Anyone here watch wrestling?

[Nerdkiller likes BD]

I just felt curious and just deciced to do a little thread on the greatest choriographed sport in the world. I'm not sure anyone has done this yet but what the hell. I want you to give me your opinion on:

How you got into wrestling

what was the best era for the sport

who's your fave wrestler (face and heel and fave out of those two)

which wrestler you hate the most (as above)

who's the most underrated wrestler (in oppinion)

most overrated wrestler (in oppinion)

your fave PPV

your fave match

your dream match

what you would do to improve WWE if you owned it

best storyline

worst storyline

which is better, WWE or TNA

and who would you like to see inducted into the hall of fame?

There's probably so many more questions but I can't think of anymore right now and I'd type what I'd had to say about the above but I'm too lazy right now. Let me know about all this.

[WickyWoo]

what was the best era for the sport

Well, that's really variable. Probably the mid-late 90s was the best time, simply because you had the huge competition, the writing was great and the production values have never been better. If you're more into the athletic/technical half of it, the 70s/early 80s were gold, especially in the territories

who's your fave wrestler (face and heel and fave out of those two)

Probably all around Kurt Angle, on technique it had to be Chris Benoit. Raw athletisism and mic talent, Chris Jericho.

Hulk Hogan is a jackass, but I still mark every time the music starts, he's that good on the ring presence. The Rock is still a blast as well.

Well, what
which wrestler you hate the most (as above)

Hate the character, or busting kayfabe?

who's the most underrated wrestler (in oppinion)

most overrated wrestler (in oppinion)

That's a sliding scale. Are we talking skills, draw, pop what? Hulk Hogan knows 3 moves, but he draws like crazy. Goldberg had that whole angle going even though he was godawful in the ring.

your fave PPV

Royal Rumble

your fave match

The wole Benoit/Angle series from about 5 years ago. That stuff was incredible

what you would do to improve WWE if you owned it

Fire the Hollywood writers they got in that don't know wrestling, and go out and look for some new people who can talk AND wrestle. Fire Batista and all the other losers, and stop pretending like people actually like HHH

which is better, WWE or TNA

WWF will always be better than anything else out there. TNA is going to go bankrupt soon, they can't afford to keep hiring the top talent with the money they draw. I respect how they're trying to do the ECW thing, but they're shooting too high with names, and hiring losers like Booker T, and Big Steiner Steroid. They're going to start having WCW problems, because for every hard worker like the Dudleys or Christian you hire, they're grabbing 2 people who are locker room problems

[BStecke]

I haven't watched wrestling since the WCW/WWF merger. After that they just had WAY too many people. Back in the day I used to love the Ultimate Warrior (that was when I was like ten . . . now I watch his matches and he's absolutely awful, and in reality he's a tremendous jackass). I liked the Mick Foley/Stone Cold/The Rock era quite a bit, and I really liked watching Kane and Undertaker going at it. I really wish they didn't take the mask off Kane. Ever since the merger though I really haven't gotten into it. I'm getting more into UFC now.

[WickyWoo]

I really wish they didn't take the mask off Kane.

I know he doesn't either in some ways. There went his anonymity and his eyebrows

[Nerdkiller likes BD]

Hate the character, or busting kayfabe?

I would say the character but that also counts on wrestling experence (like "The Champ" and his 5 moves of doom)

Fire the Hollywood writers they got in that don't know wrestling, and go out and look for some new people who can talk AND wrestle. Fire Batista and all the other losers, and stop pretending like people actually like HHH

True. We probably need to get "real" wrestling fans and not children and women who would only make "The Champ" hold the belt even after he's dead.

WWF will always be better than anything else out there. TNA is going to go bankrupt soon, they can't afford to keep hiring the top talent with the money they draw. I respect how they're trying to do the ECW thing, but they're shooting too high with names, and hiring losers like Booker T, and Big Steiner Steroid. They're going to start having WCW problems, because for every hard worker like the Dudleys or Christian you hire, they're grabbing 2 people who are locker room problems

The problem with TNA is that all the stars that have won the world title since I started watching TNA last year have been already been in either WWE (Angle and Christian) or WCW (Sting). Also I think hiring Pacman Jones was a complete disaster as he never wrestled yet he held the tag titles with Ron Killings. Russo really needs to get it's s*it sorted out if TNA wants to stay in this business.

[Nerdkiller likes BD]

Do you think the In Your House PPV killed the atmosphere of the 4-5 a year PPV?

