Disney DVD Question

[Wreck]

I searched the forums first, just so its known ;-)

Just wondering if they are going to utilize that "Disney Vault" thing with Blu-Rays like they have done and still do with reg. DVD?

If your not familiar with what Im talking about, its where they release the movie for only so long and then it goes out of print for like what is it, uh, I believe 10 years.

Also makes me curious, they just retired like 10 movies to the vault in december I believe, does that mean they wont even release those on blu ray for another 10 years....

It sucks to some, but it does keep disney dvds collectors items and values pretty high. esp with resell ;p

Any insight?

[WickyWoo]

Yes

The Vault is format independant

[Wreck]

But still possible for them to utilize it, if they declared it... I guess they wouldnt start it until Blu-Ray really gets rollin'

[SpaceDog]

The vault is a marketing strategy that replace their theatrical rerelease structure. I doubt it'll ever go away. They need to start cycling faster though, DVD didn't last long enough to cycle through the whole collection. Not to say DVD is dead...

[Wreck]

Originally Posted by SpaceDog

The vault is a marketing strategy that replace their theatrical rerelease structure. I doubt it'll ever go away. They need to start cycling faster though, DVD didn't last long enough to cycle through the whole collection. Not to say DVD is dead...

Yeah I agree with that, Every ten years is kinda obserd, how about every 5...

[tofur69]

Disney is notorius for this tactic. Up until the late 80's they used to release most of their MAJOR animated titles at least every 7 years. SNOW WHITE being one of the ones used most. I my lifetime, I have seen it in theatres at least 3 times with the last release in 1987 when I was just a projectionist. It sold out the first couple of weekends. My only gripe of the last couple of releases is that the theatres cropped down the Academy Frame aspect ratio to Flat (1.85:1). The theatres at the time could not open the masking or the aperture to show the proper aspect ratio. At least FANTASIA in 1990 had the proper aspect ratio.

The home video market has completel changed this. Disney created "The Vault" to create a false sense of hype to video releases. "This is your last chance to to get this classic movie before it returns to the vault. Hurry Now". Blah blah blah.

[w_tanoto]

Yes. See it here:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=afuI2TakE84

[ground chuck]

Originally Posted by BigBLUballz

Yeah I agree with that, Every ten years is kinda obserd, how about every 5...

this is how disney makes money, buy keep a control on supply the demand increases. so, every ten years the people that missed the previous release will be buying and then a whole new generation of buyers will be ready to buy as well.

its really pretty ingenious.

[jw]

Originally Posted by SpaceDog

The vault is a marketing strategy that replace their theatrical rerelease structure. I doubt it'll ever go away. They need to start cycling faster though, DVD didn't last long enough to cycle through the whole collection. Not to say DVD is dead...

what title is not on dvd? I think they have covered them all, they are re releasing them now as platinum editions

[Ernest Rister]

The Platinum Titles are:

Snow White (1937)
Pinocchio (1940)
Fantasia (1940)
Bambi (1942)
Cinderella (1950)
Peter Pan (1953)
Lady and the Tramp (1955)
Sleeping Beauty (1959)
101 Dalmatians (1960)
The Jungle Book (1967)
The Little Mermaid (1989)
Beauty and the Beast (1990)
Aladdin (1992)
The Lion King (1994)

That's 14 titles. 2 a year gives you a 7 year cycle, similar to the old theatrical distribution model.

If Disney released 4 a year, then the company's crown jewels will have been dumped on the market in a span of 42 months. I don't see that happening.

I think for the time being, we're going to see the same Platinum 2-a-year model...BUT think about all the great audio/visual wonders that await Blu-Ray outside of the Fabled 14.

In 1990, The Rescuers Down Under knocked me off my feet with its score and visuals. There has never been a decent DVD release of this title. I can't wait to see a Blu-Ray version. That's going to be a personal "must have" the moment it is announced.

Ditto The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Aside from its problematic Gargoyles, this was perhaps the most visually accomplished Disney animated feature since Sleeping Beauty, with an ambition to the staging and layouts not seen since Pinocchio. It's also a must have.

And then there's all the remaining Pixar titles (Toy Story, A Bug's Life, Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc., Finding Nemo, The Incredibles), plus Tron, Tarzan, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Dumbo, Mary Poppins, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Treasure Island, Treasure Planet, The Three Caballeros, Alice in Wonderland, The Black Cauldron (never released with 16:9 enhancement), The Nightmare Before Christmas, Mulan, Hercules, Fantasia 2000, Bedknobs and Broomsticks, The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Darby O'Gill, and scores upon scores of others.

