New SD DVD player with true 1080P?

[TheZoof]

I was looking on the internet and found this new upconversion technolgy being looked at. It the one screenshot available it looks impressive.

What do you guys think?

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/15531.cfm

[Sonny]

IMHO,just more of the same 'bull'...

[StretchMaK]

it dose look good from that screen cap.

[jdc115]

Originally Posted by TheZoof

I was looking on the internet and found this new upconversion technolgy being looked at. It the one screenshot available it looks impressive.

What do you guys think?

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/15531.cfm

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The audio sucks...

But seriously, looking at a still frame is not a good judgment of the technology, you need to watch the moving picture between true 1080p format and something upconverted

[TheZoof]

There is no argument saying Blu Ray is better but what is intersting to me is that my old SD collection might actually look as good as some of the Blu Rays I own.

If they convert completely to 1920x1080 for each frame then that has to look very good.

I can't wait to see this technology with my own eyes.

[Elandyll]

It's not a SD DVD player, it's a SRT technology that will be in Hitachi TVs, that will improve both the SD signals -and- the HD signals.

Hence Blu Ray (not that it would need it, maybe on a few shady transfers) would also benefit.

[plowmanjoe]

it may be a step backward for you and others who already have blu-ray players and tons of blu-ray movies. but for those who still view dvd's only, this is a step forward. a lot of people have huge dvd collections they're not ready to get rid of and pay a fortune to replace with blu-ray versions. especially since not all blu-rays are even that much better than dvds including audio (warner). now factor in this upscaling technology and the difference isn't worth replacing your current dvd collection.

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

It's not a SD DVD player, it's a SRT technology that will be in Hitachi TVs, that will improve both the SD signals -and- the HD signals.

Hence Blu Ray (not that it would need it, maybe on a few shady transfers) would also benefit.

Or it could make it worse. Those old shady BD transfers probably suffer from too much DNR. If it can correct the DNR, then perhaps it would benefit.

[GGX]

Originally Posted by TheZoof

There is no argument saying Blu Ray is better but what is intersting to me is that my old SD collection might actually look as good as some of the Blu Rays I own.

If they convert completely to 1920x1080 for each frame then that has to look very good.

I can't wait to see this technology with my own eyes.

Upconversion cannot add any detail beyond what is present at the source. In this case, 480i.

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

Or it could make it worse. Those old shady BD transfers probably suffer from too much DNR. If it can correct the DNR, then perhaps it would benefit.

Uh ya your talking magic now. The DNR was added to the transfer itself on Blu's like Patton.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by plowmanjoe

it may be a step backward for you and others who already have blu-ray players and tons of blu-ray movies. but for those who still view dvd's only, this is a step forward. a lot of people have huge dvd collections they're not ready to get rid of and pay a fortune to replace with blu-ray versions. especially since not all blu-rays are even that much better than dvds including audio (warner). now factor in this upscaling technology and the difference isn't worth replacing your current dvd collection.

"especially since not all blu-rays are even that much better than dvds including audio (warner). now factor in this upscaling technology and the difference isn't worth replacing your current dvd collection."


Well hot damn , im buyin DVD's from now on!!!

[Yeha-Noha]

I wonder if the mods are going to move this thread to the HDTV discussion. It would seem to be more on topic there. I think some folks over in that discussion might be interested in this new upscaling chipset that will probably be incorporated into new HDTVs that hit the market in 2010.

[jomari]

from what ive gathered, its still using a standard definition resolution of 480, and upconverting it to a 1080p signal.

you cannot create a 1080p signal and still get a great picture comparative to a true 1080p source. its physically not possible.

just a clarification btw,

UPSCALING is taking a signal (ie. 480p) into a higher resolution (720p or 1080p for example)

UPCONVERSION is converting a signal from one source into another format. (composite to component, component to hdmi for example.)

[TheZoof]

There is no arguing that a true 1080p source will be better.

I also apologize that for some reason I didn't realize it was the TV doing the work, I thought it was from a dvd source.

The way I look at this however is like changing the resolution on your monitor. Playing the original halflife at 640x480 was great but playing it at 1920x1200 is a lot better. There is no more detail in the image but the pixels that it is presented are a lot more and therefore the image is clearer.

Not apples to apples of course but I admit it has me intrigued.

[ryoohki]

Whooo WHoo.. more EE.... on a tiny screen!

[Blaumann]

Indeed, you can make out the EE and the edginess from the .jpg's in the link already. They are just hyping upconverting and post-processing in TV's now more than ever, but they haven't brought fourth any truely revolutionary approach to upconverting so far.

I don't even think these dubbed "SuperResolution" techs actually use Super Resolution (as in using temporal resolution to increase details). Tosh was hyped by a select few for coming up with it, but they only managed to bring us EE and color/contrast boosting.

The stuff is bordering snake oil, but some are in fact preferring their SD with even more edges and stronger halos..... lol

[Bullseye]

Most BD players will upgrade your DVD collection anyway. So there will be no need to upgrade your entire DVD collection but I would upgrade your favourite films to Blu Ray.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by TheZoof

The way I look at this however is like changing the resolution on your monitor. Playing the original halflife at 640x480 was great but playing it at 1920x1200 is a lot better. There is no more detail in the image but the pixels that it is presented are a lot more and therefore the image is clearer.

Not apples to apples of course but I admit it has me intrigued.

I may be wrong, but I do not believe that analogy applies. Aren't games (like HL) rendered in resolutions up to AAAA x BBBB? If so, then you are taking advantage of the source resolution by playing it up to 1920x1200 (sort of like playing a BD on a SD set vs. ED set vs. 768p set vs. 1080p set). Now, if the game was only rendered at 640x480, then playing at a higher resolution would be the same as upscaling a 480i source (DVD) to 1080p. Please correct me if I've got this incorrect.

Bottom line: You can play all of the upscaling games you want, but the DVD source will still only be 480i, and you are not able to "add" any more detail than what is currently there to begin with.