Would the illigetimate son angle be better if they had Mr. Kennedy instead of Hornswoggle (even though Kennedy was going to be the son, the wellness policy thing came in)?

Which is the best Wrestlemania?

Which is the best Hell in a Cell (besides Michaells V Taker and Mankind V Taker)?

Best Elimination Chamber?

Most disappointing match (i.e. overhyped and end result, bad match)?

What to do to improve TNA?

[Blu_Ray_UK2007]

Originally Posted by Nerdkiller likes BD

I just felt curious and just deciced to do a little thread on the greatest choriographed sport in the world. I'm not sure anyone has done this yet but what the hell. I want you to give me your opinion on:

How you got into wrestling

what was the best era for the sport

who's your fave wrestler (face and heel and fave out of those two)

which wrestler you hate the most (as above)

who's the most underrated wrestler (in oppinion)

most overrated wrestler (in oppinion)

your fave PPV

your fave match

your dream match

what you would do to improve WWE if you owned it

best storyline

worst storyline

which is better, WWE or TNA

and who would you like to see inducted into the hall of fame?

There's probably so many more questions but I can't think of anymore right now and I'd type what I'd had to say about the above but I'm too lazy right now. Let me know about all this.

Yeah I still watch, every show.. every week.
I dont enjoy it like I used to.. but it's something ive followed since I was a kid.. and find hard to let go.

Got into wrestling because my older brother all the way back when I was about 6 or 7.

Best era.. IMO was between 94 and 2001.. 1999 being my fav year.

Fav Wrestlers at the moment are HHH and Taker.. always was Austin when he was active.

Hate Cena.

Most underrated at the moment.. umh... umh cant call atm.

Same as above.

Fav PPV year is Mania and Rumble.
Fav of all time has to be Mania 15

I'm not 100% sure how i'd change wwe to make it better, but then i'm not really one of these people who takes story lines too seriously.. kinda take them as they come.

Best storyline was... The feuds between Austin and Vince, Austin and The Rock and I really enjoyed The Undertakers Ministry.

WWE over TNA hands down.
How people proclaim it as the future of wrestling I dont know.

Hogan and Austin and The Rock all deserve places in the Hall of Fame as the back bone of WWF's rise to glory.

[tqlla]

I stopped watching when HHH got married to Stephanie. I got tired of seeing him as the champ or the #1 contender. Plus the Rock was gone.. and Stone cold couldnt wrestle anymore, and mick foley retired. It was all downhill.

I think the best time for wrestling was when Stone cold and the Rock were battling for the Intercontinental Championship. Those were good times. Or maybe when the rock was battling Farooq for leadership of the Nation of Domination.

Favorite Heel= Kurt Angle when he was with Edge and Christian
Favorite Face=The Rock
Favorite Tag team = Gold Dust and Booker T
Best PPV = Wrestlemania, when the Rock faced Hulk Hogan

Man, I hate Triple H.

[TheRealBob]

I have watched pro wrestling since 1981 or so.

(For the mentally challenged out there that think watching it means believing it is real, I have always understood it was entertainment, not competitive sport.)

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How you got into wrestling

My dad enjoyed watching it. When I was 11 or 12, I read an article in the Chicago Sun-Times that exposed it as fake (who knew? ), and so, being a punk kid, the next time my dad sat down to watch AWA All-Star Wrestling I sat with him to share my knowledge with him so I could prove how much smarter I was than him. Next thing I knew, I was sucked into the show and became a more loyal viewer than my dad. I eventually talked him into taking the family to a big show in Chicago the featured Hulk Hogan and the High Fliers vs. The Sheiks and a 20-man, over-the-top battle royale featuring everyone on the card in addition to some special attractions such as...Andre the Giant!

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what was the best era for the sport

I became a big Hulk Hogan fan when he was in the AWA. While I liked the AWA's presentation of pro wrestling as a sport better than the WWF's presentation of it as as campy entertainment, it was a lot of fun to see Hogan go to the WWF and win their World title just as the WWF starting becoming the dominant promotion. For me, the Hogan era in the mid-1980s will always be my favorite, although the nWo / DX / Austin / Rock era in the late 1990s was fun as well.

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who's your fave wrestler (face and heel and fave out of those two)

Face and heel are hard to rate as almost everyone switches back and forth.

Probably Hogan for pure entertainment.

I'd probably go with Kurt Angle as far as skill goes.

Over the years, Hogan has provided more memorable moments. Angle can bring realism to chain wrestling, moonsault off the top of a cage, etc., but Hogan can do simple things like have a staredown with the Rock that just electrifies the crowd.