It's more likely we're going to see 4 animated features + Disney live action catalog + 2 platinum titles every year -- like adding whipped cream and sprinkles onto a rich hot chocolate.

So even though I believe we won't be seeing 4 "Platinum" titles a year, we're going to be seeing some fantastic things from Disney Blu-Ray.

Criticism of the 7 year vault cycle is unfounded, in my opinion. Disney has been very aggressive in releasing big name titles on Blu-Ray, with vast and rich supplements. They have a massive catalog of titles outside those 14 animated cultural milestones.

Besides, does anyone else remember Disney's first year of DVD titles? True, you got 101 Dalmatians, Little Mermaid, Jungle Book, Pinocchio and Peter Pan. You also got old transfers, no 16X9 enhancements on wide-screen titles, and supplements that included "Full Color Artwork Printed on the Disc".

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

The Platinum Titles are:

Snow White (1937)
Pinocchio (1940)
Fantasia (1940)
Bambi (1942)
Cinderella (1950)
Peter Pan (1953)
Lady and the Tramp (1955)
Sleeping Beauty (1959)
101 Dalmatians (1960)
The Jungle Book (1967)
The Little Mermaid (1989)
Beauty and the Beast (1990)
Aladdin (1992)
The Lion King (1994)

That's 14 titles. 2 a year gives you a 7 year cycle, similar to the old theatrical distribution model.

If Disney released 4 a year, then the company's crown jewels will have been dumped on the market in a span of 42 months. I don't see that happening.

I think for the time being, we're going to see the same Platinum 2-a-year model...BUT think about all the great audio/visual wonders that await Blu-Ray outside of the Fabled 14.

In 1990, The Rescuers Down Under knocked me off my feet with its score and visuals. There has never been a decent DVD release of this title. I can't wait to see a Blu-Ray version. That's going to be a personal "must have" the moment it is announced.

Ditto The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Aside from its problematic Gargoyles, this was perhaps the most visually accomplished Disney animated feature since Sleeping Beauty, with an ambition to the staging and layouts not seen since Pinocchio. It's also a must have.

And then there's all the remaining Pixar titles (Toy Story, A Bug's Life, Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc., Finding Nemo, The Incredibles), plus Tron, Tarzan, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Dumbo, Mary Poppins, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Treasure Island, Treasure Planet, The Three Caballeros, Alice in Wonderland, The Black Cauldron (never released with 16:9 enhancement), The Nightmare Before Christmas, Mulan, Hercules, Fantasia 2000, Bedknobs and Broomsticks, The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Darby O'Gill, and scores upon scores of others.

It's more likely we're going to see 4 animated features + Disney live action catalog + 2 platinum titles every year -- like adding whipped cream and sprinkles onto a rich hot chocolate.

So even though I believe we won't be seeing 4 "Platinum" titles a year, we're going to be seeing some fantastic things from Disney Blu-Ray.

Criticism of the 7 year vault cycle is unfounded, in my opinion. Disney has been very aggressive in releasing big name titles on Blu-Ray, with vast and rich supplements. They have a massive catalog of titles outside those 14 animated cultural milestones.

Besides, does anyone else remember Disney's first year of DVD titles? True, you got 101 Dalmatians, Little Mermaid, Jungle Book, Pinocchio and Peter Pan. You also got old transfers, no 16X9 enhancements on wide-screen titles, and supplements that included "Full Color Artwork Printed on the Disc".

beauty and the beast is 1991. I'm not sure, but I've heard 101 Dalmatians is 1961, and Cinderella 1951

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

The Platinum Titles are:

Snow White (1937)
Beauty and the Beast (1990)
The Lion King (1994)
Sleeping Beauty (1959)
Cinderella (1950)
Bambi (1942)
Aladdin (1992)
Lady and the Tramp (1955)
The Little Mermaid (1989)
Peter Pan (1953)
The Jungle Book (1967)
101 Dalmatians (1960)
Fantasia (1940)/Fantasia 2000 (2000)
Pinocchio (1940)

(List corrected for proper cycle chronology)

That's 14 titles. 2 a year gives you a 7 year cycle, similar to the old theatrical distribution model.
I think for the time being, we're going to see the same Platinum 2-a-year model...

