Are you interested in 3D on Blu-ray? - Blu-ray Forum

4K2K · 09-29-2008, 12:27 AM

Are you interested in 3D on Blu-ray?

I should have added an option at the top of just Yes (without the conditions) as one of the first options in the poll as well. In the 3rd option, when I say "should be capable of outputting 2d too", I mean capable of outputting a 3d movie as 2d, as well as 3d (not just outputting existing 2d movies).

Blu-ray Fanatic · 09-29-2008, 12:31 AM

Answer: Yes

Anthony P · 09-29-2008, 12:59 AM

in case anyone has not figured the answer is YES

justinbaily · 09-29-2008, 01:23 AM

Well myself since i can't see 3d i'd say no but even if i copuld what kind of disc space would be used vs standard 2d? As long as it doesn't affect my pq /aq
i wouldn't care...but if it needed it's own disc that might not be so good.

3D works with 2 eyes while i can only use 1 of 2 so i can't see 3D -i know this is the big thing now but wish there were 2d and 3d versions in multiplexs.

Bolt from disney comes to mind as well as toy story 3 and 1 and 2 when re-released next year. 3's supposedlly 2010.

4K2K · 09-29-2008, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by justinbaily

Well myself since i can't see 3d i'd say no but even if i copuld what kind of disc space would be used vs standard 2d? As long as it doesn't affect my pq /aq
i wouldn't care...but if it needed it's own disc that might not be so good.

3D works with 2 eyes while i can only use 1 of 2 so i can't see 3D -i know this is the big thing now but wish there were 2d and 3d versions in multiplexs.

Bolt from disney comes to mind as well as toy story 3 and 1 and 2 when re-released next year. 3's supposedlly 2010.

The "Multi-Viewpoint" 3D option in the poll should work even if people don't have stereo vision I think (I'm not sure though). eg. with multi-viewpoint 3D and a display that can output it (or if there was an eye/head tracking device) you should be able to move your head sideways a bit or up/down and see a slightly different viewpoint (depending on what views were stored on the disc as well as which were computer generated views).

See:
http://wg11.sc29.org/News/w9560.pdf
and http://people.csail.mit.edu/wojciech/3DTV/3DTV.pdf

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what kind of disc space would be used vs standard 2d?

I think it would depend on what format they stored it in, but as far as I know most 3D movies aren't that long, bandwidth would be more of a problem than disc space I think. They might be able to use the fact that both streams (for a left & right eye image or more) would be quite similar to each other for more efficient encoding. They could also make 3D compatible with 100GB discs if possible (but I think 50GB discs should usually be sufficient, and they can always use >1 disc for extra features).

Blu-ray Fanatic · 09-29-2008, 01:40 AM

I wouldn't mind wearing 3D glasses while watching a movie and enjoy a beer or twelve.

JadedRaverLA · 09-29-2008, 03:11 AM

I voted yes for a new profile (a standard needs be developed for this), and for the extra metadata (essentially would be a given anyway with a new profile) , and for an increase in bandwidth. The bandwidth increase would be nice for dual streams, but since it would cost you backwards compatibility, they really shouldn't bother -- and focus on making the second stream more compressible (easy enough to do using the main stream as a baseline).

jamclaur · 09-29-2008, 05:45 AM

not really. I just like movies that don't rely on a gimmick.

henry_the_horse · 09-29-2008, 06:02 AM

Too many voting options.

I am largely in favor for 3D Blu-rays though. I've always been a fan of 3D movies, especially the cliche horror ones. I own a number of bootleg anaglyph DVDs and in a couple of weeks I'm seeing a 3D showing of Friday the 13th Part 3 in a theater.

And for you nah sayers, what's the point? Why wouldn't you want an extra feature? Who doesn't like bringing out a 3D movie every once in awhile for you and your friends to get drunk and have a good laugh to. Wearing glasses is key too, without glasses the entire atmosphere is destroyed.

MOONPHASE · 09-29-2008, 06:48 AM

i rather have the disc space used for better audio and better picture quality

henry_the_horse · 09-29-2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

i rather have the disc space used for better audio and better picture quality

I think a lot of the talk includes how the 3D effects would be rendered through the player, so no extra disc space would be needed. Not sure if someone can cite that for me but I know I've read that in articles touching on Blu-ray utilizing 3D.

swifty7 · 09-29-2008, 10:37 AM

hell yeah!!! I want 3D, I don't mind lcd glasses either as long as it's compatible with my current hdtv and it gives an experience similar to that of an IMAX, obviousley not at that level but something similar to it. I also don't want to be forced to buy another BD player, I hope they can somehow make my ps3 upgrade with a firmware.

intimidator32 · 09-29-2008, 10:42 AM

no never

please people lets dont gimmick blu out of the market before it has a chance to take hold. blu's fine just the way it is

.

