Pioneer Kuro Questions - Blu-ray Forum

Pelican170 · 12-05-2008, 03:03 PM

Hey Guys,

I have a buddy who is looking at plasmas and was asking about which are the best. I told him Pioneer Kuro, but didnt have much info besides that for him. I notice that some are Pioneer Kuro and some are Pioneer Elite Kuro. Can you guys help me with, #1 - the best 50 inch pioneer on the market currently and #2, best bang for your buck with pioneer? Thanks for your help...

scweb13 · 12-05-2008, 03:09 PM

For the 50" Pioneers, the "best" would be the Elite Kuro Pro-111FD and the "best bang for the buck" would be the PDP-5020FD (although, you could probably find some PDP-5010's for some pretty good prices).

Pelican170 · 12-05-2008, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scweb13

For the 50" Pioneers, the "best" would be the Elite Kuro Pro-111FD and the "best bang for the buck" would be the PDP-5020FD (although, you could probably find some PDP-5010's for some pretty good prices).

Good stuff, thanks man. Any other opinions?

naturephoto1 · 12-05-2008, 03:13 PM

Pioneer Elite 50" Kuro:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...PRO-111FD.Kuro

Pioneer 50" Kuro:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...DP-5020FD.Kuro

I personally have the PRO-111FD. It is about $1000+ more expensive. It is the top of the line and a great set; it has more calibration capabilities inboard and has the speakers on the side instead of the bottom.

Rich

scweb13 · 12-05-2008, 03:15 PM

Just did a price search on Yahoo. The 5020 is in the $2250 and up range and the Pro-111 is in the $2700 and up range.

naturephoto1 · 12-05-2008, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scweb13

Just did a price search on Yahoo. The 5020 is in the $2250 and up range and the Pro-111 is in the $2700 and up range.

I suspect that those are not with US Warranty. They seem too low. I know I could have ordered mine on the internet. When I purchased mine from my local Audio store in July I paid $4600 for the PRO-111.

Rich

Pelican170 · 12-05-2008, 03:19 PM

Great, thanks for your help!

supersix4 · 12-05-2008, 03:30 PM

id say from owning its
Pioneer
pani (and panis arent far behind)

kpkelley · 12-05-2008, 03:37 PM

Pioneer 6020FD $3149

naturephoto1 · 12-05-2008, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kpkelley

Pioneer 6020FD $3149

No question the 60" Kuros are outstanding; the one you listed above but I suspect that it might not be through Pioneer USA with a US warranty.

Rich

bda4life · 12-05-2008, 03:53 PM

Pelican:

I just bought myself the Pioneer Pro111-FD (50" Kuro Elite) for $3799+tax (roughly $4000 when all was said and done). The 111-FD is the best plasma TV on the market. I think the picture is spectacular and I have not had it calibrated. I am going to wait about a month before calibrating it.

While the 111-FD is the best plasma TV on the market, Pioneer just released the Elite Monitors, which are better monitors. However, these monitors (I believe the model number is 141 or 151???) do not have built in NTSC tuners, so you have to feed them a source signal (i.e. Directv, Dish or cable). The 50" monitor was roughly $1000 more than the 50" TV model.

I know I could have found a lower price on the internet, but I don't trust many cyberspace sites, so I decided to buy mine from the Pioneer store in Southern CA.

Either way (TV or monitor), Pioneer reigns supreme.

coolmilo · 12-05-2008, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bda4life

Pelican:

I just bought myself the Pioneer Pro111-FD (50" Kuro Elite) for $3799+tax (roughly $4000 when all was said and done). The 111-FD is the best plasma TV on the market. I think the picture is spectacular and I have not had it calibrated. I am going to wait about a month before calibrating it.

While the 111-FD is the best plasma TV on the market, Pioneer just released the Elite Monitors, which are better monitors. However, these monitors (I believe the model number is 141 or 151???) do not have built in NTSC tuners, so you have to feed them a source signal (i.e. Directv, Dish or cable). The 50" monitor was roughly $1000 more than the 50" TV model.

I know I could have found a lower price on the internet, but I don't trust many cyberspace sites, so I decided to buy mine from the Pioneer store in Southern CA.

Either way (TV or monitor), Pioneer reigns supreme.

Just curious...Are you running the break-in CD or just watching movies/TV to break it in before calibration?

Eddie2u · 12-06-2008, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolmilo

Just curious...Are you running the break-in CD or just watching movies/TV to break it in before calibration?

I did a 50\50 combination of the Breakin-DVD and full screen viewing.

For those looking for settings.
I kind of like the CNet settings for the Pioneer Elite Pro-111FD. It really makes movies like Cars really pop in color.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...?tag=mncol;txt

Home menu > Setup > Picture
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 38
Brightness: +1
Color: +6
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15

Pro Adjust menu > PureCinema submenu:
Film Mode: Advance
Text Optimization: Off
Intelligent Mode: Off

Picture Detail submenu:
DRE Picture: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 1
Gamma: 2

Color Detail submenu:
Color Temp: Manual
CTI: Off
Color Space: 2

Manual color temp submenu:
R High: -3
G High: 0
B High: 0
R Low: 0
G Low: 0
B Low: 0

Color Management submenu:
R: 0
Y: 0
G: -1
C: 0
B: 0
M: -2

Noise reduction submenu:
3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off

Others:
3DYC: [grayed out]
I-P Mode: 2 <-----This setting will be greyed out if there is a HD signal present. I think the default is 2.

Eddie2u · 12-06-2008, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scweb13

Just did a price search on Yahoo. The 5020 is in the $2250 and up range and the Pro-111 is in the $2700 and up range.