(At least, for the time being, as long as they're widescreen--Or remastered with greater hi-def detail for earlier IMAX engagements...
By then, they'll have conquered their fears of older titles, or have remastered new prints of pre-Blu Platinums.)

In 1990, The Rescuers Down Under knocked me off my feet with its score and visuals. There has never been a decent DVD release of this title. I can't wait to see a Blu-Ray version. That's going to be a personal "must have" the moment it is announced.

And then, we get into the issue of why some titles were "Platinum", and others merely "Gold"...
(Me, I'm still waiting for an upgraded "Hercules", now that theatrical flop is actually popular on video again, and I'd wager we'd see one years before anyone even remembered Roy's Folly...And for reasons I'm still not quite sure of, I'd also wager we'd see "Dumbo" long before that.
And sorry, I'm afraid widespread studio love for "Hunchback" left with Michael Eisner...He lived for that movie, and few other people at the studio know why.)

It's more likely we're going to see 4 animated features + Disney live action catalog + 2 platinum titles every year -- like adding whipped cream and sprinkles onto a rich hot chocolate.
Besides, does anyone else remember Disney's first year of DVD titles?

Remember? I remember them literally giving old Limited Edition copies away for FREE, as a bonus for buying the first Snow White platinum (think I've even still got that old "Lady/Tramp" copy somewhere on a back shelf). Ah, sweet revenge.

True, you got 101 Dalmatians, Little Mermaid, Jungle Book, Pinocchio and Peter Pan. You also got old transfers, no 16X9 enhancements on wide-screen titles, and supplements that included "Full Color Artwork Printed on the Disc".

Actually, it was just "Full color artwork on disk"...
And I don't know how many fans returning the "defective" disks to the company ("I can't find the artwork!!") may have been deliberate sarcasm, but it may very well have been influential in pink-slipping the DVD-phobic Disney exec who gave us those "Limited Editions" in the first place.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by w_tanoto

beauty and the beast is 1991. I'm not sure, but I've heard 101 Dalmatians is 1961, and Cinderella 1951

Cinderella 1950
Beauty and the Beast 1991
101 Dalmatians 1961

And then, we get into the issue of why some titles were "Platinum", and others merely "Gold"...

Well, it's obvious. The 14 Platinum titles are the 14 highest selling titles on home video. It's that simple. I wish it was based on artistic merit. If that were true, Pinocchio would have been the first Platinum title.

Me, I'm still waiting for an upgraded "Hercules", now that theatrical flop is actually popular on video again, and I'd wager we'd see one years before anyone even remembered Roy's Folly...And for reasons I'm still not quite sure of, I'd also wager we'd see "Dumbo" long before that.
And sorry, I'm afraid widespread studio love for "Hunchback" left with Michael Eisner...He lived for that movie, and few other people at the studio know why.)

Well, if he lived for that movie, it didn't show in the treatment of the film on DVD. It wasn't a direct-from-digital transfer (just like Rescuers Down Under) and the supplements were ported over from the deluxe laserdisc edition...and to add insult to injury, they only ported over some of the laserdisc supplements. I also have to believe there is admiration for the craftsmanship of the film at Disney. It's the high-water mark of modern Disney animation (in terms of staging, art direction, ambition, character animation and design). The only thing that comes close to it is Tarzan. The Rescuers Down Under has ambitious visuals, too - the actual character animation comes up short compared to the original. Despite the lavish praise for their songs and story, The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, and Beauty and the Beast are more perfunctory and workmanlike in their staging than inspired. In fact, in all three, there are moments that are downright sloppy. I don't think that's because of a lack of talent. It's more likely due to a rushed production schedule. The difference between Disney and Pixar is that modern Disney made movies to fit a release date, while Pixar made movies and only released them when they felt the movie was ready. This is why Pixar has earned four Oscar nominations for Screenplay (Toy Story, Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Ratatouille). Disney Feature Animation has never earned an Oscar nomination for writing.

[jw]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

The Platinum Titles are:

Snow White (1937)
Pinocchio (1940)
Fantasia (1940)
Bambi (1942)
Cinderella (1950)
Peter Pan (1953)
Lady and the Tramp (1955)
Sleeping Beauty (1959)
101 Dalmatians (1960)
The Jungle Book (1967)
The Little Mermaid (1989)
Beauty and the Beast (1990)
Aladdin (1992)
The Lion King (1994)

That's 14 titles. 2 a year gives you a 7 year cycle, similar to the old theatrical distribution model.