Heart_Collector · 09-29-2008, 10:46 AM

Are 3D TV's able to play in both formats? If so (and the member that said PS3 should be able to get a firmware update was right), I'm all for it. Micheal Bay movies would sweeten up a bit more.

Got2LoveGadgets · 09-29-2008, 11:54 AM

Im a massive fan of proper dual projection 3D. Im sure with the new batch of affordable 100Hz 120Hz projectors this should and hopefully will be something we see soon

4K2K · 09-29-2008, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry_the_horse

I think a lot of the talk includes how the 3D effects would be rendered through the player, so no extra disc space would be needed. Not sure if someone can cite that for me but I know I've read that in articles touching on Blu-ray utilizing 3D.

I think for good quality 3D (where each eye would receive a picture as good as existing 2D Blu-ray discs), it would take extra bandwidth & disc space per hour of content. Though if done efficiently it shouldn't take too much extra bandwidth/space. ie. stereoscopic shouldn't take double the space if they used the similarities between the left image when generating the right.

I think you might be talking players generating 3d effects from existing 2d movie discs. I think there was talk of that but the quality and accuracy of the 3d effect won't be as good as a 3d standard with the 3d (eg. stereoscopic) picture streams stored on the disc.

big-bleu · 09-29-2008, 05:58 PM

3d glasses are a pain

i'm looking forward to when tvs have http://www.wowvx.com/video.html wow factor
autostereoscopic (glasses-free) displays.

http://www.tridelity.net/fileadmin/u...er/Leaflet.pdf

http://www.gearlog.com/2008/10/72inc..._jvc_could.php

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/10/02...-in-hollywood/

swifty7 · 09-30-2008, 08:17 AM

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

I wonder how much for the 42" version?

probably a small fortune!

welwynnick · 09-30-2008, 09:27 AM

I think this would be fantastic, and it's not too different from current players and displays that it couldnt' be backwards compatible.

Maybe this is an opportunity to get deep colour and XV colour in as well!

Nick

Thatcher · 09-30-2008, 04:42 PM

I would love to see Nightmare before Christmas 3D

I don't mind the glasses as long as there not those cheep paper ones.

If they were to do so Nightmare would be my first triple dip.

View Poll Results: Are you interested in 3D on Blu-ray?
Yes, but the players should be compatible with existing TVs	20	35.71%
Yes, but only if we didn't have to wear 3d glasses	9	16.07%
Yes, but the players should be capable of outputing 2D too	21	37.50%
Yes, the players must be capable of outputting red+blue analglyph too	6	10.71%
Yes, we should have multi-viewpoint 3D on Blu-ray too (>2 picture streams)	9	16.07%
Yes, we should create a new Profile for 3D	15	26.79%
Yes, the new profile should allow an increase in bandwidth	11	19.64%
Yes, the new profile should allow more frame rate options	7	12.50%
Yes, the new profile should allow more resolution options	8	14.29%
Yes, the new profile should allow more colour depth	9	16.07%
Yes, the new profile should allow extra metadata for 3D	8	14.29%
Yes, but all discs with 3d should work on existing Profile 1.1 & 2.0 players	20	35.71%
No, not interested at all	14	25.00%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 56. You may not vote on this poll

09-29-2008, 12:27 AM	#1
4K2K Special Member Top contributor Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Region B	Are you interested in 3D on Blu-ray? Are you interested in 3D on Blu-ray? I should have added an option at the top of just Yes (without the conditions) as one of the first options in the poll as well. In the 3rd option, when I say "should be capable of outputting 2d too", I mean capable of outputting a 3d movie as 2d, as well as 3d (not just outputting existing 2d movies). Last edited by 4K2K; 09-29-2008 at 12:46 PM.

09-29-2008, 06:02 AM	#9
henry_the_horse Member Member since:Aug 2008	Too many voting options. I am largely in favor for 3D Blu-rays though. I've always been a fan of 3D movies, especially the cliche horror ones. I own a number of bootleg anaglyph DVDs and in a couple of weeks I'm seeing a 3D showing of Friday the 13th Part 3 in a theater. And for you nah sayers, what's the point? Why wouldn't you want an extra feature? Who doesn't like bringing out a 3D movie every once in awhile for you and your friends to get drunk and have a good laugh to. Wearing glasses is key too, without glasses the entire atmosphere is destroyed. Last edited by henry_the_horse; 09-29-2008 at 06:06 AM.

