What Happens When Your Player and Display Can't Support 1080p/24?

[ClinicaTerra LTD]

If a player doesn't output 1080p/24 and a display can't handle it anyway, as is my situation with my Panny 'BD10A and Sony KDS-50A2020, respectively, what happens when playing BDs that are mastered at a frame rate of 1080p/24? Is any information "lost" per se from the signal? Could this "downconversion" that takes place in players that can't output it actually cause "reduced" playback performance or image?

I'm thinking that perhaps my '10A's lack of 1080p/24 output and my Sony SXRD's lack of being able to accept and display it is what's causing my dissatisfaction with what I'm seeing from my BDs...

[Bonifax]

Originally Posted by ClinicaTerra LTD

If a player doesn't output 1080p/24 and a display can't handle it anyway, as is my situation with my Panny 'BD10A and Sony KDS-50A2020, respectively, what happens when playing BDs that are mastered at a frame rate of 1080p/24? Is any information "lost" per se from the signal? Could this "downconversion" that takes place in players that can't output it actually cause "reduced" playback performance or image?

I'm thinking that perhaps my '10A's lack of 1080p/24 output and my Sony SXRD's lack of being able to accept and display it is what's causing my dissatisfaction with what I'm seeing from my BDs...

No downconvertion here, the only thing that happens is that the BD player sends the 1080p signal at 60 frames per second instead of 24.

[ClinicaTerra LTD]

Originally Posted by Bonifax

No downconvertion here, the only thing that happens is that the BD player sends the 1080p signal at 60 frames per second instead of 24.

Thank you, Bonifax, for clearing this up a bit for me...

But aren't BD films mastered at 1080p/24? How does it "send" the signal at 60 then?

And would this sending of 60fps cause a film to look "significantly worse" than if it were displayed at 24fps? Is it really that big of a deal?

[jsteinhauer]

Originally Posted by ClinicaTerra LTD

Thank you, Bonifax, for clearing this up a bit for me...

But aren't BD films mastered at 1080p/24? How does it "send" the signal at 60 then?

And would this sending of 60fps cause a film to look "significantly worse" than if it were displayed at 24fps? Is it really that big of a deal?

How big a deal it is depends on the individual. Additional frames are created, and the 60fps motion is less smooth than 24fps, but this is my opinion: If the movie is really good, or at least really entertaining, you are paying attention to the movie, and this is not really noticeable. BUT, if you are sitting down paying attention to this on purpose, or if the movie is boring and you have nothing better to do, then it is really noticeable.

[ClinicaTerra LTD]

Originally Posted by jsteinhauer

How big a deal it is depends on the individual. Additional frames are created, and the 60fps motion is less smooth than 24fps, but this is my opinion: If the movie is really good, or at least really entertaining, you are paying attention to the movie, and this is not really noticeable. BUT, if you are sitting down paying attention to this on purpose, or if the movie is boring and you have nothing better to do, then it is really noticeable.

Thanks Jstein...

Well, I'm one of those people who do evaluate the video presentation moreso than watch the material, so I'm looking for every imperfection...

My issue is this, now: My Sony KDS-50A2020 SXRD rear projection HDTV won't accept 1080p/24 input and my current source, a Panasonic 'BD10A, won't output that frame rate either -- I am looking to get another BD player in the near future, but even if I get one that outputs 1080p/24, my display won't ACCEPT it, and I'm not going to buy a new TV right now after shelling out what I did for the SXRD, so I guess I'm kind of screwed; I just want to be sure this isn't "that big of a deal" and what exactly would be "improved upon" with 1080p/24; I understand the "jerkyness" on fast action can be eliminated, but is the actual presentation that much more mind-blowing at 1080p/24 over 1080p/60?

[bootman]

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[Clark Kent]

A tv that accepts and displays 1080P/24 will show reduced judder(smoother panning and less flicker). I think most casual Blu-ray owners will not notice the difference unless they are watching on a gigantic display or know specifically what to look for.

[ClinicaTerra LTD]

Thank you, Clark.

[Bonifax]

I think the main conclusion here, at least for me, is that there is no WOW! difference between 1080p @24fps vs. 1080p @60fps and I guess all BD players can output either resolution; I mean all BD movies are recorded at 24fps but the players have the 60fps option as default.

[ClinicaTerra LTD]

Thanks again, Fax...that's essentially what I wanted to know, if there's a missing "WOW" factor...