plasma vs. projection

[andyn1080]

ok im looking into getting another hdtv, im really really picky about PQ so from what everyone has said i should either go with a plasma or a projector/projection box with a 100" white screen. which one is best? and do plasmas get burn-in? i play alot of sports game for hours (they have the score board on all the time). ive heard that plasmas have the brightest and most vivid PQ is that true? i saw the pionneer 60" elite and it blew me away and so did the 8000.00 price tag! please help me with advice. thanks

[PLASMA-1080P-FULLHD]

Okie, First of all plasma dose have the best vivid PQ and black levels but not necessary brightest IMO. I tend to think LCD is brighter cause it has back lights but that dose not really effect the overall PQ. U dont want the picture to e too bright. It will look unnatural. Plasma burn in issue is the thing in the past already. It should not be concern anymore. As far as PIONEER, Yes it dose carry some really pricy tags but their PLAMA PQ is really awesome. U can allways look into other plasma maker such as Panasonic. Their plasma is just as good as anything else without paying the hih price tag like Pioneer. U cant really go wrong with the 2 P's . I do alot gaming on my plasma and it has no problem and the PQ is just imazing. Crystal clear! I think it all come down with how much u can afford and what size u r looking for.

[nhaase]

The pioneer plasma I think has a slight oscillation in the picture to prevent against burn-in. The picture is always moving around slightly, but you don't notice it. Here is an online review of the 50" version of it: http://hometheatermag.com/plasmadisplays/907kuro/

The Pioneer Kuros are rated as some of the best displays, period. The price may be steep, but high contrast ratio, while still retaining excellent shadow detail, makes the picture astounding. If that price is a little high, look at the regular Pioneer plasma. It has a few less features than the elite, but is still excellent (that website I linked has a review of a 60" regular Pioneer, too).

Projectors are nice, but you need to have a dark room for them, as their brightness is not usually the best.

I won't recommend anything until you can say where this is going. Are there windows in the room, what's the room size, etc.

[andyn1080]

ok so plasma it is, now are there are plasmas that have 120mhz????

[PLASMA-1080P-FULLHD]

Originally Posted by andyn1080

ok so plasma it is, now are there are plasmas that have 120mhz????

U dont need 120HZ for plasma.

[supersix4]

the best way to find out information without having to have people repost is to search


https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ghlight=plasma
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ghlight=Plasma
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ghlight=buying
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ghlight=plasma

I mean is it really that hard?

[andyn1080]

Originally Posted by PLASMA-1080P-FULLHD

U dont need 120HZ for plasma.

why not?

[dlshelt]

If u hav a big enough room go with a projector

[dlshelt]

I have a 720p projector and luv it although i sometimes wonder if the picture could be better

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by andyn1080

and do plasmas get burn-in? i play alot of sports game for hours (they have the score board on all the time). ive heard that plasmas have the brightest and most vivid PQ is that true? i saw the pionneer 60" elite and it blew me away and so did the 8000.00 price tag! please help me with advice. thanks

With the high end plasmas from Panasonic and Pioneer, you would have to abuse the set to cause burn-in.

[btf1980]

Originally Posted by andyn1080

why not?

I don't think the question should be why you don't need 120hz in a plasma display, the question should be why you need it in the first place at all? If you can answer that question legitimately without drinking the kool-aid from LCD marketing, then I tip my hat to you sir.

[andyn1080]

Originally Posted by btf1980

I don't think the question should be why you don't need 120hz in a plasma display, the question should be why you need it in the first place at all? If you can answer that question legitimately without drinking the kool-aid from LCD marketing, then I tip my hat to you sir.

have you seen 120mhz? or 24mhz? dude come on. 120mhz makes everything look like your on set with the actors and eliminates motion blur. thats why. now i know nothing about plasmas so i guess i should ask, do plasmas get motion blur? and if so do some plasmas do 120mhz or 24mhz?

and to the person that said "only if you abuse a plasma will it get burn in"......what do you consider abuse? like i said i play alot of video games that has an image on screen the whole time. and considering most all blu's are widescreen ive heard the black bars can cause burn in.

[btf1980]

Originally Posted by andyn1080

have you seen 120mhz? or 24mhz? dude come on. 120mhz makes everything look like your on set with the actors and eliminates motion blur. thats why. now i know nothing about plasmas so i guess i should ask, do plasmas get motion blur? and if so do some plasmas do 120mhz or 24mhz?

How is being on the set with the actors a good thing? Many movies are stylized and are meant to look a certain way. Making everything look like home videos defeats the purpose. For plasmas, all current Pioneer panels accept 1080p/24hz though if that's what you're asking.

I posted this before, and i'll post it again.

It's kind of sad when you see people being amazed by AMP/120hz, which more or less is a bastardization of what the movie was intended to look like in the first place. It just defeats the purpose of film watching and viewing the craftmanship of the director. Anything that alters what something is supposed to look like is NOT a good thing. Imagine going to an art gallery to view paintings, then whipping out magic markers and scribbling over the artists work, I just wonder, why go to the artists gallery and destroy the canvas if you can't appreciate the work? That is the state of the LCD market right now. Let's make everything look like CGI, overly bright and saturated like CSI Miami with pumped up hues and unrealistic colors or like home video with AMP.

[andyn1080]

well i guess everyone has a pref. b/c i think csi miami looks crazy! id love it if everything looked that way. i agree with alot of your points but if plasmas does 1080p/24hz then thats good.......what does 24mz do anyway? does it eliminate motion blur or look anything like 120hz?

[nhaase]

Originally Posted by andyn1080

well i guess everyone has a pref. b/c i think csi miami looks crazy! id love it if everything looked that way. i agree with alot of your points but if plasmas does 1080p/24hz then thats good.......what does 24mz do anyway? does it eliminate motion blur or look anything like 120hz?

This is another subject which has been driven into the ground so do a search please. Stockstar 1138 posted a very nice explanation of 24p and 120Hz on Friday.

[Kratos3]

You don't get 120Hz refresh rates on plasmas because you don't have the same motion blur problems on plasmas that you do with LCDs with fast moving images. 24 fps is what film captures. A TV that can display 24 frames per second eliminates the need for 3:2 pulldown processing to match the frame rate of film for display on monitors that run at 60 Hz. 3:2 pulldown processing has the potential to distort image quality. I hope this helps.

[hagar852]

Originally Posted by andyn1080

and to the person that said "only if you abuse a plasma will it get burn in"......what do you consider abuse? like i said i play alot of video games that has an image on screen the whole time. and considering most all blu's are widescreen ive heard the black bars can cause burn in.

Abuse of the TV is leaving it on with a static image.. (Like the score for maddens games)... for hours and hours and hours.... More like days in a row without shutting it off...

You do get Image retention.. once the image is gone you will see a hint of it in a black screen... but it goes away in a few min of full screen motion..

[Sonny]

[HDJK]

Originally Posted by btf1980

How is being on the set with the actors a good thing? Many movies are stylized and are meant to look a certain way. Making everything look like home videos defeats the purpose. For plasmas, all current Pioneer panels accept 1080p/24hz though if that's what you're asking.

I posted this before, and i'll post it again.

That won't happen with a straight 5:5 pulldown without interpolation. But I agree, 48Hz for a 2:2 will be all that's needed

[BLU STEAL]

the pioneer tvs have a 72hz refresh rate so they can display 24fps the films are shoy in.