Quicktime HD movie trailers to play on standalone? - Blu-ray Forum

jfcarbel · 03-09-2008, 07:45 AM

I know that my Panasonic supports AVCHD from a data DVD or a flash drive. The data DVD will have to be formatted in UDF 2.5

Since AVCHD is just H.264 video like Quicktime movie trailers, shouldn't there be a way for me to be able to play these on my Blu-Ray standalone?

I know that AVCHD is wrapped inside an MPEG-2 transport stream. But will it recognize other streams with H.264?

I found a thread which claims that PS3 owners can use Quicktime Pro passthrough conversion feature to change the .MOV to a standard .MP4 container.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=4866&page=2

Can standalones play the .MP4 files on a data DVD?

But I believe the audio may be in ACC which standalones would not support. But it might be possible to demux the audio, convert it to 5.1 AC3, and remux it. But I am not sure its even possible to convert ACC 5.1 -> AC3 5.1 and then even if it is there is a possibility of audio sync issues.

Its possible thought that if the audio is passed thru as bitstream via HDMI and your receiver supports ACC then you get audio in all its 5.1 glory without doing anything.

Has anyone attempted to get this working?

It would be awesome if I could download 1080 HD movie trailers from Apples site and view and hear them on my 60" HDTV via the Panasonic Blu-Ray.

jfcarbel · 03-10-2008, 02:03 AM

I think I have a compatible file, see process here. But I believe I should update my Panny BD30 to firmware 1.6 before I try.

WriteSimply · 03-10-2008, 03:07 AM

This is one of the advantages of the PS3. Standalones have them also.

fuad

jfcarbel · 03-10-2008, 05:37 AM

Well it looks like I need to get Nero 8 or Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6 to burn a DVD that can be read by the Blu-Ray player. I will make sure to post once I get these on disc and let you know the results.

tommyboy81 · 03-10-2008, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfcarbel

I know that my Panasonic supports AVCHD from a data DVD or a flash drive. The data DVD will have to be formatted in UDF 2.5

Since AVCHD is just H.264 video like Quicktime movie trailers, shouldn't there be a way for me to be able to play these on my Blu-Ray standalone?

I know that AVCHD is wrapped inside an MPEG-2 transport stream. But will it recognize other streams with H.264?

I found a thread which claims that PS3 owners can use Quicktime Pro passthrough conversion feature to change the .MOV to a standard .MP4 container.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=4866&page=2

Can standalones play the .MP4 files on a data DVD?

But I believe the audio may be in ACC which standalones would not support. But it might be possible to demux the audio, convert it to 5.1 AC3, and remux it. But I am not sure its even possible to convert ACC 5.1 -> AC3 5.1 and then even if it is there is a possibility of audio sync issues.

Its possible thought that if the audio is passed thru as bitstream via HDMI and your receiver supports ACC then you get audio in all its 5.1 glory without doing anything.

Has anyone attempted to get this working?

It would be awesome if I could download 1080 HD movie trailers from Apples site and view and hear them on my 60" HDTV via the Panasonic Blu-Ray.

???

???

Just reading this makes feel stupider than before. O great it's starting.

PuzZLeR · 03-10-2008, 05:53 PM

It seems this is a mystery. So far, from what I observe, these files shouldn't be a problem playing back on a BD player that has a file feature, which also plays MP3, JPEG, or even a DivX Certified player that plays video and much like the PS3 does. As of last month, the first DivX Certified player made it to BD, so this is encouraging, even for MP4.

Since an H.264 decoder chipset is in every BD player by default the playback of H.264 content is not an issue, but the only sure thing with your files is for a player that has, like I said, a file feature, not as a AVCHD/BD standard.

For playback as an AVCHD/BD standard there is no guarantee. It may or may not work, and there may be issues in the short term until the market adapts in the next few years.

First of all MP4 is not BD compliant. You would definitely have to remux to a transport stream. This is the easy and lossless part.

