LG releases the new 2023 Signature Series M3 Wireless OLED TVs - Blu-ray Forum

Robert Zohn · 08-05-2023, 03:52 AM

Here's Caleb Denison's Video about LG's new M3 Series Wireless OLED TV.

The M3 will be available end August - Early September. Here's our M3 webpage with more information.

https://valueelectronics.com/product...eless-oled-tv/

punisher · 08-05-2023, 10:30 PM

doomed to fail.... I offered an idea like this to Sony decades ago when their tv's were still made in Japan..lol..wireless to the tv..no thanks they said...technology has a come long way since then but everything in your home will interfere,not too mention the neighbors upstairs gear.

Private room, private house, shielded from any interference, fine. Fios has a wireless box that they are trying out...it sucks...but don't tell them I said that ..lol.

Robert Zohn · 08-07-2023, 12:18 AM

I discussed this with LGE's engineers and I trust they have the wireless connect designed to perform reliably.

I don't know all of the details, but the wireless box generates it's own frequency that is not close to or a multiple of any other know FQ.

They also designed the RF footprint to be very directional so multi-path and other RF interference will not be a common issue.

I'll get more details and share what I learn. We're also included in the very fist allocation/shipment and I'll post my opinions.

HDTV1080P · 08-10-2023, 08:38 PM

Wired HDMI will always be faster and more reliable when compared to wireless transmissions. However, some consumers prefer only the power cord connected to their flat panel screen when mounting on a wall that is not pre-wired for a flat panel, also even in a normal table top position some consumers prefer not having to connect wires except for the power cord. I just wish the flat panel companies if they go wireless, that they make at least one micro/mini HDMI port on the TV that connects to the external box just in case there is a lot of RF interference. The LG Zero connect box has HDMI 2.1 ports and then the box transmits the video and audio wirelessly. But I just wish there was a micro or mini HDMI port also offered on their flat panel displays for those people that need wired for bad RF interference areas. Also, while it has not been proven, some people believe some of this wireless stuff might not be healthy for human health (but that is just an unproven theory).

The ideal flat panel would have just a power cord and one mini or micro HDMI port with some type of Zero connect box. The Zero connect box offers Ethernet LAN connection, USB, remote IR sensor, HDMI, and many other connections. The TV set only needs power and receives video and audio wirelessly. But if LG would have just made a micro/mini HDMI port on the flat panel that connects to the external box, then that would be more attractive to some.

To make flat panels smaller, many of the main electronics are kept in a seperate connect box. In the past one just needed to run a power cord and HDMI cord when using a special connecting box that came with the flat panel display, but now one can eliminate the HDMI cord also. Most likely transmitting high voltage electricity to eliminate the power cord is not possible with current technology, and eliminating the power cord might not be possible in several decades from now either.

Select quotes from article

“LG Electronics USA has announced the pricing of the world’s first OLED TV with 4K 120hz wireless connectivity. The 97-inch LG SIGNATURE OLED M (model 97M3) and 83- and 77-inch LG OLED evo M (models 83M3 & 77M3) are expected to be available later this month at LG.com and select LG-authorized dealers for $29,999 (97-inch), $7,999 (83-inch) and $4,999 (77-inch), respectively.”

“The 97M3 with wireless solution is an important step forward in the evolution of TVs. The Zero Connect Box supports a range of connectivity options including HDMI 2.1, USB, RF, LAN and Bluetooth – making it easy to connect various devices or peripherals, from gaming consoles to set-top boxes. It can be placed up to 30 feet from the screen, removing the need to place a cabinet or table directly underneath the TV. To ensure the seamless transmission of images and sounds, the box instantly identifies the optimal transmission path and has an adjustable antenna that can be positioned according to the screen’s location.”

“LG’s proprietary wireless AV transmission solution is able to transmit large amounts of data at up to 30Gbps —three times the speed of the existing Wi-Fi standard—delivering sharp video and sound quality that draw users deeper into whatever they’re watching or playing.”

https://www.twice.com/product/video/...reless-oled-tv

HDTV1080P · 08-11-2023, 11:25 PM

SELECT QUOTES

"When the $30,000 OLED97M3 ships later this month it will be joined by the 77-inch OLED77M3 ($5,000), and 83-inch OLED83M ($8,000) models. While none of these Signature Series TVs come cheap, they stand alone in using wireless technology to achieve a clean minimalist installation thanks to LG’s “Zero Connect Box.”

