The Matrix Resurrections SPOILER Thread

[NARMAK]

Okay, i think we need this thread and i went ahead and made it. Please feel free to discuss but there's so many elements that sucked to me.

Firstly, HOW does Smith even survive. They apparently can purge programmes en masse whenever they liked and did so. The damn machines had an internal CIVIL WAR and we barely saw enough of it.

Zion is apparently living in the past and Morpheus led it to destruction?! WTF!

Then there's also the question of who the hell freed Bugs and when this new damn Matrix came about and what the rules were supposed to be for entering and exiting. It's got so much BS.

[BluBonnet]

It totally plays the viewers for suckers, imho.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

It totally plays the viewers for suckers, imho.

You'd be right. Totally got punk'd on that one. Thankfully it only wasted my time, not my money. /s

[Al_The_Strange]

It would have probably been a lot more awesome if this movie took place during the machine civil war instead of after.

[Warm Gun]

When Clannad: After Story undid so much of itself with a wish or something, I was so annoyed that I decided to never to rewatch any of it, not even the first series. Felt like such a waste of time and an insult to all the emotions I felt watching Tomoya's story. I never got over it. Yet I'm supposed to give Matrix Resurrections a chance when I know the same thing happens. The old movies were a video game designed by Tom Anderson. What a bunch of crap. You can tell Wachowski was trying to be edgy and funny with it, but as someone who liked all four previous Matrix movies, the decision just annoys me.

I could tell the movie wasn't going to be very good when the trailer with all the memberberries came out.

That the fights are weak doesn't surprise me either. Keannu Reeves and Carrie-Anne Moss are both in their fifties, and they got a no name choreographer.

[nabelnabel]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

When Clannad: After Story undid so much of itself with a wish or something, I was so annoyed that I decided to never to rewatch any of it, not even the first series. Felt like such a waste of time and an insult to all the emotions I felt watching Tomoya's story. I never got over it. Yet I'm supposed to give Matrix Resurrections a chance when I know the same thing happens. The old movies were a video game designed by Tom Anderson. What a bunch of crap.

That's not what happens in the movie, though. Surely you must have something better to do than continually trash this movie based on your flawed understanding of what you think happens

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

When Clannad: After Story undid so much of itself with a wish or something, I was so annoyed that I decided to never to rewatch any of it, not even the first series. Felt like such a waste of time and an insult to all the emotions I felt watching Tomoya's story. I never got over it. Yet I'm supposed to give Matrix Resurrections a chance when I know the same thing happens. The old movies were a video game designed by Tom Anderson. What a bunch of crap. You can tell Wachowski was trying to be edgy and funny with it, but as someone who liked all four previous Matrix movies, the decision just annoys me.

I could tell the movie wasn't going to be very good when the trailer with all the memberberries came out.

That the fights are weak doesn't surprise me either. Keannu Reeves and Carrie-Anne Moss are both in their fifties, and they got a no name choreographer.

When you watch the movie and understand the plot then give an opinion the video game thing yeah thats NOT what it was saying. It is clearly stated this is Matrix 2.0 and Neo succeeded in creating peace. The machines used his and Trinitys body to power the new Matrix and Power the new machines post Machine v Machine war. The Video game thing was because they could not erase his memories so they made him a programmer and used that as his form of control.

[oneway23]

Thanks for making this thread.

I've cut my question out of my earlier post in the main thread, and I'll place it here instead.

So, the new Architect didn't want "the suits" to fall back to a prior version of the Matrix, because he would have been deleted, but, towards the end, he says that they could have never initiated the failsafe because they couldn't gain access to Neo's "source code." Did I get that right? I think so.

What does he mean by Neo's source code? Does he mean his consciousness, his essence?

[Vangeli]

The failsafe was the plan until Trinity was taken from her pod and they lost access to the source code that both Neo and Trinity seem to share now.

I really enjoyed the movie.

[Warm Gun]

Originally Posted by R3P0

When you watch the movie and understand the plot then give an opinion the video game thing yeah thats NOT what it was saying. It is clearly stated this is Matrix 2.0 and Neo succeeded in creating peace. The machines used his and Trinitys body to power the new Matrix and Power the new machines post Machine v Machine war. The Video game thing was because they could not erase his memories so they made him a programmer and used that as his form of control.

I mean, that's better, but if the end result is presenting a bunch of things we've already seen before, then I'd still rather do away with the whole idea. Also could have made Anderson's video game more unique by animating it.

[oneway23]

Originally Posted by Vangeli

The failsafe was the plan until Trinity was taken from her pod and they lost access to the source code that both Neo and Trinity seem to share now.

I really enjoyed the movie.

