Zodiac 4K UHD (2007) (Warner Bros.)

[Gojira-96x]

Warner Bros. will release David Fincher’s Zodiac in 4K in Europe.

https://amzn.eu/d/1Jrjs8m

[Nitroes]

Excellent never bothered to import it from the US.

Little bit of tech info https://www.dvdfr.com/dvd/f302325-zodiac.html

https://store.potemkine.fr/dvd/50518...david-fincher/

[Brian81]

Will be picking this up finally.

[nekromantik]

i am not even sure if its worth it.
the reviews of the US disc are not that much better then BD as it was filmed in 2k
plus no directors cut in 4k
why of why do studios keep doing it

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by nekromantik

i am not even sure if its worth it.
the reviews of the US disc are not that much better then BD as it was filmed in 2k
plus no directors cut in 4k
why of why do studios keep doing it

Did this have a bunch of CG or AI changes? I canceled my UHD order for Seven over them.

[nekromantik]

Originally Posted by Brian81

Did this have a bunch of CG or AI changes? I canceled my UHD order for Seven over them.

not sure I not seen the disc.
only seen reviews of PQ

[Mierzwiak]

BD66 instead of BD100
HDR10 instead of Dolby Vision

Oh, Warner...

[Hedrox]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

BD66 instead of BD100
HDR10 instead of Dolby Vision

Oh, Warner...

No DV is a given, but I wouldn't trust the info posted on dvdfr. This should be a BD100.

[Ben_UK]

I can believe it would be a 66. Warner have done this a few times of late.

[Hedrox]

Originally Posted by Ben_UK

I can believe it would be a 66. Warner have done this a few times of late.

I can't think of a single movie that came even close to 2.5 hours and WB tried to cram on a BD66, including MOD titles. They usually switch to BD100 on just about everything that goes over two hours, the only recent titles longer than that which got a BD66 are Superman 2 and 3, as far as I know.

[nicwood]

Originally Posted by Hedrox

I can't think of a single movie that came even close to 2.5 hours and WB tried to cram on a BD66, including MOD titles. They usually switch to BD100 on just about everything that goes over two hours, the only recent titles longer than that which got a BD66 are Superman 2 and 3, as far as I know.

They put Rio Bravo on a BD-66 and compression visibly suffered.

[Hedrox]

Originally Posted by nicwood

They put Rio Bravo on a BD-66 and compression visibly suffered.

Fair enough, though all the dubs were lossy monos and only a commentary was included, as far as extras are concerned. Point being there was plenty of space for a healthy 53 mbps bitrate, the encode just wasn't up to par.

[Sneezeman]

Originally Posted by nekromantik

plus no directors cut in 4k

The Amazon.fr listing has this at 162 minutes, which would make it the director's cut, no?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by nicwood

They put Rio Bravo on a BD-66 and compression visibly suffered.

Film I can understand. But for a digitally-shot show like this (which had a layer of Lowry image processing in post to sharpen it, tamp down noise and remove other artefacts of the early Viper HD cameras) then a competent encode would be fine. The Social Network has an average video bitrate of ~32 Mb/s (!) on the Sony UHD and it looks fine, as it happens that's also another digital Fincher show with a Lowry tidying pass. They could get away with a total average of about 55 Mb/s for picture and sound for Zodiac's theatrical cut on a UHD66 and in the right hands that's more than enough for that specific content IMO. But as it's Warners then who knows whose hands it'll end up in

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Film I can understand. But for a digitally-shot show like this (which had a layer of Lowry image processing in post to sharpen it, tamp down noise and remove other artefacts of the early Viper HD cameras) then a competent encode would be fine. The Social Network has an average video bitrate of ~32 Mb/s (!) on the Sony UHD and it looks fine, as it happens that's also another digital Fincher show with a Lowry tidying pass. They could get away with a total average of about 55 Mb/s for picture and sound for Zodiac's theatrical cut on a UHD66 and in the right hands that's more than enough for that specific content IMO. But as it's Warners then who knows whose hands it'll end up in

Warner will probably also jam a bunch of lossy dubs on this disc, too. Paramount's 4K UHD has only the TrueHD 5.1 track and a 640 kbps described audio track, with 98 GB for the film. Unfortunately, they didn't port the commentaries over to the 4K UHD disc, but at least they included their two Blu-rays for the extras. Assuming WB does the same, I'm pretty sure the Paramount Blu-rays were also demonstrably better for the extras, since they were split over two discs and in HD versus WB cramming everything onto one disc in SD.

