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JonBoy · 12-24-2006, 05:16 PM

If a copy of a BD movie can be made without any attemp to override copyright protection, why can't it be played back?

Dave · 12-24-2006, 05:43 PM

That is the purpose of the copy protection. The copy is unusable (for now)

theknub · 12-24-2006, 05:54 PM

eventually, the managed copy system (or whatever it is called) will be implemented. at that point, you will legally beable to make a copy for personal use.

JonBoy · 12-24-2006, 06:58 PM

Copy protection that destroys private property has to be illegal. Ther are people in jail and others that had to pay large sums of money for law suit judgements for setting booby traps that led to either injury or damage to personal property regardless of the ill intent of the victim. Copying is only illegal if you do something to purposely override the protection. This copy process went without any problems at all and without using any means to override any protection. The files on both disks are identical, Power DVD tries to play the copied movie but my "Sony, BWU-100A" refuses to read it. Sony was all too happy to take my $749.00 when I bought the burner, the burner was all too happy to make the copy for me, the Sony people seem all too happy with themselves for comming up with this cute little desception. I wonder how happy they would feel about a class action law suit.

theknub · 12-24-2006, 08:09 PM

umm, does the drive still work? i.e. can you read a pressed BR disc and/or still write a disc? if so, then the drive is not damaged.

as for what you have described, not one thing has been damaged

Maximus · 12-24-2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JonBoy

Copy protection that destroys private property has to be illegal. Ther are people in jail and others that had to pay large sums of money for law suit judgements for setting booby traps that led to either injury or damage to personal property regardless of the ill intent of the victim. Copying is only illegal if you do something to purposely override the protection. This copy process went without any problems at all and without using any means to override any protection. The files on both disks are identical, Power DVD tries to play the copied movie but my "Sony, BWU-100A" refuses to read it. Sony was all too happy to take my $749.00 when I bought the burner, the burner was all too happy to make the copy for me, the Sony people seem all too happy with themselves for comming up with this cute little desception. I wonder how happy they would feel about a class action law suit.

sir, it is called copyright protection, the only reason you didn't notice copying on DVD is CSS was awful and easily cracked by brute-force. Try and take the BDA to court, I dare you, the only outcome will be that they will fine/lock you up for buying a copied BD or for copying it and trying to bypass the ROM-mark in the BDs.

PS - the files may be the same, but the disc structure is completely differnet and PowerDVD will recognise the differnce and refuse to play it.

JonBoy · 12-24-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

sir, it is called copyright protection, the only reason you didn't notice copying on DVD is CSS was awful and easily cracked by brute-force. Try and take the BDA to court, I dare you, the only outcome will be that they will fine/lock you up for buying a copied BD or for copying it and trying to bypass the ROM-mark in the BDs.

PS - the files may be the same, but the disc structure is completely differnet and PowerDVD will recognise the differnce and refuse to play it.

The text that tells you the disk is copyrighted means nothing when it comes to making a personal copy of a disk you own. This case has been tried in court and the result was and still is "you can make a backup copy of a movie as long as you take no action to override the copyright protection"

JonBoy · 12-24-2006, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by theknub

umm, does the drive still work? i.e. can you read a pressed BR disc and/or still write a disc? if so, then the drive is not damaged.

as for what you have described, not one thing has been damaged

I have a useless $20.00 Blue-Ray disk as a result taking legal steps to make a copy of a movie. The protection should have stopped the copy from being made in the first place, not render someone elses private property useless.

theknub · 12-24-2006, 09:28 PM

the only reason your disc is useless is because of the method YOU used to make the copy. sooner or later, there will be a proper method for making personal copies.

FYI, making copies of DVD's is illegal. if you can show me a case where it is legal, then please show me where. don't just state it, but give us a link to the case or something offering proof.

BR will eventually be offering something where this won't be a concern. it just has not been implemented yet.

Maximus · 12-24-2006, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JonBoy

The text that tells you the disk is copyrighted means nothing when it comes to making a personal copy of a disk you own. This case has been tried in court and the result was and still is "you can make a backup copy of a movie as long as you take no action to override the copyright protection"

Well I wonder what you did by copying it?

theknub · 12-24-2006, 09:55 PM

^^max, i understand what you're saying. however, we don't need to be saying things like that and attacking other members.

Maximus · 12-24-2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by theknub

^^max, i understand what you're saying. however, we don't need to be saying things like that and attacking other members.

I would apologise, but I am not sorry. I love new members, but they should listen to what we say, most new topics have already been discussed and this guy just needed to read the main website about MMC.

Dave · 12-25-2006, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JonBoy

I have a useless $20.00 Blue-Ray disk as a result taking legal steps to make a copy of a movie. The protection should have stopped the copy from being made in the first place, not render someone elses private property useless.

What are you saying? That the original disk is damaged or what?
If you dont break the BD in half it would play on every player or drive out there!

JonBoy · 12-26-2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

I would apologise, but I am not sorry. I love new members, but they should listen to what we say, most new topics have already been discussed and this guy just needed to read the main website about MMC.

Something to listen to would be something like 'Try the main website and read about MCC'.

Deciazulado · 12-26-2006, 01:27 PM

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12-24-2006, 05:16 PM	#1
JonBoy Junior Member Member since:Dec 2006	BD copies If a copy of a BD movie can be made without any attemp to override copyright protection, why can't it be played back?

12-24-2006, 06:58 PM	#4
JonBoy Junior Member Member since:Dec 2006	illegal!!! Copy protection that destroys private property has to be illegal. Ther are people in jail and others that had to pay large sums of money for law suit judgements for setting booby traps that led to either injury or damage to personal property regardless of the ill intent of the victim. Copying is only illegal if you do something to purposely override the protection. This copy process went without any problems at all and without using any means to override any protection. The files on both disks are identical, Power DVD tries to play the copied movie but my "Sony, BWU-100A" refuses to read it. Sony was all too happy to take my $749.00 when I bought the burner, the burner was all too happy to make the copy for me, the Sony people seem all too happy with themselves for comming up with this cute little desception. I wonder how happy they would feel about a class action law suit.

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12-24-2006, 05:43 PM	#2
Dave Expert Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Somewhere	That is the purpose of the copy protection. The copy is unusable (for now)

12-24-2006, 05:54 PM	#3
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	eventually, the managed copy system (or whatever it is called) will be implemented. at that point, you will legally beable to make a copy for personal use.

12-24-2006, 08:09 PM	#5
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	umm, does the drive still work? i.e. can you read a pressed BR disc and/or still write a disc? if so, then the drive is not damaged. as for what you have described, not one thing has been damaged

12-24-2006, 09:28 PM	#9
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	the only reason your disc is useless is because of the method YOU used to make the copy. sooner or later, there will be a proper method for making personal copies. FYI, making copies of DVD's is illegal. if you can show me a case where it is legal, then please show me where. don't just state it, but give us a link to the case or something offering proof. BR will eventually be offering something where this won't be a concern. it just has not been implemented yet.

12-24-2006, 09:55 PM	#11
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	^^max, i understand what you're saying. however, we don't need to be saying things like that and attacking other members.

12-26-2006, 01:27 PM	#15
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1160 Blu-ray collection:7047 DVD collection:4044	This thread has been closed because of the insults. A reminder of some of the Forum rules: General rules * Please do not use foul language * No bashing other members * Use the Report Post option via the icon to report any rule violations rather than responding to them directly.

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