See? I think you've just possibly inadvertently highlighted one of my main issues coming out of the film.

First, please, understand that I'm not attacking you here. I appreciate you taking time to respond. My frustration lies with the film.

I'm reading your words, you've seemingly explained the plot point I was curious about, but...when you sit, and stop, and break it all down, what does that actually mean?

I know the prior films were all a bit of a mish-mash of college philosophy & religious studies classes, but, this one in particular? Man alive, I dunno.
Feels even more like a half-baked jumble of tossed off ideas.

Love conquers all? I can get with that. Everything else? Ooof!

[Batman90]

I had to stop watching they lost me. I have no idea what the hell was going on.

[oneway23]

Also, with regard to Morpheus:

- Why would Neo fabricate a digital construct of Morpheus cross-pollinated with Agent Smith? Why wouldn't it just be Morpheus? Because the script needed to "subvert expectations", by having the film start off with "Morpheus" as an Agent who needed to be awakened? Why?

- Why would Morpheus have led Zion to ruin? Because he believed too heavily in "The One"? What did they say in the film? He believed too hard? Waited around, doing nothing, awaiting Neo's return? What clap-trap nonsense.

So much of the film spent way too many words and too much time, imo, tying itself in a knot, in an attempt to over-explain why people who should've been there, weren't.

The more I consider it, I'm sat here getting slightly annoyed, and I'd rather not.

[nabelnabel]

Yeah, once NPH stopped time I found myself unable to keep up with much of anything and I switched on a sort of "I figured I'd have to watch this movie more than once to get it anyway so I'm just going to relax and try to enjoy it for what it is right now" mode.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by R3P0

When you watch the movie and understand the plot then give an opinion the video game thing yeah thats NOT what it was saying. It is clearly stated this is Matrix 2.0 and Neo succeeded in creating peace. The machines used his and Trinitys body to power the new Matrix and Power the new machines post Machine v Machine war. The Video game thing was because they could not erase his memories so they made him a programmer and used that as his form of control.

That's also one of my biggest damn gripes. Okay, we get that Neo and Trinity are a thing. We get that Matrix showed us her love giving him his "awakening" if you will. The so called "another life" the Oracle mentioned he might be waiting for, but then they claimed Trinity has this magical source code all along because they pulled it out their ass. Even if we say Neo saved her at the end of Reloaded and restarted her heart. His code never went into her and nothing implied she ever held it previously. The function of "The One" is just that. In one individual.

The NPH dopeitecht as i'm going to dub him also implied why people accept the new Matrix is because they let people have their misery and yada yada, but then the whole BS about Neo and Trinity somehow needing to be close to each other but never crossing together. Yet, when they are shown as finally meeting after only who knows how long, he actually makes physical contact and they never had even a spark like the power thingamajig shown at the end scene in Simulatte (also, completely on the nose naming).

I feel like also having somehow this importance of just TWO people powering the entire Matrix inexplicable and stupid because once they both are free, it should crash or something. I mean, they basically undid the universes own logic imo with that stupidity.

I feel like the idea of Neo writing games kind of makes sense over say being a movie director because he was a coder for a software programme and the idea of controlling characters in games and interactivity makes it a more malleable idea around the mental health aspects they tried to frame it around. It's still super clunky and stupid. Especially the entire BS brain storming sessions with throwaway characters and stuff that could have better served as runtime to show how the fudge are they now extracting programmes.

Originally Posted by oneway23

Thanks for making this thread.

I've cut my question out of my earlier post in the main thread, and I'll place it here instead.

So, the new Architect didn't want "the suits" to fall back to a prior version of the Matrix, because he would have been deleted, but, towards the end, he says that they could have never initiated the failsafe because they couldn't gain access to Neo's "source code." Did I get that right? I think so.

What does he mean by Neo's source code? Does he mean his consciousness, his essence?

This bit really also bites my brain. On one hand, we are implied to have a Machine civil war and there's two factions and a new Matrix. Apparently the old Architect who oversaw 6 iterations has been replaced and the old system and programmes purged. Yet somehow this programme of the dopeitecht deemed it vita to reconstruct the body of both Trinity and Neo, somehow stumbling upon the source code being in both of them (it isn't and never should have been shown as such imo) as a vital component of The Matrix programme.

We know that in Reloaded, The Architect basically tells Neo if he didn't return to the source, they'd just destroy Zion and start over fresh implying they could reboot because basically they have the source code of The One stored away. Now, if it was implied and shown explicitly the Machine Civil War basically had destroyed that source code copy, it would make sense why they suddenly now needed to repair Neo and reinsert his code into the Matrix. Then they should have used Trinity as a restraint in the programme to basically keep him there as a form of control.