Second of all, the ISO group that designed MP4 and the BD group didn't meet on audio - one accepts AAC and rejects AC3 while the other is the opposite. You would definitely have to re-encode the audio since AVCHD is really AVC+AC3/PCM.

Third of all, no one knows. You can have an H.264 video stream at the right resolution, but no documentation AFAIK has been published as far as B frames, multiple reference frames, dct, etc., for BD specs or AVCHD. Without a "file" feature in the player, you may have to re-encode if you want AVCHD, or authorable BD, compliant streams.

However, if worse comes to worst, hang on to your files as is. You can always get a BD player that plays files in the interim, and in the long run all BD players will be playing MP4, MKV, AAC audio, etc. since that will be the norm on the Internet, cell phones, etc., just like MP3 is so compatible with everything today.

PuzZLeR · 03-14-2008, 05:01 PM

Just thought I'd post a link mentioning that DivX Certification is coming to BD.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080303/20080303005616.html?.v=1

Since this player will play "files", I can only see that this is encouraging for QT files, or H.264 in MP4, as well.

Mr. Hanky · 03-14-2008, 05:51 PM

I am curious to check out some Quicktime HD movie trailers, as well, but where can you download/save these files? I thought you can only play them directly on the Apple website through a flash interface.

Bullet · 03-14-2008, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky

I am curious to check out some Quicktime HD movie trailers, as well, but where can you download/save these files? I thought you can only play them directly on the Apple website through a flash interface.

iTunes

CptGreedle · 03-14-2008, 06:07 PM

well I am not sure about everyone else, but with Quicktime pro (which I use) it is easy to save these files. Apple's website with all the trailers does not protect these from download so it is easy to put a trailer on your computer, and with quicktime pro I can convert them to mp4 and watch them on my PS3.
I just hope that the PS3 will play mov files someday so I can watch mov files online via the PS3 web browser.

WriteSimply · 03-14-2008, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky

I am curious to check out some Quicktime HD movie trailers, as well, but where can you download/save these files? I thought you can only play them directly on the Apple website through a flash interface.

Firstly, you need at least one software to get the .MOV container to be converted to .MP4. NAMB is a freeware but I don't know if it can passthrough multichannel AAC to the final MP4. If you like watching the latest trailers on your HDTV, consider getting QT Pro.

Second software you MAY need is Download Accelerator. You don't need to pay for the ad-ware version. It helps speed up your download.

Finally, here's Dave's Trailer Page. If you click on the link for the trailers, QT/QT Pro will open. You want to download it first hence Download Accelerator and then convert containers.

fuad

sAvAgE69 · 03-14-2008, 06:29 PM

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Mr. Hanky · 03-14-2008, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullet1217

iTunes

Well yes, that is what I meant. It only streams from there, no? There is no option to download and save (to play back later), is there?

jfcarbel · 03-15-2008, 06:38 PM

In my second post I have a link to the process I followed, just click on it for more information.

Brief overview:
Quicktime Pro ($29) allows you to save files. Then used audio and video passthrough option on the Quicktime Pro export to MP4, so that the video and audio remains untouched and just wrapped into an MP4 container. Then convert MP4 to an mkv file using mkvmerge. Then convert mkv file to m2ts file using mkv2vob. mkv2vob also converts the sound stream from AAC 5.1 to AC3 5.1. Final product is an .m2ts file with 1080p H.264 video and AC3 5.1 audio.

Now the only issue is that trailers are 1080p and the spec for AVCHD claims to only support up to 1080i. So if the Blu-Ray standalone follows the spec specifically then it will not play the file, however, BD players can support 1080p so I would imagine it would play it.

Basically we are trying to use a feature of the Blu-Ray player that supports AVCHD which is HD Camcorder files which normally contain a 1080i H.264 stream with AC3 5.1 sound wrapped inside an MPEG-2 transport stream (aka .m2ts files).

