D65 white point for all content?

[yougottaguys]

Recently got my first OLED (not setup yet) and wanted to clarify something beforehand.

I often see reviewers advocating for calibrating a TV to match the D65 white point. However I recently watched a Youtube video about this and I saw two comments that made me a bit concerned -
imgur.com/a/d65-comments-yt-Z66t9yg

I understand that D65 is an industry mastering standard but how widely does this span across time and the different industries? I'd like to calibrate my display to be as accurate as possible but I worry that content without an industry mastering standard i.e video games will (with certain games) appear overly warm, dim and yellow.

I assume this won't apply to the vast majority of films and TV shows if D65 has been a standard during the entirety of the digital era. As in recent films/tv shot digitally and older films/tv shot on film then scanned & transferred digitally for DVD/Blu/4K would both be mastered to D65. Is that correct?

My tastes are mostly pre-2000s movies, pre-2010s animation (western cartoons & anime) and pre-2010s games.
Although I do watch more recent movies, TV shows, anime and play modern games on the odd occasion.

I understand that calibrating to the D65 white point would make real life footage appear more natural and would in general cause less eye strain. But judging from those comments it sounds like not all content meets the D65 standard or benefits from it.

If so would I be able to have custom calibrated presets on a Sony OLED? As in one preset calibrated to D65 (or I may just select the "custom" picture setting) and another which suits non-D65 content more which would be perhaps somewhere in the middle - not as unnaturally blue as default but not as yellow as D65.

[Geoff D]

If it's been mastered onto digital video i.e. pretty much everything on a 5" disc then D65 is where it should be, no matter how it was shot or what era it's from. Video games I've no idea about. The warm, yellow and dim thing is a complaint that goes around and around and around and if people don't like it, fine, but once you let your eyes adjust over time - yes, that's a thing - you realise just how it frees up the image. Other colour temps tend to add way too much blue which just corrupts everything, skin tones in particular. Your eyes will adjust or indeed be used to that much blue in the same way it'd adjust to D65, true, but anything other than that simply isn't accurate to how content is mastered for home video.

[yougottaguys]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If it's been mastered onto digital video i.e. pretty much everything on a 5" disc then D65 is where it should be, no matter how it was shot or what era it's from. Video games I've no idea about. The warm, yellow and dim thing is a complaint that goes around and around and around and if people don't like it, fine, but once you let your eyes adjust over time - yes, that's a thing - you realise just how it frees up the image. Other colour temps tend to add way too much blue which just corrupts everything, skin tones in particular. Your eyes will adjust or indeed be used to that much blue in the same way it'd adjust to D65, true, but anything other than that simply isn't accurate to how content is mastered for home video.

That's a damn good justification for D65 white point calibration but I still hope someone can answer my questions
1. If there is certain content (video media & otherwise) that doesn't suit D65 calibration and may have that aforementioned warm, dim, yellow look.
For example if I were to be watching Youtube videos or playing older video games on my TV.
2. I'd also like to know if on Sony OLEDs (A80L in my case) one can have multiple custom picture settings e.g one for D65 content and another for the content that doesn't suit it (if such content exists) which in my case would be not as blue as default but probably somewhere in the middle.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by yougottaguys

That's a damn good justification for D65 white point calibration but I still hope someone can answer my question if there is certain content (video media & otherwise) that doesn't suit D65 calibration and may have that aforementioned warm, dim, yellow look.
For example if I were to be watching Youtube videos or playing older video games on my TV.
I'd also like to know if on Sony OLEDs (A80L in my case) one can have multiple custom picture settings e.g one for D65 content and another for the content that doesn't suit it (if such content exists) which in my case would be not as blue as default but probably somewhere in the middle.

Generally if it's done properly it will be set to a standard. But if you're trying to match one creator's personal preference then it's like pressing the random button when creating an avatar for a video game and hoping it will match someone else's.

In most cases try and get your equipment as close to reference as possible and don't worry about others. If you're not used to the correct colour temperature then it will look weird, your brain has just enjoyed the cooler temps and doesn't like change.

[yougottaguys]

Originally Posted by chip75

Generally if it's done properly it will be set to a standard. But if you're trying to match one creator's personal preference then it's like pressing the random button when creating an avatar for a video game and hoping it will match someone else's.

In most cases try and get your equipment as close to reference as possible and don't worry about others. If you're not used to the correct colour temperature then it will look weird, your brain has just enjoyed the cooler temps and doesn't like change.

Does this apply for video games as well? as in older games from the pre-7th gen era on pretty much all platforms.
Perhaps I should ask this question elsewhere since this website/forum is mostly dedicated to home video.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by yougottaguys

Does this apply for video games as well? as in older games from the pre-7th gen era on pretty much all platforms.
Perhaps I should ask this question elsewhere since this website/forum is mostly dedicated to video media.

It's impossible to say, but I'd stick to the correct settings and go from there. I have looked into it and couldn't find a definitive answer.

[yougottaguys]

Originally Posted by chip75

I have looked into it and couldn't find a definitive answer.

Not surprised. Video game people and movie people tend to have different priorities and preferences. In my case I happen to be both.
I would say most gamers, particularly those who are into current-gen gaming would want more of a "punchy and vibrant" boosted/inaccurate look.
So even if the D65 mastering standard has always existed for gaming or has for many generations I wouldn't be surprised if gamers prefer the default blue light cast. Or maybe they're just conditioned to it as many are and don't typically look into this sort of thing being more preoccupied with motion clarity and refresh rates when it comes to researching display tech.
Thanks for looking into it for me anyway. Perhaps I'm over complicating something which will turn out to have a simple answer.

[kevers7290]

There is no "standard color space" for video games. Games are developed by large groups of people, often in different places with different monitors under different configurations. You are thinking too hard about this. Just find a blanket setting that looks good to your eyes and leave it at that setting.

[yougottaguys]

Originally Posted by kevers7290

There is no "standard color space" for video games. Games are developed by large groups of people, often in different places with different monitors under different configurations

Okay, that's what I initially thought might be the case.

Originally Posted by kevers7290

You are thinking too hard about this. Just find a blanket setting that looks good to your eyes and leave it at that setting.

Perhaps but there's a lot involved with a whole new setup (I've also bought a new AV receiver) so I want to at least have some aspects of it planned so I know exactly what to do to make things quicker and easier overall. Plus I take an interest in this stuff so I like doing research and finding out new things.

I guess the only question I have remaining is (for those who own a Sony TV manufactured in recent years) if I can create multiple custom picture settings presets.
For example I could have a preset specifically calibrated for video media and then for gaming maybe use Standard but with a few alterations - making sure any nasty settings are turned off (DNR, overscan, etc) and maybe toning down the blue light a bit.