Blu-ray's Biggest Battle this Holiday: Journalism - Blu-ray Forum

FinalEvangelion · 11-16-2008, 03:28 PM

Neither the economy or digital downloads are the biggest barrier to Blu-ray success. For all that know the facts, digital downloads is something easier said than done at this point in time. I'm not against digital distribution, but for the next several years it will work better as a rental service than a purchase service. Even with DVRs and VOD services, video rentals are still very strong. As for the economic issues going on, Home Entertainment tends to survive the best as it provides a good time/value for people.

So who supports the success of Blu-ray right now? Well, the Hollywood studios, big retailers, most of the tech industry, and well all the people that matter. Just recently, at DEG (Digital Entertainment Group), the studios seemed optimistic about the format.

Which leads me to the next thing. After the report about studios' optimism, we had the journalists come and not even do any clever spinning - but outright lie about what was said. Right now, the journalists have their last chance to steer people away before the big holiday push of BD and big titles like Dark Knight. They know that anti-PS3 fanboys are their best channel of information delivery and will try to spread the news really fast.

Despite this, BD definitely has enough energy to pull through. The vendors and marketers really need to make it clear to the consumers that their DVD collections can be played on all BD players. It always works with my skeptical friends. Once they know that fact, then the convincing can commence. While many argue the perception of quality difference is less of a jump from VHS to DVD, there is still a noticeable difference to even most J6P type of people with the upgrade from DVD to BD. BD is hitting human sensory limits, as probably from now on, new formats will be introduced for convenience rather than for an upgrade in quality. The diminishing returns factor will come into play big time with upgrades in quality beyond Blu-ray.

It would be nice if we saw articles like "BD owning consumers are very satisfied with the upgrade in PQ and AQ that is offered. Now is the time to buy." However, that's not the case as journalists are squarely against the success of the format.

BACsader · 11-16-2008, 04:12 PM

This is absolutely true. You could not have stated it any better. Anyone here a journalist that wants to do an article about how Blu-ray consumers are satisfied?

ryoohki · 11-16-2008, 04:25 PM

Well difference in quality between DVD and VHS is only a Connection and Screen Size difference. VHS was made in the time that 21' TV where BIG and THE SHIAT!. Once True Flat Screen 27,32 inch Svideo tv started to come out in 1990's, VHS started looking like crap all the sudden. Then came DVD, first buyer were people with larger display...

To me DVD vs Blu-ray is the same as VHS vs DVD, but it's all about screen size and connection all over again. I updraged to a Projector 3 years ago an d while DVD was OK on it, it's pure crap most of the time compared to Blu-ray because i blow it a 100 inch. I mean i own the serie FireFly on DVD that i paid 25$ for it... watched the pilot and it was so goddawm ulgy that i never cared to continue watching it. I bought the Bluray witch sells 3x more than the DVD but it look much much better now! i actually watched the first disc... LOL!

from 1997 to 2002 i owned a 27 in tv, DVD was good on it. I then bought a 51 inch 1080i HDTV (retro projection) from 2002 to 2005, DVD was 'Okay' at best. Those TV had horrible focus compared to LCD so the negative effect of DVD (Compression artefact) had less of an impact. When i bought my Panasonic AE500 (projector) it took a major hit because it was bigger. I then proceded to sell my DVD collection little by little, keeping only the Shows and other rare title while i was waiting for HD Media to be born. Now i'am perfectly happy. I get HD Audio on all my Release (or mostly), even DVD AUdio quality on 5.1 Shows (more and more are 96/24 5.1) with HD picture. I mean i'am in heaven right now !

CrabbyAzz · 11-16-2008, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalEvangelion

Neither the economy or digital downloads are the biggest barrier to Blu-ray success. For all that know the facts, digital downloads is something easier said than done at this point in time. I'm not against digital distribution, but for the next several years it will work better as a rental service than a purchase service. Even with DVRs and VOD services, video rentals are still very strong. As for the economic issues going on, Home Entertainment tends to survive the best as it provides a good time/value for people.

So who supports the success of Blu-ray right now? Well, the Hollywood studios, big retailers, most of the tech industry, and well all the people that matter. Just recently, at DEG (Digital Entertainment Group), the studios seemed optimistic about the format.

Which leads me to the next thing. After the report about studios' optimism, we had the journalists come and not even do any clever spinning - but outright lie about what was said. Right now, the journalists have their last chance to steer people away before the big holiday push of BD and big titles like Dark Knight. They know that anti-PS3 fanboys are their best channel of information delivery and will try to spread the news really fast.

