Blu-ray audio vs. SACD

[DiverSpear]

If it has been discussed already just post the link and I will research. I couldn't any any reference.

I would like to know which is better? I have 2 audio Blu's and have never heard a SACD. Would it be worth it to buy a SACD player or just stick with Blu? Between the wife and I, we like all types of music except rap/hip-hop.

Was thinking about this player. Sony

[cbt]

I'm in no position to compare the sound quality of the two formats. From what I have heard of Blu Ray audio it is comparable. But SACD multichannel has been in existance for at least 8 years, as has DVD-Audio, and both are superb. The advantage of SACD is the quantity of music releases available, I think another thread in this forum states over 5,000 albums. SA-CD.net has a fairly complete list; reviews, links to buy, etc etc and is an invaluable resource. I would go over that, were I you, and then make a decision.

[Sir Terrence]

I think it depends on which perspective you look at this from. When it comes to specs, the bluray format is technically superior. Short explaination. The SACD format has a dynamic range of 120db from 20hz-20khz over 6 channels. That is 20bit performance. It has a frequency response of up to 100khz which implies a sample rate of 50khz, but most players limit the upper frequency response to 80-90khz. This would be based on the performance values of PCM audio.

The Bluray format is capable of full 24bit 192khz performance over 8 channels. From my perspective the life of SACD is essentially over. The bluray format has everything DVD-A and SACD has and more, so there is no need to look backwards for something that can be offered right now, and looking forwards. There are already more bluray players in the market than there are SACD players, so producers will go where the largest installed base of hardward is if it is feasible to them financially.

I would bank on the bluray format myself. That is just my lousy opinion.!

[BACsader]

Trust us, your opinion is not lousy by any means.

But, do you think they will strictly release concert blu-rays or would they ever release studio recorded blu-rays? I like the concert ones, but I would love to see studio recorded ones.

[Johnny Vinyl]

And until such time as BD Audio can offer the selection available on SACD, that format is still a very viable option.

However, I don't doubt the technical advantages that BD Audio has over SACD and DVD-A.

[Clark Kent]

SACD has a very devoted small fanbase keeping it alive. There are several thousand worthwhile releases already and a few new SACDs keep coming out in Europe and Japan (for example some Black Sabbath and Emerson, Lake, & Palmer is coming to SACD). It is essential if one is a fan of audiophile level jazz and classical music. But I do agree that the future of multi-channel high resolution music is on Blu-ray. The labels want to sell their discs on a format that everyone can play and they hope that Blu-ray delivers.

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by DiverSpear

If it has been discussed already just post the link and I will research. I couldn't any any reference.

I would like to know which is better? I have 2 audio Blu's and have never heard a SACD. Would it be worth it to buy a SACD player or just stick with Blu? Between the wife and I, we like all types of music except rap/hip-hop.

Here is a spectral comparison between music content on cd, Dvd-audio, and SACD:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/christie/comparo/index.html

http://users.bigpond.net.au/christie/comparo/part2.html

http://users.bigpond.net.au/christie/comparo/part3.html

[Gremal]

There is only one title in which to make an honest evaluation: that is the Divertimenti. I encourage those of you interested to buy it and judge for yourself. Or you can read the review.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movie...97&show=review

[sheedoe]

Ok stupid question...My speakers has Frequency Response of 45Hz-20kHz, so would it be able to reproduce sound of 192khz sampling rate?

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by sheedoe

Ok stupid question...My speakers has Frequency Response of 45Hz-20kHz, so would it be able to reproduce sound of 192khz sampling rate?

Not a stupid one by any means, but a very loaded one.

To answer this simply....yes! But to what degree is the question and that depends on the componants (and quality thereof, sometimes) in your system.

I suppose the only thing I could say is not to be deterred by the "specs" of any componant you have. If you like the music chances are you will get much enjoyment out of it, regardless of what your gear you have.

Specs are specs and they are a guide only.

[bw1605]

so where do i find a list of BD audio titles already avalible. I loved the DVD-Audio but never bought a sacd. i am very interested in this as i do love multi-channel audio

[BACsader]

You can browse the music section of BDs that are out now on this website.

[Sir Terrence]

Originally Posted by John72953

Not a stupid one by any means, but a very loaded one.

To answer this simply....yes! But to what degree is the question and that depends on the componants (and quality thereof, sometimes) in your system.

I suppose the only thing I could say is not to be deterred by the "specs" of any componant you have. If you like the music chances are you will get much enjoyment out of it, regardless of what your gear you have.

Specs are specs and they are a guide only.

Actually this is not all correct. If his speakers have a roll off above 20khz as the spec's suggest, he would not hear several octaves of audio(albeit probably noise and air). His speakers would have to have a response of 96khz to cover the frequency response of 192khz audio. (even though most would actually hear nothing over 15khz in real life). My left/right front speakers anechoic response is 25-40khz, and it would be an octave shy as well. I know of no speaker(with the exception of an add on supertweeter) than can reproduce the entire frequency response of either 176.4khz(CD upsample rate) or 192khz audio.