I get me trailers from Apples site:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/

I have not had time yet to burn the trailers I converted to disc. But I have Nero 8 and Ulead Movie Factory 6 so I may give it a try this weekend and report back.

UPDATE:

Here are some guides I found for burning the discs:

http://forum.videohelp.com/topic346069.html
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/0...dvds-for-free/
http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-page...-pid-1051.html

Mr. Hanky · 03-15-2008, 10:19 PM

Ah, I see how this works, now!

I just needed the link to the trailers page- thanks! Previously, I wandered all over the site and in itms, and never happened upon this area. [smacks head to forehead]

WriteSimply · 03-16-2008, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky

Ah, I see how this works, now!

I just needed the link to the trailers page- thanks! Previously, I wandered all over the site and in itms, and never happened upon this area. [smacks head to forehead]

If you are connecting a PS3 to a HDMI receiver with multichannel input, you may get 5.1 trailers as some of these trailers are in 5.1 AAC.

fuad

03-09-2008, 07:45 AM	#1
jfcarbel Expert Member Member since:Nov 2007 4K collection:44 Blu-ray collection:1241 Trading Score:2	Quicktime HD movie trailers to play on standalone? I know that my Panasonic supports AVCHD from a data DVD or a flash drive. The data DVD will have to be formatted in UDF 2.5 Since AVCHD is just H.264 video like Quicktime movie trailers, shouldn't there be a way for me to be able to play these on my Blu-Ray standalone? I know that AVCHD is wrapped inside an MPEG-2 transport stream. But will it recognize other streams with H.264? I found a thread which claims that PS3 owners can use Quicktime Pro passthrough conversion feature to change the .MOV to a standard .MP4 container. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=4866&page=2 Can standalones play the .MP4 files on a data DVD? But I believe the audio may be in ACC which standalones would not support. But it might be possible to demux the audio, convert it to 5.1 AC3, and remux it. But I am not sure its even possible to convert ACC 5.1 -> AC3 5.1 and then even if it is there is a possibility of audio sync issues. Its possible thought that if the audio is passed thru as bitstream via HDMI and your receiver supports ACC then you get audio in all its 5.1 glory without doing anything. Has anyone attempted to get this working? It would be awesome if I could download 1080 HD movie trailers from Apples site and view and hear them on my 60" HDTV via the Panasonic Blu-Ray.

03-10-2008, 05:53 PM	#6
PuzZLeR Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Toronto Ontario Canada	It seems this is a mystery. So far, from what I observe, these files shouldn't be a problem playing back on a BD player that has a file feature, which also plays MP3, JPEG, or even a DivX Certified player that plays video and much like the PS3 does. As of last month, the first DivX Certified player made it to BD, so this is encouraging, even for MP4. Since an H.264 decoder chipset is in every BD player by default the playback of H.264 content is not an issue, but the only sure thing with your files is for a player that has, like I said, a file feature, not as a AVCHD/BD standard. For playback as an AVCHD/BD standard there is no guarantee. It may or may not work, and there may be issues in the short term until the market adapts in the next few years. First of all MP4 is not BD compliant. You would definitely have to remux to a transport stream. This is the easy and lossless part. Second of all, the ISO group that designed MP4 and the BD group didn't meet on audio - one accepts AAC and rejects AC3 while the other is the opposite. You would definitely have to re-encode the audio since AVCHD is really AVC+AC3/PCM. Third of all, no one knows. You can have an H.264 video stream at the right resolution, but no documentation AFAIK has been published as far as B frames, multiple reference frames, dct, etc., for BD specs or AVCHD. Without a "file" feature in the player, you may have to re-encode if you want AVCHD, or authorable BD, compliant streams. However, if worse comes to worst, hang on to your files as is. You can always get a BD player that plays files in the interim, and in the long run all BD players will be playing MP4, MKV, AAC audio, etc. since that will be the norm on the Internet, cell phones, etc., just like MP3 is so compatible with everything today. Last edited by PuzZLeR; 03-10-2008 at 05:55 PM.

