The real reason for all the bad movies - Blu-ray Forum

aktonin · 12-25-2006, 12:39 AM

They want to release the crap films before they turn on Image Constraint Token.

So people can pirate all the crap movies, but 1080p piracy of films like Star Wars, etc., is just unacceptable.

I reckon they'll get people hooked on the format, then pull the rag out from behind our feet.

Werewolk Killer · 12-25-2006, 01:04 AM

People are so worried about this whole token thing. I do no see why just because you need to have a tv with HDMI. There have not been enough sets sold with that feature to do it. Just think for a moment how many people would not be able to watch movies because of that. All of the hd sets sold since the late 99 until the last year or so are is in the MILLIONS. That would just be shooting themselves in the foot. Funny how people are not worried about it for TV. The same ablity is there too, there was talk of doing that so you had to have a set with HDMI to watch the Super Bowl in HD. At the end of the day it will always be about money and until 60-80% of the tvs in homes can view movies and shows with the token on I would not lose any sleep. And the movies that are coming out. Well yes they have some poor titles, but again it is about money. Remember when cds and dvds came out. I did not want a thing on either because they catered to the crowd that would spend 1000 dollars for the player. Stats my say that ppl in that income/age group made up the sales of these titles. And the day to day releases where of current moives and lets be honest most movies this past year sucked.

Chad Varnadore · 12-25-2006, 01:58 AM

Fox is against ICT. So we may never see it with their titles. In fact with BDs added copy protection it may be less likely to be used on BD than HD. But if the studios are holding back bigger titles, it's not because of ICT. Warner is waiting to be able to do PIP commentaries like they are on HD. Disney wants the technology to mature a little more too, so they can do more with their bigger titles. And then there are Lucas, Spielberg, and Cameron. All three denied DVD their bigger properties until the market had grown some or rather it had proven itself. Why they supported LD earlier I don't know. But I wouldn't expect any of their bigger draws too early. Cameron will probably be the first to give consent, then Spielberg, and later Lucas, if it plays out like DVD. They also want to make sure the bugs have been worked out or the technologies have been polished a little. Spielberg will probably want considerable hardware support in place of DTS HD. All might wait til HDMI 1.3 is more common. But they'll want to do it right the first time, so their films don't look or sound dated a year or two later.

blukrank · 12-25-2006, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Varnadore

Fox is against ICT. So we may never see it with their titles. In fact with BDs added copy protection it may be less likely to be used on BD than HD. But if the studios are holding back bigger titles, it's not because of ICT. Warner is waiting to be able to do PIP commentaries like they are on HD. Disney wants the technology to mature a little more too, so they can do more with their bigger titles. And then there are Lucas, Spielberg, and Cameron. All three denied DVD their bigger properties until the market had grown some or rather it had proven itself. Why they supported LD earlier I don't know. But I wouldn't expect any of their bigger draws too early. Cameron will probably be the first to give consent, then Spielberg, and later Lucas, if it plays out like DVD. They also want to make sure the bugs have been worked out or the technologies have been polished a little. Spielberg will probably want considerable hardware support in place of DTS HD. All might wait til HDMI 1.3 is more common. But they'll want to do it right the first time, so their films don't look or sound dated a year or two later.

Theres already 2 James Cameron movies out on Blu-Ray Terminator 1 and 2.

Chad Varnadore · 12-25-2006, 04:01 AM

Shouldn't be long before we hear an announcement from Spielberg then.

Actually, I'm a little fuzzy on Cameron. Seems like one or both Terminators came out fairly early on DVD too. I just remember having to wait a couple years for Titanic.

blukrank · 12-25-2006, 11:49 AM

[QUOTE=Chad Varnadore;36469]Shouldn't be long before we hear an announcement from Spielberg then.

Actually, I'm a little fuzzy on Cameron. Seems like one or both Terminators came out fairly early on DVD too. I just remember having to wait a couple years for Titanic

I say the first tittle from Spielberg would be Close Encounters of The 3rd Kind? as Spielberg did that movie over at Columbia what is now Sony Pictures.His other big hits like Jaws are Universal films and so far Universal has only been supporting HD DVD.Yeah theres also Indiana Jones that was made over at Paramount that would be nice to have in High Def.
As for Cameron would love to see The Abyss on Blu-Ray that would be a great Blu-Ray disc.Tittanic as well would be nice.

MFS3Kiryu · 12-25-2006, 01:57 PM

True Lies on Blu-Ray would be friggin amazing.

Chad Varnadore · 12-25-2006, 03:59 PM

I want them all! I think Lucas has say on when Indiana comes out though. We still haven't heard from Dreamworks and if Paramount is going to be distributing DW instead of Universal now, there's a good chance we'll see SPR and others on BD. But Spielberg and Lucas may not give consent until one format has complete studio support either, which would mean Universal releasing on BD, as Sony isn't going to release on HD as long as DVD sales are still strong, which could last another ten years. Fox is pretty adamant as well, and according to our contacts so is Disney. The way I see it, the only chance of there ever being a unified format is in Blu. At this point, if HD DVD picks up any more studio support this year, I doubt either will grow past a niche market for years, which could prolong some of the titles in question, not to mention seeing the same limited support we're seeing now of new films. But if they don't pick up any major studios, it won't even be discussed as a war by the end of 2007.

blukrank · 12-25-2006, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFS3Kiryu

True Lies on Blu-Ray would be friggin amazing.

Yeah True Lies would be great.I was told the DVHS version of True Lies was amazing.