"The box (bottom left in photo) uses a proprietary wireless system to beam 4K video (up to 120 Hz) to the screen, reducing cable clutter to two AC power connections — one for the TV and one for the box — and allowing gaming consoles, disc players, and other source devices to be located away from the display. The box provides a host of connectivity options, including HDMI 2.1, USB, RF, LAN, and Bluetooth."

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...maller-screens

Robert Zohn · 08-12-2023, 06:55 PM

Just got confirmation from LG on the M3's Zero Connect box:

The Included Zero Connect Wireless Box generates its own encrypted 60Ghz carrier to ensure the most reliable RF connection. Because it can be placed away from the TV, the Zero Connect box helps to create a cleaner, distraction-free viewing environment and gives users greater freedom to arrange their space.

HDTV1080P · 08-14-2023, 12:11 AM

So, the output of the Zero Connect box uses an encrypted wireless transmission instead of an encrypted HDMI connection. Well, I hope it works out for LG, maybe one would have to experience extreme RF interference over several different frequencies for there to be a problem. In the future devices like Blu-ray players, streaming boxes, cable boxes, satellite boxes, videogame systems, external ATSC boxes, and other items in the next 10+ years might not have any HDMI outputs and instead wireless is being used. Then A/V receivers well need to be made with 8 to 12 wireless input selectors with each device being a different wireless frequency. That is of course if the built wireless HDMI technology can be made for under $50 per device. I see wireless HDMI adding at least $50 in price to each device. Of course, LG is using its own wireless encrypted technology that has nothing to do with wireless HDMI. And maybe the industry will decide to go with some new wired or wireless standard that replaces HDMI.

In the future since all the Smart TV’s, A/V receivers, Blu-ray players, cable boxes, and satellite boxes have RJ45 ethernet connections, hopefully in the future wired HDMI devices can be made so that if for example HDCP 2.2 encryption is hacked, that a firmware update can be issued to offer HDCP 3.3 without the need to buy new equipment. All companies would need to do is place a upgradable HDCP chip next to the wired HDMI port or wireless HDMI port so that HDCP could be updated in 5 minutes to the latest secure encrypted version. That is what the industry really needs is firmware upgrable HDCP for both wired HDMI and wireless HDMI.

Robert Zohn · 08-14-2023, 03:35 AM

Sorry if my post was not well written as I did not want to say that LG's 60 Ghz signal is encrypted. The 60 Ghz signal that the M3 generates is just the carrier for the HDMI signal, which has the audio and video, and all of the HDMI codes, e.g. eARC.

HDTV1080P · 08-14-2023, 07:18 AM

All wireless HDMI solutions that consumers purchase as add on HDMI extenders, are technically encrypted since they pass the HDCP encryption up to version 2.3.

Technically LG does not need to use encryption for its built-in wireless HDMI solution, since up to HDCP version 2.3 already has its own encryption that is carried in the two-way wireless HDMI solution. The Zero Connect box needs to be HDCP complaint since it has HDMI inputs and the wireless HDMI also needs to be HDCP complaint when HDMI is used. Hopefully in the future an industry standard for Zero Connect boxes can be made so that one could use a Zero Connect box on any other LG display and maybe one day a Zero connect style box for any brand of TV. Then people could keep their displays longer and most of the time when something breaks consumers would just need to purchase a new Zero connect box or get the Zero connect box repaired. Someone could also design a combo Zero connect box with A/V receiver which would be neat. With the Zero Connect box being both the electronics for the Smart TV and also a surround sound system. But of course that would raise the price of Zero Connect boxes $1.000-$2,000+ if they had a build in A/V receiver.

The Zero Connect boxes also makes it much easier to connect and disconnect cables versus a Smart TV that is flat against the wall. Plus, the Zero Connect box can be hidden inside a rack or TV cabinet if the remote control is RF instead of IR. But even if the Zero Connect boxes only use IR, one can just get a remote IR extender and hide the Zero Connect box in a TV cabinet. Maybe for this first generation of Zero Connect box one might be paying $300-$500+ extra for the wireless HDMI feature. However, I would like to see the industry make these Zero Connect boxes with a mini or micro HDMI output instead of a wireless option, or both wireless and mini/micro HDMI outputs on a Zero Connect box. If a TV breaks with a Zero Connect box attached, there is a good chance since most the electronics are in the Zero Connect box, that instead of taking a 97 inch TV off the wall, that the exact same model or newer improved Zero Connect box just needs to be purchased.

punisher · 08-14-2023, 01:53 PM

remember the old Pioneers..with the box that you plugged everything into and one connect cable to the TV?..that would work for me

Minimejer05 · 11-07-2023, 04:21 PM

Any idea if the panels are any different between the M3 and. the G3? If I didn't have any use for a wireless box, would I be missing out on anything else with the M3?