03-14-2008, 06:29 PM	#12
sAvAgE69 Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Spruce Grove Alberta Blu-ray collection:13 Blu-ray reviews:6	This page may help you http://www.earfeast.com/software/blu-ray/ Tells you what you need to author a blu ray, and a whole bunch of other information that may help you on your quest Good Luck

03-15-2008, 06:38 PM	#14
jfcarbel Expert Member Member since:Nov 2007 4K collection:44 Blu-ray collection:1241 Trading Score:2	In my second post I have a link to the process I followed, just click on it for more information. Brief overview: Quicktime Pro ($29) allows you to save files. Then used audio and video passthrough option on the Quicktime Pro export to MP4, so that the video and audio remains untouched and just wrapped into an MP4 container. Then convert MP4 to an mkv file using mkvmerge. Then convert mkv file to m2ts file using mkv2vob. mkv2vob also converts the sound stream from AAC 5.1 to AC3 5.1. Final product is an .m2ts file with 1080p H.264 video and AC3 5.1 audio. Now the only issue is that trailers are 1080p and the spec for AVCHD claims to only support up to 1080i. So if the Blu-Ray standalone follows the spec specifically then it will not play the file, however, BD players can support 1080p so I would imagine it would play it. Basically we are trying to use a feature of the Blu-Ray player that supports AVCHD which is HD Camcorder files which normally contain a 1080i H.264 stream with AC3 5.1 sound wrapped inside an MPEG-2 transport stream (aka .m2ts files). I get me trailers from Apples site: http://www.apple.com/trailers/ I have not had time yet to burn the trailers I converted to disc. But I have Nero 8 and Ulead Movie Factory 6 so I may give it a try this weekend and report back. UPDATE: Here are some guides I found for burning the discs: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic346069.html http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/0...dvds-for-free/ http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-page...-pid-1051.html Last edited by jfcarbel; 03-17-2008 at 05:27 AM.

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03-10-2008, 02:03 AM	#2
jfcarbel Expert Member Member since:Nov 2007 4K collection:44 Blu-ray collection:1241 Trading Score:2	I think I have a compatible file, see process here. But I believe I should update my Panny BD30 to firmware 1.6 before I try.

03-10-2008, 03:07 AM	#3
WriteSimply Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia	This is one of the advantages of the PS3. Standalones have them also. fuad

03-10-2008, 05:37 AM	#4
jfcarbel Expert Member Member since:Nov 2007 4K collection:44 Blu-ray collection:1241 Trading Score:2	Well it looks like I need to get Nero 8 or Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6 to burn a DVD that can be read by the Blu-Ray player. I will make sure to post once I get these on disc and let you know the results.

03-14-2008, 05:01 PM	#7
PuzZLeR Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Toronto Ontario Canada	Just thought I'd post a link mentioning that DivX Certification is coming to BD. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080303/20080303005616.html?.v=1 Since this player will play "files", I can only see that this is encouraging for QT files, or H.264 in MP4, as well.

03-14-2008, 05:51 PM	#8
Mr. Hanky Active Member Member since:Sep 2007	I am curious to check out some Quicktime HD movie trailers, as well, but where can you download/save these files? I thought you can only play them directly on the Apple website through a flash interface.

03-14-2008, 06:07 PM	#10
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	well I am not sure about everyone else, but with Quicktime pro (which I use) it is easy to save these files. Apple's website with all the trailers does not protect these from download so it is easy to put a trailer on your computer, and with quicktime pro I can convert them to mp4 and watch them on my PS3. I just hope that the PS3 will play mov files someday so I can watch mov files online via the PS3 web browser.

03-15-2008, 10:19 PM	#15
Mr. Hanky Active Member Member since:Sep 2007	Ah, I see how this works, now! I just needed the link to the trailers page- thanks! Previously, I wandered all over the site and in itms, and never happened upon this area. [smacks head to forehead]

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