If Disney released 4 a year, then the company's crown jewels will have been dumped on the market in a span of 42 months. I don't see that happening.

I think for the time being, we're going to see the same Platinum 2-a-year model...BUT think about all the great audio/visual wonders that await Blu-Ray outside of the Fabled 14.

In 1990, The Rescuers Down Under knocked me off my feet with its score and visuals. There has never been a decent DVD release of this title. I can't wait to see a Blu-Ray version. That's going to be a personal "must have" the moment it is announced.

Ditto The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Aside from its problematic Gargoyles, this was perhaps the most visually accomplished Disney animated feature since Sleeping Beauty, with an ambition to the staging and layouts not seen since Pinocchio. It's also a must have.

And then there's all the remaining Pixar titles (Toy Story, A Bug's Life, Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc., Finding Nemo, The Incredibles), plus Tron, Tarzan, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Dumbo, Mary Poppins, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Treasure Island, Treasure Planet, The Three Caballeros, Alice in Wonderland, The Black Cauldron (never released with 16:9 enhancement), The Nightmare Before Christmas, Mulan, Hercules, Fantasia 2000, Bedknobs and Broomsticks, The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Darby O'Gill, and scores upon scores of others.

It's more likely we're going to see 4 animated features + Disney live action catalog + 2 platinum titles every year -- like adding whipped cream and sprinkles onto a rich hot chocolate.

So even though I believe we won't be seeing 4 "Platinum" titles a year, we're going to be seeing some fantastic things from Disney Blu-Ray.

Criticism of the 7 year vault cycle is unfounded, in my opinion. Disney has been very aggressive in releasing big name titles on Blu-Ray, with vast and rich supplements. They have a massive catalog of titles outside those 14 animated cultural milestones.

Besides, does anyone else remember Disney's first year of DVD titles? True, you got 101 Dalmatians, Little Mermaid, Jungle Book, Pinocchio and Peter Pan. You also got old transfers, no 16X9 enhancements on wide-screen titles, and supplements that included "Full Color Artwork Printed on the Disc".

all of these are on dvd at this time, but some are oop at the current time

[Wreck]

I remember the first year of DVD, I came in right after those were all gone and could never get them,they were selling high on ebay ever since. I got an oringal Snow White and Beauty And The Beast though, and like 30 other disneydvds ;p My Black Cauldron is aspect ratio 2:35:1

[photoginit]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Ditto The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Aside from its problematic Gargoyles, this was perhaps the most visually accomplished Disney animated feature since Sleeping Beauty, with an ambition to the staging and layouts not seen since Pinocchio. It's also a must have.

I am glad I am not the only one who thinks Hunchback is one of Disney's best animated movies. Unfortunately, the dvd for it is not that great. It is one of the few modern Disney animated DVD's that did not get a straight from digital transfer. It does have a great commentary track. But to get a new transfer and and upgrade in the audio would be awesome.

I would not be surprised if we get Toy Story 1 and 2 next spring cause Toy Story 3 will be coming to theaters in Summer 2009. However, I can't wait for The Incredibles. That was my demo disk when I wanted to show people how awesome my home theater projector is. I can't wait to see what that movie would look and sound like on Blu Ray.

[johnnymech]

Originally Posted by tofur69

Disney created "The Vault" to create a false sense of hype to video releases.

You mean there isn't an actual vault that stores Disney magical treasures one can only imagine? Next you'll tell me that Disneyworld's "Year of a Million Dreams" has been going on for two years already.

[Jeff Swearingen]

Originally Posted by BigBLUballz

My Black Cauldron is aspect ratio 2:35:1

It's supposed to be 2.35:1 - that was Black Cauldron's OAR. The release was non-anamorphic, which is the main problem. It'd be wonderful if they could include all the footage that Katzenberg excised before it was released at least as a deleted scene.

[DOPEY]

disney's 101 dalmation platinum edition scheduled to be released on dvd in march

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by DOPEY

disney's 101 dalmation platinum edition scheduled to be released on dvd in march

done my pre-order. wish it on blu-ray. I owned it on VCD. Also recently pre-ordered Aristocats special edition (I owned Aristocats DVD - regular edition)