to behold!

[f451]

And new 3D tvs?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by f451

And new 3D tvs?

There are none. The TV manufacturers moved on a while ago. You know this already. The only chance of a revival of 3D for the home would be Autostereoscopic 3D TVs - no glasses needed. Unfortunately very little money, effort or research is being done on it.

[Gillietalls]

Mr. Zohn,

Any chance to get Sony's new mastering monitor (BVM-HX310) for a reference? Now that it's used instead of the OLED, I think would be great.

[Robert Zohn]

We're planning on having the HX310 4K HDR dual cell LCD monitor as our reference display.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

There are none. The TV manufacturers moved on a while ago. You know this already. The only chance of a revival of 3D for the home would be Autostereoscopic 3D TVs - no glasses needed. Unfortunately very little money, effort or research is being done on it.

I believe this was still in the works a while ago in the form of prototypes by a few small companies, but unfortunately not on a grande scale and certainly not by any of the big boys (Sony, LG etc).

A shame really, as glasses free 3D would be something really worthwhile of having on a new TV.

[Jay Mammoth]

Let’s see if LG can win back the crown this year.

[f451]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

There are none. The TV manufacturers moved on a while ago. You know this already. The only chance of a revival of 3D for the home would be Autostereoscopic 3D TVs - no glasses needed. Unfortunately very little money, effort or research is being done on it.

Yes, the 4K ship has sailed but I still have 3D tickets. I enjoy viewing good 3D movies.

IMAX 3D is superb. RealD is simply awful—dark and dismal—a blot on the viewing experience. My aging LG 3D OLED runs rings around RealD. And when my LG dies I’ll hopefully find their C6 or E6 on Craigslist.

How difficult would it be to create an external 3D enabling box that could be plugged into a tv?

[Robert Zohn]

@f451 - I agree on the fun and entertainment from a good 3D movie and I'm on your team on this.

I believe the panel also needs a 3D filter so it's not just the chip being 3D capability and software.

[Staying Salty]

If future displays could support 3D, could the content be streamed, or only on disc?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

If future displays could support 3D, could the content be streamed, or only on disc?

The stream would have to be encoded as Multiview Video Coding (MVC). That's all. Same encoding 3D BD uses. Though UHD BD doesn't support 3D no reason why you couldn't have a 4K 3D movie encoded in MVC and streamed. The mbps required would probably be about 15% higher than 4K HDR stream. That could be substantially reduced if the new VVC compression codec is used.