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which wrestler you hate the most (as above)

I'd have to go with the idiot that murdered his wife and son before killing himself.

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who's the most underrated wrestler (in opinion)

Shelton Benjamin, since his skill goes unrecognized.

Or maybe John Cena, just because he's great at entertaining and pretty good in the ring, but everyone seems to think he has no ring skills at all. Yes, he's no Ric Flair, but he's gotten good matches out of Umaga and others when it wasn't expected.

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most overrated wrestler (in opinion)

Triple H. He actually booked himself out of the top tier for a while, which was smart, but now that he's booked himself back into it, I find that the time away did him no good in my eyes, and I'm just as sick of seeing him win as I was before.

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your fave PPV

WrestleMania, especially the past ten years of it. The wrestlers seem to take it seriously and bring their A game these days.

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your fave match

Even though it doesn't stand up as a match, the hype for Hogan vs. Andre was so good that I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. Hogan vs. Warrior was also that way. Hogan vs. Rock was also great.

As far as athleticism goes, Samoa Joe vs. Christopher Daniels vs. AJ Styles was off the charts.

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your dream match

Probably Hogan vs. Austin.

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what you would do to improve WWE if you owned it

Stop treating the wrestlers like cattle. Give them occasional planned time off. Drug test them and have no mercy for the offenders to show that the point is their own health and not publicity.

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best storyline

Hogan vs. Andre, where Andre, influenced by Bobby Heenan, became resentful of Hogan's championship reign and turned evil.

Or maybe the year-long, slow build to Hogan vs. Randy Savage.

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worst storyline

Vince McMahon apparently dying in an explosion.

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which is better, WWE or TNA

My sympathies are with TNA Wrestling or anyone else trying to challenge the WWE, but for the big shows the WWE just brings it. TNA has better in-ring talent, but the writing is too stupid and makes you not care about anything that goes on in the ring.

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and who would you like to see inducted into the hall of fame?

The WWE Hall of Fame?

Definitely Randy Savage. It's ridiculous that they just completely ignore him to the point where they don't include his matches on the compilations where it would belong, such as the Ric Flair DVD.

[PeechCobblerPie]

I dislike wrestling

[TheRealBob]

Some comments on WickyWoo's comments:

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Fire the Hollywood writers they got in that don't know wrestling, and go out and look for some new people who can talk AND wrestle.

Amen!

Or bring in more managers, the way they used to do in the old days.

The promotions used to be good at covering up weaknesses (giving managers to those that didn't speak well, etc.). Now they seem to have this attitude that they want the whole package, so we have to sit through some dreadful performances. Why?

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Fire Batista and all the other losers, and stop pretending like people actually like HHH

I can't stand Batista. He's horrible in the ring. He's horrible on the mic. When they out of the blue had him start cracking jokes all the time, he was horrible at that. Then he shaved his head and looked like some kind of horrible bird with horribly big ears.

Not to mention that the guy is clearly roided to the gills. Nobody looks like that naturally. Period.

Yeah, Triple H should just go away. He shoved himself down our throats for so long that nobody wants to see him anymore. The guy that should have been the most secure in his spot since he married the boss's daughter instead had to influence all the booking so he dominated every show and won virtually every match.

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TNA is going to go bankrupt soon, they can't afford to keep hiring the top talent with the money they draw.

I don't know about that. They've never made money, so what would it mean to go bankrupt? Make even less money?

The owner Dixie Carter has a fortune on her hands, and even though TNA has lost her a lot of money, she is nowhere close to running out at this point. Basically she could pull the plug tomorrow or could run this thing indefinitely at their current rate of losses.

[Musashi]

Originally Posted by Nerdkiller likes BD

I just felt curious and just deciced to do a little thread on the greatest choriographed sport in the world. I'm not sure anyone has done this yet but what the hell. I want you to give me your opinion on:

I watch wrestling, albeit not that intently.

Originally Posted by Nerdkiller likes BD

How you got into wrestling

When I was about 14, my friend from down the street came hang out one Friday night, and suggested we watch WWE (F at the time) Challenge. Started following ever since. And I've now been to a house show, RAW 3 times, and even a Wrestlemania (XI to be exact). Ordered dozens of PPVs and have old ghettotastic VHS tapes of them.

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what was the best era for the sport

Late 90s. The Rock, Stone Cold, Mankind, The Undertaker, D-X, and those damn Dudleys.

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who's your fave wrestler (face and heel and fave out of those two)

Always was and will be The Undertaker.