[onumb]

Originally Posted by Sir Terrence

Actually this is not all correct. If his speakers have a roll off above 20khz as the spec's suggest, he would not hear several octaves of audio(albeit probably noise and air). His speakers would have to have a response of 96khz to cover the frequency response of 192khz audio. (even though most would actually hear nothing over 15khz in real life). My left/right front speakers anechoic response is 25-40khz, and it would be an octave shy as well. I know of no speaker(with the exception of an add on supertweeter) than can reproduce the entire frequency response of either 176.4khz(CD upsample rate) or 192khz audio.

Ummm.... I think you guys are comparing apples and oranges here. 192kHz sampling rate has nothing to do with the frequency response of the system. All the sampling rate is is a requirement related to the highest frequency you can reproduce digitally, which in this case would be 96kHz. The human ear cannot hear 96kHz anyway with it topping off usually at 15kHz and some people can hear up to about 20kHz. All the 192kHz sampling rate means is that it was recorded at high enough quality to replicate a 96kHz signal, which has nothing to do with the fact that your speakers can play sounds up to 20kHz. In other words, neither of those specs are hindering your listening experience.

[nmharleyrider]

Personally the only player I use is the OPPO blu-ray player; It plays all the cd formats, all the DVD formats and with audiophile sound. No other player compares in quality although it's a bit pricey. Microcode is online-downloadable for updates; it has access to many of today's streaming services and I have to say the combination of top quality video and audio makes it the supreme player around today. Read the reviews of it and you'll see why.
As far as the blu-ray is concerned, of course, it holds so much data if the recording company decides to use it which most don't and the sound is better from an audiophile POV than the newer SACDs although I don't think much is available yet. I have purchased a numver of SACDs and I can vouch for the fact that even on the old RCA Reiner/Chicago recordings, the sound is audibly better.
http://www.cnet.com/news/oppo-bdp-10...lu-ray-player/

[neilwilkes]

Originally Posted by DiverSpear

If it has been discussed already just post the link and I will research. I couldn't any any reference.

I would like to know which is better? I have 2 audio Blu's and have never heard a SACD. Would it be worth it to buy a SACD player or just stick with Blu? Between the wife and I, we like all types of music except rap/hip-hop.

Was thinking about this player. Sony

If in any doubt at all, get a proper Universal player that can handle everything such as the superb Oppo BDP-105/103.
For me (and speaking as a music fan this time) SACD is way below Blu-ray in terms of audio quality simply because it does not use the ghastly noise shaping that is required to make DSD a listenable (ish) format. DSD is a 1-bit system, and the noise is severe - indeed there is no content except noise above 23kHz so all the marketing claims of the "PCM equivalent of 384kHz sample rate" is nonsensical.

Incidentally, the only differences in audio quality between DVDA & Blu-ray is that Blu-ray allows 7.1 at 24/96 and 5.1 at 24/192. It is far superior graphically to DVDA and much better in terms of content - you can do an entire box set of CD's on a single Blu-ray disc. SACD in comparison allows you a playing time of 74 minutes tops.

The reason I recommend the universal player is because it really doesn't matter what personal format preferences are as there seems to be the usual problems of label politics at play, as some are releasing on SACD, others Blu-ray & others on DVD-A/V hybrids - so you really need to be able to play all.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by DiverSpear

If it has been discussed already just post the link and I will research. I couldn't any any reference.

I would like to know which is better? I have 2 audio Blu's and have never heard a SACD. Would it be worth it to buy a SACD player or just stick with Blu? Between the wife and I, we like all types of music except rap/hip-hop.

Was thinking about this player. Sony

While there's nothing wrong with buying a player that also supports SACD like the OPPO mentioned in the above post or a Sony (since they developed the SACD format), be aware that virtually no one is releasing new SACDs in the U.S. Sony Records gave up on the format years ago as it was unsuccessful in the consumer marketplace. In fact, Sony had some hybrid SACD releases (some of the Bob Dylan early electric recordings, for example) that they've since replaced with standard CD releases. The Rolling Stones also released some SACDs, but they're also no longer in the catalog. SACD is still a factor in Japan and SACD fans buy a lot of the releases from Japanese e-commerce vendors or importers.

IMO, Blu-ray audio sounds better than SACD, but the number of releases are also limited. And some sound great and some don't. I was actually a bit disappointed by the Blu release of Van Morrison's "Moondance".

[Opips3]

Sony have done to quit the product SACD. Now continue a bluray audio and UHD audio.

Why are you so serious buy SACD?

I like PCM is very good sound for me. DSD is high echo sound....problem too loud...

I plan to buy digital coaxial orange cable audio for only LPCM. I looking a digital optional/ DAC for preamplifier.

[strom]

Ain't stuck on a format just looking for a good release. So i've got The Dark Side of the Moon on SACD and Endless River on Blu-ray.
Also i've got some Porcupine Tree albums on DVD-Audio. That albums never been released on Blu-ray or SACD (and probably will not).

[Opips3]

Originally Posted by strom

Ain't stuck on a format just looking for a good release. So i've got The Dark Side of the Moon on SACD and Endless River on Blu-ray.
Also i've got some Porcupine Tree albums on DVD-Audio. That albums never been released on Blu-ray or SACD (and probably will not).

I have the dark side of the moon on sacd. this good music. Most bluray pure audio I listen nice music. I interested SACD. DSD converter to PCM unique sound music. So I use logic 7 music chip from harmar kardon by made professional music.

Soon arrived my copy John Coltrane: Blue Train on bluray-audio. I prefer 192/24bits audio.