It's good to see Warner putting this out, but I'd be surprised if they bettered the Paramount. Of course, I would buy it again if they managed it—I love the film.

EDIT: It's worth mentioning that with that 98 GB filesize, Paramount has a total bitrate of 82.80 Mbps and got the video bitrate to 59 Mbps. I did initially misread Geoff's post and thought he was talking about a 55 Mbps video bitrate for Warner's disc, which I suspect is impossible on a 66 GB disc, even without additional audio tracks.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Warner will probably also jam a bunch of lossy dubs on this disc, too. Paramount's 4K UHD has only the TrueHD 5.1 track and a 640 kbps described audio track, with 98 GB for the film. Unfortunately, they didn't port the commentaries over to the 4K UHD disc, but at least they included their two Blu-rays for the extras. Assuming WB does the same, I'm pretty sure the Paramount Blu-rays were also demonstrably better for the extras, since they were split over two discs and in HD versus WB cramming everything onto one disc in SD.

It's good to see Warner putting this out, but I'd be surprised if they bettered the Paramount. Of course, I would buy it again if they managed it—I love the film.

EDIT: It's worth mentioning that with that 98 GB filesize, Paramount got the video bitrate to 59 Mbps, so I don't think WB can get to a 55 Mbps bitrate with a 66 GB disc.

55 for picture *and* sound. It'll have a few dubs for sure but if it follows their BD then it's just another five tracks I think at 640 kb/s apiece, so not too terrible. I think it'll be a UHD100, but if it's not it won't really matter IMO.

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

55 for picture *and* sound. It'll have a few dubs for sure but if it follows their BD then it's just another five tracks I think at 640 kb/s apiece, so not too terrible. I think it'll be a UHD100, but if it's not it won't really matter IMO.

Sorry, I misread your post and didn't realize it was not a video bitrate. But I also suspect Warner will use a 100 GB disc, since it's become fairly standard for them to do so and this is a lengthy film.

This is what I get for using a phone to post, I'm too slow.

[Hedrox]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Warner will probably also jam a bunch of lossy dubs on this disc, too. Paramount's 4K UHD has only the TrueHD 5.1 track and a 640 kbps described audio track, with 98 GB for the film. Unfortunately, they didn't port the commentaries over to the 4K UHD disc, but at least they included their two Blu-rays for the extras. Assuming WB does the same, I'm pretty sure the Paramount Blu-rays were also demonstrably better for the extras, since they were split over two discs and in HD versus WB cramming everything onto one disc in SD.

Worth noting that the commentaries were recorded for the director's cut, so they didn't port them because they couldn't be bothered to edit them around the theatrical cut.

The extras will likely be the biggest downgrade from the Paramount set, seeing as the WB release has no BD, they'll port them to the 4K, and probably SD upscaled to save space.

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Hedrox

Worth noting that the commentaries were recorded for the director's cut, so they didn't port them because they couldn't be bothered to edit them around the theatrical cut.

The extras will likely be the biggest downgrade from the Paramount set, seeing as the WB release has no BD, they'll port them to the 4K, and probably SD upscaled to save space.

I didn't realize that about the commentaries, as I honestly haven't listened to either one, but maybe one of these days.

If Warner really are going to include extras on the 4K UHD disc, then it obviously has to be a 100 GB disc, but we really don't know what it will be until it arrives. Right now it's even listed with the director's cut running time, so the specifications are not finalized, yet. It seems to me that the easiest way to add value is for Warner to just include their Blu-ray in the release, but they've taken quite a dislike to that lately.

[SpacemanDoug]

Considering that this disc will be a Warner victim of having no DV, while the US disc from Paramount does have DV, I think it's obvious which one would be preferrable by most fans.