Despite this, BD definitely has enough energy to pull through. The vendors and marketers really need to make it clear to the consumers that their DVD collections can be played on all BD players. It always works with my skeptical friends. Once they know that fact, then the convincing can commence. While many argue the perception of quality difference is less of a jump from VHS to DVD, there is still a noticeable difference to even most J6P type of people with the upgrade from DVD to BD. BD is hitting human sensory limits, as probably from now on, new formats will be introduced for convenience rather than for an upgrade in quality. The diminishing returns factor will come into play big time with upgrades in quality beyond Blu-ray.

It would be nice if we saw articles like "BD owning consumers are very satisfied with the upgrade in PQ and AQ that is offered. Now is the time to buy." However, that's not the case as journalists are squarely against the success of the format.

Umm.. I think your just being paranoid. There is no concerted effort by the media to wrong Blu-Ray. The few journalist publishing stupidly wrong stories are just doing it out of ignorance. You see, there are no standards for being a technology reviewer/pundit anymore. Any idiot with a computer can get any crap published anymore.

owa · 11-16-2008, 10:13 PM

Yeah, I don't get what is up with some of the so called journalist. Some of the articles are so ridiculous it's unbelievable. I guess they're just trying to draw attention but personally, I believe there's more to it than that.

fighthefutureofhd · 11-17-2008, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrabbyAzz

Umm.. I think your just being paranoid. There is no concerted effort by the media to wrong Blu-Ray. The few journalist publishing stupidly wrong stories are just doing it out of ignorance. You see, there are no standards for being a technology reviewer/pundit anymore. Any idiot with a computer can get any crap published anymore.

yes! let's not go all x-files here. there is no big conspiracy against blu-ray by the media. just ignorance involved.

Midnightsailor · 11-17-2008, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

yes! let's not go all x-files here. there is no big conspiracy against blu-ray by the media. just ignorance involved.

Even worse than ignorant people are the ones who are uninformed and care not to be informed. They aren't worse because they're uninformed, but because they continue to spread false information to a crop of other people. It's sad, really.

Barnum · 11-17-2008, 12:49 AM

You hit it right the media is the biggest problem. The media these days seems to have their own agenda. I thought they were supposed to tell the news now they only seem to want to make the news by making up crap then after the damage is done say opps made a mistake there. Truth in journalism seems to have taken a back seat. And they don't understand why publication sales are down deeply. Not to hard to figure that out.

TheBluPacifist · 11-17-2008, 12:52 AM

Why was my post deleted?

For simply posting an article about Bluray that points out a differing opinion?

quexos · 11-17-2008, 04:35 AM

Well let us wait and see in January when figures for the Holiday season are available. By then we can draw conclusions as to the future of the format.

FinalEvangelion · 11-17-2008, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrabbyAzz

Umm.. I think your just being paranoid. There is no concerted effort by the media to wrong Blu-Ray. The few journalist publishing stupidly wrong stories are just doing it out of ignorance. You see, there are no standards for being a technology reviewer/pundit anymore. Any idiot with a computer can get any crap published anymore.

No, I don't think there is an organized effort. It's what midnight sailor said. The fact that many people take this ignorant journalism as more fact than the facts themselves. It would be one thing if BD was selling at 1% or less, like LD. However, it's maddening to see people believe in the FUD more than the facts.

I think next year after this next holiday season, we will start seeing consistently 10% or more in weekly figures. We really won't know until 2010 to 2011 where BD will stand in having mainstream success. As some have said, it's Fall 1999 if compared to DVD - and that's with having another format directly competing for half of the time.

owa · 11-17-2008, 05:17 PM

Look, another one but thankfully the digitalbits.com and a few others out there are around to help fight the FUD.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=71366

Anthony P · 11-17-2008, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Umm.. I think your just being paranoid. There is no concerted effort by the media to wrong Blu-Ray. The few journalist publishing stupidly wrong stories are just doing it out of ignorance. You see, there are no standards for being a technology reviewer/pundit anymore. Any idiot with a computer can get any crap published anymore.

1) so can you prove there isn't one? always ready to attack anyone that does not like BS and willing to defend and add anti-BD BS

2) can you show us where he said concerted effort? funny how you like to use straw man arguments

3) you might choose to believe they are all honest mistakes by idiots that can't do their job properly, but funny how most times there is an easy money trail to follow.

fighthefutureofhd · 11-18-2008, 04:27 AM

let's not get all paranoid here. no one is out to get blu-ray. a lot of these people simply are idiots. real journalism is dead.

SkillzthatKillz · 11-18-2008, 04:47 AM

i wouldnt be suprised if these are the same guys who predicted that HD-DVD would win the format war and the same guys who called DVD "Doubtful Very Doubtful"

mr.hidef · 11-18-2008, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BACsader

This is absolutely true. You could not have stated it any better. Anyone here a journalist that wants to do an article about how Blu-ray consumers are satisfied?

Hey............over here............I'm satisfied !!!