I thought Owen Hart made a good heel wrestler before he... And Kurt Angle's good at that too.

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which wrestler you hate the most (as above)

In terms of hated in the kayfabe sense: Right To Censor earned some of that, along with Triple H during his predominany heel career.

As far as hating as in not wanting to see on TV: Snitzky (snooze job), and Test (good riddance).

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who's the most underrated wrestler (in oppinion)

Tommy Dreamer. He's a good athlete, good in-ring performer, brilliant and creative choreographer, and he's got more heart than half the guys Vince pushes combined. They don't use him anywhere near the way they could, like when he was in ECW.

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most overrated wrestler (in oppinion)

John Cena. I don't hate the guy like my friends do, but he held the title for freaking ever, all the while he stopped doing funny raps and rhymes, and became a 4-move wrestler.

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your fave PPV

Of all time: Wreslemania X. Bret v Owen was a blast, Ladder Match made it even better. And of course, obligatory controversy with guest referee Mr. Perfect.


In general: I used to really like King of the Ring, back when it was an 8-man, 1-night tournament. Kept me guessing who would advance or win. Nowadays: can't beat Wrestlemania.

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your fave match

Tommy Dreamer/Sandman v Dudley Boyz, from ECW One Night Stand 2005.

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your dream match

Hmm..how about: RVD, Jeff Hardy, Edge, The Undertaker, The Sandman, and Shawn Michaels in a Money in the bank Ladder Match.

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what you would do to improve WWE if you owned it

Let's see here: bring back Paul Heyman and let him handle ECW for a year without interference from the so-called creative team, and if it turns profit, he stays.

I'd improve the organization of stuff on WWE 24/7: synch pay-per-views with episodes of Raw and Nitro so you can follow the story as it happened back then. Add in weekend shows for good measures. Sell DVD (or even BD) sets containing all the WWE, ECW, or WCW footage from a particular month in history.

And finally: have more funny, trash talking interviews and segments, don't give excessive pushes to "the big men", and keep around guys who are simply more fun to watch. And for god's sake: retire Ric Flair. Yes, he had an amazing career and many great memories, but he's OLD. Not what I want to see. On that note: keep Mae Young off the air.

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best storyline

Austin-McMahon: simply classic. I also like The Rock's feuds with Stone Cold and Mankind. Or even The Undertaker's encounters with Yokozuna.

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worst storyline

The reunited Hart Foundation declaring war on America. Man, that was annoying.

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which is better, WWE or TNA

Thing is, I zapped TNA for almost a year. I liked them at first, but next thing I know they get whiny. Case and point: Crhino comes out, blasts WWE, burns the ECW titles. I turned the show off upon seeing that and haven't looked back until recently. It's a shame because I thought their talent was good, but they were being jerky and hypocritical. Like when Cornette comes out and says "I could give the title to my son-in-law". Clearly a reference to Vince/Triple H. I respond at my TV, "Or to yourself, eh Jeff." I started watching again recently. We'll see how it goes. They can be good, but they're definitely not the old ECW.

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and who would you like to see inducted into the hall of fame?

The Undertaker, Paul Heyman, Shawn Michaels, Scott Hall,

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There's probably so many more questions but I can't think of anymore right now and I'd type what I'd had to say about the above but I'm too lazy right now. Let me know about all this.

I don't get all the Triple H hatred. Overpushed, yes, but D-X is freaking hilarious.

[WickyWoo]

I don't know about that. They've never made money, so what would it mean to go bankrupt? Make even less money?

The owner Dixie Carter has a fortune on her hands, and even though TNA has lost her a lot of money, she is nowhere close to running out at this point. Basically she could pull the plug tomorrow or could run this thing indefinitely at their current rate of losses.

Point taken

I want TNA to stick around cause Vince is only at his best when he has real competition, I want them to stick around so things like Unions can get pushed through, no more of this independant contracter BS. If Vince likes you, and you get hurt, he makes sure you're taken care of (no Davey Boy Smith incidents), but this has to be guaranteed. Health Insurance for these guys is huge, and given that they're on the road 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year, they need to have time off. Wrestling needs an offseason. They need to heal, the creative team could use the time to craft a real "road to wrestlemania" that can take storylines through multiple PPVs. If they took off between Survivor series and the Rumble, they miss the worst TV season, everyone gets the holidays off, and you can build

I casually know some WWF superstars, and these are the things they most wish for. Honestly I think that you'd have half the roid problems they have right now. Half the people who go on them do so to heal, or to get bigger because Vince shits on the cruisers (he's always after monsters)