Robert Zohn · 11-07-2023, 05:31 PM

From what I am told the M3 has the same OLED MLA panel that they use in the G3.

mdhaus · 11-08-2023, 06:33 PM

This all sounds great in theory....until you realize that you are now introducing two new points of hardware failure - one at the "Zero Connect" box and another at the receiving equipment at the TV itself. I can envision lots and lots of complaints about crashing/buggy/faulty hardware and sorrow over not having a traditional setup.

HDTV1080P · 11-09-2023, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

From what I am told the M3 has the same OLED MLA panel that they use in the G3.

If that information is accurate and both OLED panels have the exact same picture quality, then if one does not need wireless HDMI they can save $3,000. Best Buy is selling the LG 83 inch M3 for $7,999.99 and the 83 inch LG G3 series is on sale for $4,999.99 at Best Buy. Personally, I do not like wireless HDMI and if the picture quality is the same I would prefer to save $3,000 and get the wired HDMI version instead of a wireless HDMI version. But at the same time its good to have selection of different choices to choose between.

punisher · 11-09-2023, 02:48 PM

actually all tv's are wireless...plug it in..use the apps for movies ,sports and tv shows...it's that simple already..assuming you have a good internet provider with high spped

Robert Zohn · 11-09-2023, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

If that information is accurate and both OLED panels have the exact same picture quality, then if one does not need wireless HDMI they can save $3,000. Best Buy is selling the LG 83 inch M3 for $7,999.99 and the 83 inch LG G3 series is on sale for $4,999.99 at Best Buy. Personally, I do not like wireless HDMI and if the picture quality is the same I would prefer to save $3,000 and get the wired HDMI version instead of a wireless HDMI version. But at the same time its good to have selection of different choices to choose between.

Same price at all LG authorized dealers, except for our exclusive additional 5% ($250) store credit and our very aggressive bundle promotional prices, and our one more nice additional savings.

CANUCKS FAN · 11-09-2023, 06:05 PM

Also 83" LG G3 does not have MLA like the77"or 65" models.

Robert Zohn · 11-09-2023, 06:38 PM

Correct ^, but the 83" G3 does have the heat sync, which gives the processor the ability to drive the panel for higher peak luminance.

You would not want or need the 83" G3 to be any brighter.

LG also includes the 5 year OLED panel warranty on the 83" G3.

HDTV1080P · 11-09-2023, 11:40 PM

I wish there was a 97 inch G3, but 83 inches is the maximum size. However someone that wants 97 inches can just buy the LG M3 series 97 inch model for $29,999.99. But with the 83 inch being $7,999.99, one is paying a extra $22,000 just for a extra 14 inches. Over time 97 inch OLED panels in the years to come in theory will come down in price. But someone that really wants a 97 inch OLED its good that that option exists now.

08-10-2023, 08:38 PM	#4
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Wired HDMI will always be faster and more reliable when compared to wireless transmissions. However, some consumers prefer only the power cord connected to their flat panel screen when mounting on a wall that is not pre-wired for a flat panel, also even in a normal table top position some consumers prefer not having to connect wires except for the power cord. I just wish the flat panel companies if they go wireless, that they make at least one micro/mini HDMI port on the TV that connects to the external box just in case there is a lot of RF interference. The LG Zero connect box has HDMI 2.1 ports and then the box transmits the video and audio wirelessly. But I just wish there was a micro or mini HDMI port also offered on their flat panel displays for those people that need wired for bad RF interference areas. Also, while it has not been proven, some people believe some of this wireless stuff might not be healthy for human health (but that is just an unproven theory). The ideal flat panel would have just a power cord and one mini or micro HDMI port with some type of Zero connect box. The Zero connect box offers Ethernet LAN connection, USB, remote IR sensor, HDMI, and many other connections. The TV set only needs power and receives video and audio wirelessly. But if LG would have just made a micro/mini HDMI port on the flat panel that connects to the external box, then that would be more attractive to some. To make flat panels smaller, many of the main electronics are kept in a seperate connect box. In the past one just needed to run a power cord and HDMI cord when using a special connecting box that came with the flat panel display, but now one can eliminate the HDMI cord also. Most likely transmitting high voltage electricity to eliminate the power cord is not possible with current technology, and eliminating the power cord might not be possible in several decades from now either. Select quotes from article “LG Electronics USA has announced the pricing of the world’s first OLED TV with 4K 120hz wireless connectivity. The 97-inch LG SIGNATURE OLED M (model 97M3) and 83- and 77-inch LG OLED evo M (models 83M3 & 77M3) are expected to be available later this month at LG.com and select LG-authorized dealers for $29,999 (97-inch), $7,999 (83-inch) and $4,999 (77-inch), respectively.” “The 97M3 with wireless solution is an important step forward in the evolution of TVs. The Zero Connect Box supports a range of connectivity options including HDMI 2.1, USB, RF, LAN and Bluetooth – making it easy to connect various devices or peripherals, from gaming consoles to set-top boxes. It can be placed up to 30 feet from the screen, removing the need to place a cabinet or table directly underneath the TV. To ensure the seamless transmission of images and sounds, the box instantly identifies the optimal transmission path and has an adjustable antenna that can be positioned according to the screen’s location.” “LG’s proprietary wireless AV transmission solution is able to transmit large amounts of data at up to 30Gbps —three times the speed of the existing Wi-Fi standard—delivering sharp video and sound quality that draw users deeper into whatever they’re watching or playing.” https://www.twice.com/product/video/...reless-oled-tv Last edited by HDTV1080P; 08-10-2023 at 08:57 PM.