CrabbyAzz · 11-18-2008, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony P

1) so can you prove there isn't one? always ready to attack anyone that does not like BS and willing to defend and add anti-BD BS

2) can you show us where he said concerted effort? funny how you like to use straw man arguments

3) you might choose to believe they are all honest mistakes by idiots that can't do their job properly, but funny how most times there is an easy money trail to follow.

Oh Anthony, you sound dilusional. But, I'm not going to respond to your post any further, since I know your trying your best to goat me into an argument resulting in me being kicked.

Septimus Prime · 11-18-2008, 05:42 PM

I think BD's biggest opponent is upscaling technology, and I think Toshiba is actually making the right move by marketing that garbage. J6P won't know there's a difference, and he probably also doesn't know that BD players are also upscaling DVD players. He needs to be informed, and I hope some commercials at least mention it.

That's basically the one difference in this generation, since DVD players couldn't play VHS tapes. It's just ironic that one of BD's biggest advantages this generation is being spun into being a disadvantage.

Midnightsailor · 11-18-2008, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Septimus Prime

I think BD's biggest opponent is upscaling technology, and I think Toshiba is actually making the right move by marketing that garbage. J6P won't know there's a difference, and he probably also doesn't know that BD players are also upscaling DVD players. He needs to be informed, and I hope some commercials at least mention it.

That's basically the one difference in this generation, since DVD players couldn't play VHS tapes. It's just ironic that one of BD's biggest advantages this generation is being spun into being a disadvantage.

I agree. I meet someone every week who doesn't know Blu-ray players could also play their dvds. These are simple points that need to be made to the average consumers. Yet, I never see much on it.

Gremal · 11-18-2008, 07:13 PM

You've hit upon a good point, but I think even journalists are starting to figure it out. I was watching a local news show when their movie reviewer came on. She interviewed a local DVD retailer and at every opportunity seemed to say, "...and you don't need Blu-ray, do you?" The retailer who specialized in used DVDs would lob those softballs out of the park. Viewers who didn't know better probably thought Blu-ray was a scam after that.

I was seriously considering writing to the network and telling them their movie reviewer was doing a disservice to the viewers by cozying up to a local retailer, when the next segment came on. The consumer reviewer was standing in an electronics store and said, "don't let anyone tell you that you don't need Blu-ray". He proceeded to talk about the latest CE advances and extolled the virtues of BD players for anyone with an HDTV.

Blu-ray certainly has an uphill battle ahead of it, but the more astute journalists (there aren't many) are getting the message and passing it down to their dimmer colleagues.

11-16-2008, 03:28 PM	#1
FinalEvangelion Senior Member Member since:Nov 2008	Blu-ray's Biggest Battle this Holiday: Journalism Neither the economy or digital downloads are the biggest barrier to Blu-ray success. For all that know the facts, digital downloads is something easier said than done at this point in time. I'm not against digital distribution, but for the next several years it will work better as a rental service than a purchase service. Even with DVRs and VOD services, video rentals are still very strong. As for the economic issues going on, Home Entertainment tends to survive the best as it provides a good time/value for people. So who supports the success of Blu-ray right now? Well, the Hollywood studios, big retailers, most of the tech industry, and well all the people that matter. Just recently, at DEG (Digital Entertainment Group), the studios seemed optimistic about the format. Which leads me to the next thing. After the report about studios' optimism, we had the journalists come and not even do any clever spinning - but outright lie about what was said. Right now, the journalists have their last chance to steer people away before the big holiday push of BD and big titles like Dark Knight. They know that anti-PS3 fanboys are their best channel of information delivery and will try to spread the news really fast. Despite this, BD definitely has enough energy to pull through. The vendors and marketers really need to make it clear to the consumers that their DVD collections can be played on all BD players. It always works with my skeptical friends. Once they know that fact, then the convincing can commence. While many argue the perception of quality difference is less of a jump from VHS to DVD, there is still a noticeable difference to even most J6P type of people with the upgrade from DVD to BD. BD is hitting human sensory limits, as probably from now on, new formats will be introduced for convenience rather than for an upgrade in quality. The diminishing returns factor will come into play big time with upgrades in quality beyond Blu-ray. It would be nice if we saw articles like "BD owning consumers are very satisfied with the upgrade in PQ and AQ that is offered. Now is the time to buy." However, that's not the case as journalists are squarely against the success of the format.

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11-16-2008, 04:12 PM	#2
BACsader Expert Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Cooper City FL Home Theater Gallery:29 Blu-ray collection:72 Blu-ray reviews:9 Trading Score:1	This is absolutely true. You could not have stated it any better. Anyone here a journalist that wants to do an article about how Blu-ray consumers are satisfied?