There's a good movie somewhere amongst all the crap. I just wish they spent longer actually to work it out.

Smith imo has no place in this movie. It doesn't make sense and the BS about how dopeitecht can basically "Bullet Time" Neo but Smith somehow overcomes this at the finale and never used the power again is BS. The whole "Bot Swarm" concept is also ripped off from Fast and Furious 8 or something with the electric car autopilot BS and ultimately again, is stupid. The original Matrix idea of Agents being able to take over bodies at least tried to make it a more discreet element but how would it not backfire on them with that many people potentially losing their crap and others seeing it.

Morpheus being an "Agent" in the Modal 101 is also complete BS because if you have The Matrix 2.0 or whatever they decided to call it that Bugs was freed from (again, a frigging thing we should SEE!) how did they suddenly find another "sub-Matrix" Neo built as something they somehow need to explore. Then, the question is how the hell do you extract a machine programme created within a machine programme? It's all BS.

The original worked imo because it took a slightly simple concept in some ways, and framed their action around the story they wanted to tell and everything flowed smoothly. Where the sequels got bogged down in the story and then decided they had to throw in action scenes, this just does not even seem to be a movie that knows how to action.

Keanu Reeves basically got his product placement in because Trinity drives an Arch motorcycle if i'm correct and he's probably helping the director out of kindness whilst picking up a sizeable paycheck.

Okay, so how would i have done things?

1) Scrap Smith entirely.
2) Show the start of the Machine civil war and breakdown of Zion in the crossfire
3) Explain the creation of this Matrix 2.0 and how they're getting humans free
- They're basically back to square 1 imo with no real peace agreement
4) Change Morpheus as being a programme like Jude instead and another system of control over Neo
5) Have Bugs figure out Neo is still in there with Trinity with altered RSI's or whatever BS name they somehow now give them
6) Free Morpheus as a programme because he's shown to have doubts
7) Botched rescue means Trinity is kept behind and hostage but Neo escaped
8) Lead him to the new city, run into Niobe and flashback to the Fall of Zion and Machine Civil War leading to the new co-existence of humans and machines


There's probably a bunch more. The fight scenes would need to be tightened up. Like a LOT. Also, scrap that entire BS finale.

They had a crap call back to the council when basically nobody said they'd go look for Neo by now having them all volunteer. They were also all entirely useless in the finale imo.

At least the captains looked cool in Reloaded at the opening meeting between the Captains.

More i think about it. I just get upset at alp that damn potential wasted in this movie and how it tarnishes the IP for the future.

[Staying Salty]

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/...he-right-wing/

According to The Matrix Resurrections writers Aleksandar Hemon and David Mitchell, one of their many politically motivated goals when approaching the script for Lana Wachaowski’s latest entry in the cyberpunk franchise was to reclaim the trope of the Red Pill after, in their opinion, it was “kidnapped by the right-wing.”

I haven't seen it yet, but the above quote seems to indicate why the opinions are all over the place.

This Matrix is majorly glitching...

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[Member-571539]

Woof… this thread sucks.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

It totally plays the viewers for suckers, imho.

So how many times are you going to see it in the theater?

I liked it enough, but after watching it on HBO MAX (the 4K DV/Atmos was great) I went ahead and canceled my IMAX screening for tomorrow. I'm glad I didn't venture out to catch it in theaters. It's nowhere near as epic as the original trilogy. IMO

[coolguy25]

Besides neo/trinity.The most epic characters in the Matrix were Morpheus and Agent Smith. They turned Morpheus into a clown show and Agent smith into some preppy frat boy?

Someone please explain to me also how these agents are so bad at shooting? You would think they could program some beyond elite assassins that rarely miss... But of course nobody ever barely gets a flesh wound and can just cartwheel away on a wall.

This felt like John Wick had amnesia and CTE memory loss and somehow woke up in a cheesy fantasy world trying to be the Matrix.

Let's not even talk about the atrocious casting of Neil PatrickH. Felt like he didn't want to do this.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Like I posted in the regular thread, this wasn't terrible. This was better than the last movie. But I do have my problems with the movie as well. Honestly, I think it would have been a lot cooler to connect the John Wick movies to this franchise, like it was rumored to be a while back. I know some of you might hate the idea, but it would certainly be an interesting twist if at the end of John Wick 4, there would have been a post credit scene of Morpheus trying to "wake Neo up", and set up the new Matrix film to be Neo trying to escape the new version of the Matrix where he's "John Wick". It sounds ridiculous, I know, but I think people would have eaten it up.

But alas, they are not going that route, clearly. Either way I'm still interested in wherever they are going with this new story, so I hope we get more.