GoldenRedux · 12-25-2006, 04:52 PM

Let me see:

The Da Vinci Code
Marie Antoinette
Reservoir Dogs
The Silence of the Lambs
Glory
Hoosiers
From Hell
First Blood

These are just a few of the 'bad' movies that will be coming out in the next couple of months on BD. How awful.

goodstuff · 12-25-2006, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFS3Kiryu

True Lies on Blu-Ray would be friggin amazing.

Oh hell yes. Imagine going from a non-anamophic DVD to full Blu-Ray glory!

12-25-2006, 12:39 AM	#1
aktonin Junior Member Member since:May 2006	The real reason for all the bad movies They want to release the crap films before they turn on Image Constraint Token. So people can pirate all the crap movies, but 1080p piracy of films like Star Wars, etc., is just unacceptable. I reckon they'll get people hooked on the format, then pull the rag out from behind our feet.

12-25-2006, 01:04 AM	#2
Werewolk Killer Member Member since:May 2006 Location:Raleigh, NC USA	I doubt that will happen. People are so worried about this whole token thing. I do no see why just because you need to have a tv with HDMI. There have not been enough sets sold with that feature to do it. Just think for a moment how many people would not be able to watch movies because of that. All of the hd sets sold since the late 99 until the last year or so are is in the MILLIONS. That would just be shooting themselves in the foot. Funny how people are not worried about it for TV. The same ablity is there too, there was talk of doing that so you had to have a set with HDMI to watch the Super Bowl in HD. At the end of the day it will always be about money and until 60-80% of the tvs in homes can view movies and shows with the token on I would not lose any sleep. And the movies that are coming out. Well yes they have some poor titles, but again it is about money. Remember when cds and dvds came out. I did not want a thing on either because they catered to the crowd that would spend 1000 dollars for the player. Stats my say that ppl in that income/age group made up the sales of these titles. And the day to day releases where of current moives and lets be honest most movies this past year sucked.

12-25-2006, 01:58 AM	#3
Chad Varnadore Senior Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Salisbury, NC Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:349 Blu-ray reviews:19	Fox is against ICT. So we may never see it with their titles. In fact with BDs added copy protection it may be less likely to be used on BD than HD. But if the studios are holding back bigger titles, it's not because of ICT. Warner is waiting to be able to do PIP commentaries like they are on HD. Disney wants the technology to mature a little more too, so they can do more with their bigger titles. And then there are Lucas, Spielberg, and Cameron. All three denied DVD their bigger properties until the market had grown some or rather it had proven itself. Why they supported LD earlier I don't know. But I wouldn't expect any of their bigger draws too early. Cameron will probably be the first to give consent, then Spielberg, and later Lucas, if it plays out like DVD. They also want to make sure the bugs have been worked out or the technologies have been polished a little. Spielberg will probably want considerable hardware support in place of DTS HD. All might wait til HDMI 1.3 is more common. But they'll want to do it right the first time, so their films don't look or sound dated a year or two later. Last edited by Chad Varnadore; 12-25-2006 at 02:00 AM.

12-25-2006, 03:59 PM	#8
Chad Varnadore Senior Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Salisbury, NC Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:349 Blu-ray reviews:19	I want them all! I think Lucas has say on when Indiana comes out though. We still haven't heard from Dreamworks and if Paramount is going to be distributing DW instead of Universal now, there's a good chance we'll see SPR and others on BD. But Spielberg and Lucas may not give consent until one format has complete studio support either, which would mean Universal releasing on BD, as Sony isn't going to release on HD as long as DVD sales are still strong, which could last another ten years. Fox is pretty adamant as well, and according to our contacts so is Disney. The way I see it, the only chance of there ever being a unified format is in Blu. At this point, if HD DVD picks up any more studio support this year, I doubt either will grow past a niche market for years, which could prolong some of the titles in question, not to mention seeing the same limited support we're seeing now of new films. But if they don't pick up any major studios, it won't even be discussed as a war by the end of 2007. Last edited by Chad Varnadore; 12-25-2006 at 04:02 PM.

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12-25-2006, 04:01 AM	#5
Chad Varnadore Senior Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Salisbury, NC Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:349 Blu-ray reviews:19	Shouldn't be long before we hear an announcement from Spielberg then. Actually, I'm a little fuzzy on Cameron. Seems like one or both Terminators came out fairly early on DVD too. I just remember having to wait a couple years for Titanic.

12-25-2006, 11:49 AM	#6
blukrank Senior Member Member since:Mar 2006 Location:MO Blu-ray collection:224 Blu-ray reviews:5	[QUOTE=Chad Varnadore;36469]Shouldn't be long before we hear an announcement from Spielberg then. Actually, I'm a little fuzzy on Cameron. Seems like one or both Terminators came out fairly early on DVD too. I just remember having to wait a couple years for Titanic I say the first tittle from Spielberg would be Close Encounters of The 3rd Kind? as Spielberg did that movie over at Columbia what is now Sony Pictures.His other big hits like Jaws are Universal films and so far Universal has only been supporting HD DVD.Yeah theres also Indiana Jones that was made over at Paramount that would be nice to have in High Def. As for Cameron would love to see The Abyss on Blu-Ray that would be a great Blu-Ray disc.Tittanic as well would be nice.

12-25-2006, 01:57 PM	#7
MFS3Kiryu Active Member Member since:Dec 2006	True Lies on Blu-Ray would be friggin amazing.

12-25-2006, 04:52 PM	#10
GoldenRedux Power Member Member since:Sep 2006 Blu-ray reviews:1	Let me see: The Da Vinci Code Marie Antoinette Reservoir Dogs The Silence of the Lambs Glory Hoosiers From Hell First Blood These are just a few of the 'bad' movies that will be coming out in the next couple of months on BD. How awful.

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