08-14-2023, 12:11 AM	#7
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	So, the output of the Zero Connect box uses an encrypted wireless transmission instead of an encrypted HDMI connection. Well, I hope it works out for LG, maybe one would have to experience extreme RF interference over several different frequencies for there to be a problem. In the future devices like Blu-ray players, streaming boxes, cable boxes, satellite boxes, videogame systems, external ATSC boxes, and other items in the next 10+ years might not have any HDMI outputs and instead wireless is being used. Then A/V receivers well need to be made with 8 to 12 wireless input selectors with each device being a different wireless frequency. That is of course if the built wireless HDMI technology can be made for under $50 per device. I see wireless HDMI adding at least $50 in price to each device. Of course, LG is using its own wireless encrypted technology that has nothing to do with wireless HDMI. And maybe the industry will decide to go with some new wired or wireless standard that replaces HDMI. In the future since all the Smart TV’s, A/V receivers, Blu-ray players, cable boxes, and satellite boxes have RJ45 ethernet connections, hopefully in the future wired HDMI devices can be made so that if for example HDCP 2.2 encryption is hacked, that a firmware update can be issued to offer HDCP 3.3 without the need to buy new equipment. All companies would need to do is place a upgradable HDCP chip next to the wired HDMI port or wireless HDMI port so that HDCP could be updated in 5 minutes to the latest secure encrypted version. That is what the industry really needs is firmware upgrable HDCP for both wired HDMI and wireless HDMI. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 08-14-2023 at 12:20 AM.

08-05-2023, 10:30 PM	#2
punisher Blu-ray Knight Member since:May 2010 Location:MSG CHASE BRIDGE Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:222	doomed to fail.... I offered an idea like this to Sony decades ago when their tv's were still made in Japan..lol..wireless to the tv..no thanks they said...technology has a come long way since then but everything in your home will interfere,not too mention the neighbors upstairs gear. Private room, private house, shielded from any interference, fine. Fios has a wireless box that they are trying out...it sucks...but don't tell them I said that ..lol.

08-07-2023, 12:18 AM	#3
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	I discussed this with LGE's engineers and I trust they have the wireless connect designed to perform reliably. I don't know all of the details, but the wireless box generates it's own frequency that is not close to or a multiple of any other know FQ. They also designed the RF footprint to be very directional so multi-path and other RF interference will not be a common issue. I'll get more details and share what I learn. We're also included in the very fist allocation/shipment and I'll post my opinions.

08-11-2023, 11:25 PM	#5
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	SELECT QUOTES "When the $30,000 OLED97M3 ships later this month it will be joined by the 77-inch OLED77M3 ($5,000), and 83-inch OLED83M ($8,000) models. While none of these Signature Series TVs come cheap, they stand alone in using wireless technology to achieve a clean minimalist installation thanks to LG’s “Zero Connect Box.” "The box (bottom left in photo) uses a proprietary wireless system to beam 4K video (up to 120 Hz) to the screen, reducing cable clutter to two AC power connections — one for the TV and one for the box — and allowing gaming consoles, disc players, and other source devices to be located away from the display. The box provides a host of connectivity options, including HDMI 2.1, USB, RF, LAN, and Bluetooth." https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...maller-screens

08-12-2023, 06:55 PM	#6
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Just got confirmation from LG on the M3's Zero Connect box: The Included Zero Connect Wireless Box generates its own encrypted 60Ghz carrier to ensure the most reliable RF connection. Because it can be placed away from the TV, the Zero Connect box helps to create a cleaner, distraction-free viewing environment and gives users greater freedom to arrange their space.