11-16-2008, 04:25 PM	#3
ryoohki Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Home Theater Gallery:6 Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:5	Well difference in quality between DVD and VHS is only a Connection and Screen Size difference. VHS was made in the time that 21' TV where BIG and THE SHIAT!. Once True Flat Screen 27,32 inch Svideo tv started to come out in 1990's, VHS started looking like crap all the sudden. Then came DVD, first buyer were people with larger display... To me DVD vs Blu-ray is the same as VHS vs DVD, but it's all about screen size and connection all over again. I updraged to a Projector 3 years ago an d while DVD was OK on it, it's pure crap most of the time compared to Blu-ray because i blow it a 100 inch. I mean i own the serie FireFly on DVD that i paid 25$ for it... watched the pilot and it was so goddawm ulgy that i never cared to continue watching it. I bought the Bluray witch sells 3x more than the DVD but it look much much better now! i actually watched the first disc... LOL! from 1997 to 2002 i owned a 27 in tv, DVD was good on it. I then bought a 51 inch 1080i HDTV (retro projection) from 2002 to 2005, DVD was 'Okay' at best. Those TV had horrible focus compared to LCD so the negative effect of DVD (Compression artefact) had less of an impact. When i bought my Panasonic AE500 (projector) it took a major hit because it was bigger. I then proceded to sell my DVD collection little by little, keeping only the Shows and other rare title while i was waiting for HD Media to be born. Now i'am perfectly happy. I get HD Audio on all my Release (or mostly), even DVD AUdio quality on 5.1 Shows (more and more are 96/24 5.1) with HD picture. I mean i'am in heaven right now !

11-16-2008, 10:13 PM	#5
owa Blu-ray Knight Member since:Apr 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 96	Yeah, I don't get what is up with some of the so called journalist. Some of the articles are so ridiculous it's unbelievable. I guess they're just trying to draw attention but personally, I believe there's more to it than that.

11-17-2008, 12:49 AM	#8
Barnum Senior Member Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:3	You hit it right the media is the biggest problem. The media these days seems to have their own agenda. I thought they were supposed to tell the news now they only seem to want to make the news by making up crap then after the damage is done say opps made a mistake there. Truth in journalism seems to have taken a back seat. And they don't understand why publication sales are down deeply. Not to hard to figure that out.

11-17-2008, 12:52 AM	#9
TheBluPacifist Banned Member since:Nov 2008	Why was my post deleted? For simply posting an article about Bluray that points out a differing opinion?

11-17-2008, 04:35 AM	#10
quexos Banned Member since:May 2007 Location:Brussels, Belgium	Well let us wait and see in January when figures for the Holiday season are available. By then we can draw conclusions as to the future of the format.

11-17-2008, 05:17 PM	#12
owa Blu-ray Knight Member since:Apr 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 96	Look, another one but thankfully the digitalbits.com and a few others out there are around to help fight the FUD. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=71366

11-18-2008, 04:27 AM	#14
fighthefutureofhd Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Dry County	let's not get all paranoid here. no one is out to get blu-ray. a lot of these people simply are idiots. real journalism is dead.

11-18-2008, 04:47 AM	#15
SkillzthatKillz Special Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Cincinnati, OH Blu-ray collection:214 DVD collection:2 Trading Score:1	i wouldnt be suprised if these are the same guys who predicted that HD-DVD would win the format war and the same guys who called DVD "Doubtful Very Doubtful"

11-18-2008, 05:42 PM	#18
Septimus Prime Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:164 Trading Score:2	I think BD's biggest opponent is upscaling technology, and I think Toshiba is actually making the right move by marketing that garbage. J6P won't know there's a difference, and he probably also doesn't know that BD players are also upscaling DVD players. He needs to be informed, and I hope some commercials at least mention it. That's basically the one difference in this generation, since DVD players couldn't play VHS tapes. It's just ironic that one of BD's biggest advantages this generation is being spun into being a disadvantage.

11-18-2008, 07:13 PM	#20
Gremal Blu-ray Samurai Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Daddyland Home Theater Gallery:49 Blu-ray collection:184	You've hit upon a good point, but I think even journalists are starting to figure it out. I was watching a local news show when their movie reviewer came on. She interviewed a local DVD retailer and at every opportunity seemed to say, "...and you don't need Blu-ray, do you?" The retailer who specialized in used DVDs would lob those softballs out of the park. Viewers who didn't know better probably thought Blu-ray was a scam after that. I was seriously considering writing to the network and telling them their movie reviewer was doing a disservice to the viewers by cozying up to a local retailer, when the next segment came on. The consumer reviewer was standing in an electronics store and said, "don't let anyone tell you that you don't need Blu-ray". He proceeded to talk about the latest CE advances and extolled the virtues of BD players for anyone with an HDTV. Blu-ray certainly has an uphill battle ahead of it, but the more astute journalists (there aren't many) are getting the message and passing it down to their dimmer colleagues.

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