09-29-2008, 05:58 PM	#17
big-bleu Banned Member since:Sep 2008	3d 3d glasses are a pain i'm looking forward to when tvs have http://www.wowvx.com/video.html wow factor autostereoscopic (glasses-free) displays. http://www.tridelity.net/fileadmin/u...er/Leaflet.pdf http://www.gearlog.com/2008/10/72inc..._jvc_could.php http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/10/02...-in-hollywood/ Last edited by big-bleu; 10-23-2008 at 07:26 PM.

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09-29-2008, 12:31 AM	#2
Blu-ray Fanatic Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Location:San Antonio Blu-ray reviews:1	Answer: Yes

09-29-2008, 12:59 AM	#3
Anthony P Blu-ray Count Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Montreal, Canada	in case anyone has not figured the answer is YES

09-29-2008, 01:23 AM	#4
justinbaily Active Member Member since:Mar 2007	Well myself since i can't see 3d i'd say no but even if i copuld what kind of disc space would be used vs standard 2d? As long as it doesn't affect my pq /aq i wouldn't care...but if it needed it's own disc that might not be so good. 3D works with 2 eyes while i can only use 1 of 2 so i can't see 3D -i know this is the big thing now but wish there were 2d and 3d versions in multiplexs. Bolt from disney comes to mind as well as toy story 3 and 1 and 2 when re-released next year. 3's supposedlly 2010.

09-29-2008, 01:40 AM	#6
Blu-ray Fanatic Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Location:San Antonio Blu-ray reviews:1	I wouldn't mind wearing 3D glasses while watching a movie and enjoy a beer or twelve.

09-29-2008, 03:11 AM	#7
JadedRaverLA Power Member Member since:Apr 2007 Blu-ray reviews:2	I voted yes for a new profile (a standard needs be developed for this), and for the extra metadata (essentially would be a given anyway with a new profile) , and for an increase in bandwidth. The bandwidth increase would be nice for dual streams, but since it would cost you backwards compatibility, they really shouldn't bother -- and focus on making the second stream more compressible (easy enough to do using the main stream as a baseline).

09-29-2008, 05:45 AM	#8
jamclaur Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:75 Blu-ray collection:849 Trading Score:34	not really. I just like movies that don't rely on a gimmick.

09-29-2008, 06:48 AM	#10
MOONPHASE Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jun 2007 Location:California 4K collection:8 Blu-ray collection:520 DVD collection:820 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:29	i rather have the disc space used for better audio and better picture quality

09-29-2008, 10:37 AM	#12
swifty7 Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Trading Score:3	hell yeah!!! I want 3D, I don't mind lcd glasses either as long as it's compatible with my current hdtv and it gives an experience similar to that of an IMAX, obviousley not at that level but something similar to it. I also don't want to be forced to buy another BD player, I hope they can somehow make my ps3 upgrade with a firmware.

09-29-2008, 10:42 AM	#13
intimidator32 Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:lexington, ky Home Theater Gallery:17 Blu-ray collection:90	no never please people lets dont gimmick blu out of the market before it has a chance to take hold. blu's fine just the way it is .

09-29-2008, 10:46 AM	#14
Heart_Collector Senior Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Texas	Are 3D TV's able to play in both formats? If so (and the member that said PS3 should be able to get a firmware update was right), I'm all for it. Micheal Bay movies would sweeten up a bit more.

09-29-2008, 11:54 AM	#15
Got2LoveGadgets Active Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:UK Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray collection:100 Blu-ray reviews:4	Im a massive fan of proper dual projection 3D. Im sure with the new batch of affordable 100Hz 120Hz projectors this should and hopefully will be something we see soon

09-30-2008, 08:17 AM	#18
swifty7 Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Trading Score:3	/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ I wonder how much for the 42" version? probably a small fortune!

09-30-2008, 09:27 AM	#19
welwynnick Senior Member Member since:Sep 2007	I think this would be fantastic, and it's not too different from current players and displays that it couldnt' be backwards compatible. Maybe this is an opportunity to get deep colour and XV colour in as well! Nick

09-30-2008, 04:42 PM	#20
Thatcher Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Some Where? Blu-ray collection:1259 Digital collection:149 Blu-ray reviews:13 Trading Score:826	I would love to see Nightmare before Christmas 3D I don't mind the glasses as long as there not those cheep paper ones. If they were to do so Nightmare would be my first triple dip.

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