08-14-2023, 03:35 AM	#8
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Sorry if my post was not well written as I did not want to say that LG's 60 Ghz signal is encrypted. The 60 Ghz signal that the M3 generates is just the carrier for the HDMI signal, which has the audio and video, and all of the HDMI codes, e.g. eARC.

08-14-2023, 07:18 AM	#9
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	All wireless HDMI solutions that consumers purchase as add on HDMI extenders, are technically encrypted since they pass the HDCP encryption up to version 2.3. Technically LG does not need to use encryption for its built-in wireless HDMI solution, since up to HDCP version 2.3 already has its own encryption that is carried in the two-way wireless HDMI solution. The Zero Connect box needs to be HDCP complaint since it has HDMI inputs and the wireless HDMI also needs to be HDCP complaint when HDMI is used. Hopefully in the future an industry standard for Zero Connect boxes can be made so that one could use a Zero Connect box on any other LG display and maybe one day a Zero connect style box for any brand of TV. Then people could keep their displays longer and most of the time when something breaks consumers would just need to purchase a new Zero connect box or get the Zero connect box repaired. Someone could also design a combo Zero connect box with A/V receiver which would be neat. With the Zero Connect box being both the electronics for the Smart TV and also a surround sound system. But of course that would raise the price of Zero Connect boxes $1.000-$2,000+ if they had a build in A/V receiver. The Zero Connect boxes also makes it much easier to connect and disconnect cables versus a Smart TV that is flat against the wall. Plus, the Zero Connect box can be hidden inside a rack or TV cabinet if the remote control is RF instead of IR. But even if the Zero Connect boxes only use IR, one can just get a remote IR extender and hide the Zero Connect box in a TV cabinet. Maybe for this first generation of Zero Connect box one might be paying $300-$500+ extra for the wireless HDMI feature. However, I would like to see the industry make these Zero Connect boxes with a mini or micro HDMI output instead of a wireless option, or both wireless and mini/micro HDMI outputs on a Zero Connect box. If a TV breaks with a Zero Connect box attached, there is a good chance since most the electronics are in the Zero Connect box, that instead of taking a 97 inch TV off the wall, that the exact same model or newer improved Zero Connect box just needs to be purchased.

08-14-2023, 01:53 PM	#10
punisher Blu-ray Knight Member since:May 2010 Location:MSG CHASE BRIDGE Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:222	remember the old Pioneers..with the box that you plugged everything into and one connect cable to the TV?..that would work for me

11-07-2023, 04:21 PM	#11
Minimejer05 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Minnesota Home Theater Gallery:14 4K collection:532 Blu-ray collection:1995 Blu-ray reviews:28 Trading Score:6	Any idea if the panels are any different between the M3 and. the G3? If I didn't have any use for a wireless box, would I be missing out on anything else with the M3?

11-07-2023, 05:31 PM	#12
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	From what I am told the M3 has the same OLED MLA panel that they use in the G3.

11-08-2023, 06:33 PM	#13
mdhaus Expert Member Member since:Sep 2021	This all sounds great in theory....until you realize that you are now introducing two new points of hardware failure - one at the "Zero Connect" box and another at the receiving equipment at the TV itself. I can envision lots and lots of complaints about crashing/buggy/faulty hardware and sorrow over not having a traditional setup.

11-09-2023, 02:48 PM	#15
punisher Blu-ray Knight Member since:May 2010 Location:MSG CHASE BRIDGE Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:222	actually all tv's are wireless...plug it in..use the apps for movies ,sports and tv shows...it's that simple already..assuming you have a good internet provider with high spped

11-09-2023, 06:05 PM	#17
CANUCKS FAN Active Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2009 Location:Vancouver 4K collection:395 Blu-ray collection:1252 Blu-ray reviews:1	Also 83" LG G3 does not have MLA like the77"or 65" models.

11-09-2023, 06:38 PM	#18
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Correct ^, but the 83" G3 does have the heat sync, which gives the processor the ability to drive the panel for higher peak luminance. You would not want or need the 83" G3 to be any brighter. LG also includes the 5 year OLED panel warranty on the 83" G3.

11-09-2023, 11:40 PM	#19
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	I wish there was a 97 inch G3, but 83 inches is the maximum size. However someone that wants 97 inches can just buy the LG M3 series 97 inch model for $29,999.99. But with the 83 inch being $7,999.99, one is paying a extra $22,000 just for a extra 14 inches. Over time 97 inch OLED panels in the years to come in theory will come down in price. But someone that really wants a 97 inch OLED its good that that option exists now.

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