Pioneer Elite Plasmas could only be sold to customers within 200 miles from a authorized dealer. If you buy from a unauthorized dealer there is no ( 2 year Elite, 1 year non Elite) warranty from Pioneer. The Non Elite model does not have the 200 mile restriction. I think the Elite 200 mile policy sucks but I did manage to find one for a good price from a authorized dealer.

UPSandy · 12-06-2008, 05:35 PM

i have a 110 and im completely satisfied....when i had it calibrated the guy told me that there really isnt much difference between the professional calibration and the optimum setting.....and there really isnt...just a few changes

MoPe · 12-06-2008, 07:28 PM

According to many review sites, the new LED LCD's (Samsung 46A950 and Sony 46XBR8) have equal to slightly better blacks and colors than the Pio's, depending on the reviewer. They sell for about the same though.

55" XBR8 review (46" is cheaper)
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-33060615.html

Samsung A950
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-33182079.html

Review between the two:
http://www.practical-home-theater-gu...-lcd-tv-2.html

"The black levels on the Sony are just a bit closer to the absolute black level than those on the Samsung."

"CNET Reviews stated that if it were not for some off-angle viewing issues, the Samsung performance would be on par even with the very best Pioneer KURO plasma HDTVs. During side by side tests carried by the CNET editors, the Samsung screen performed just better than the Panasonic plasma, while during instances of content where the screen faded entirely into black, the Samsung screen turned out darker than the Pioneer as the LEDs turned off completely. This is something that is not possible even with the best plasmas due to the persistence of the phosphors used in plasma displays."

XBR8 vs Pioneer
http://gizmodo.com/5013722/sony-host...guess-who-wins

etc. etc. etc.

Just a thought..

William H Pratt · 12-06-2008, 08:59 PM

The 50 inch Elite Monitor's model number is 101FD. I'll be purchasing that or the 111FD at the end of March.

12-05-2008, 03:30 PM	#8
supersix4 Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:572 Blu-ray reviews: 53 Trading Score:3	id say from owning its Pioneer pani (and panis arent far behind) Last edited by supersix4; 12-05-2008 at 03:36 PM.

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12-05-2008, 03:03 PM	#1
Pelican170 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Newtown, CT 4K collection:127 Blu-ray collection:735 DVD collection:256 Trading Score:13	Pioneer Kuro Questions Hey Guys, I have a buddy who is looking at plasmas and was asking about which are the best. I told him Pioneer Kuro, but didnt have much info besides that for him. I notice that some are Pioneer Kuro and some are Pioneer Elite Kuro. Can you guys help me with, #1 - the best 50 inch pioneer on the market currently and #2, best bang for your buck with pioneer? Thanks for your help...

12-05-2008, 03:09 PM	#2
scweb13 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Everett, WA 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:512 DVD collection:29 Trading Score:4	For the 50" Pioneers, the "best" would be the Elite Kuro Pro-111FD and the "best bang for the buck" would be the PDP-5020FD (although, you could probably find some PDP-5010's for some pretty good prices).

12-05-2008, 03:13 PM	#4
naturephoto1 Blu-ray Ninja Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Breinigsville, PA Home Theater Gallery:260 4K collection:21 Blu-ray collection:263	Pioneer Elite 50" Kuro: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...PRO-111FD.Kuro Pioneer 50" Kuro: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...DP-5020FD.Kuro I personally have the PRO-111FD. It is about $1000+ more expensive. It is the top of the line and a great set; it has more calibration capabilities inboard and has the speakers on the side instead of the bottom. Rich

12-05-2008, 03:15 PM	#5
scweb13 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Everett, WA 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:512 DVD collection:29 Trading Score:4	Just did a price search on Yahoo. The 5020 is in the $2250 and up range and the Pro-111 is in the $2700 and up range.

12-05-2008, 03:19 PM	#7
Pelican170 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Newtown, CT 4K collection:127 Blu-ray collection:735 DVD collection:256 Trading Score:13	Great, thanks for your help!

12-05-2008, 03:37 PM	#9
kpkelley Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Framingham, MA 4K collection:385 Blu-ray collection:2478 Digital collection:113 Blu-ray reviews: 152	Pioneer 6020FD $3149

12-05-2008, 03:53 PM	#11
bda4life Active Member Member since:May 2007	Pelican: I just bought myself the Pioneer Pro111-FD (50" Kuro Elite) for $3799+tax (roughly $4000 when all was said and done). The 111-FD is the best plasma TV on the market. I think the picture is spectacular and I have not had it calibrated. I am going to wait about a month before calibrating it. While the 111-FD is the best plasma TV on the market, Pioneer just released the Elite Monitors, which are better monitors. However, these monitors (I believe the model number is 141 or 151???) do not have built in NTSC tuners, so you have to feed them a source signal (i.e. Directv, Dish or cable). The 50" monitor was roughly $1000 more than the 50" TV model. I know I could have found a lower price on the internet, but I don't trust many cyberspace sites, so I decided to buy mine from the Pioneer store in Southern CA. Either way (TV or monitor), Pioneer reigns supreme.

12-06-2008, 05:35 PM	#15
UPSandy Active Member Member since:Feb 2008	i have a 110 and im completely satisfied....when i had it calibrated the guy told me that there really isnt much difference between the professional calibration and the optimum setting.....and there really isnt...just a few changes

12-06-2008, 07:28 PM	#16
MoPe Active Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Orlando	According to many review sites, the new LED LCD's (Samsung 46A950 and Sony 46XBR8) have equal to slightly better blacks and colors than the Pio's, depending on the reviewer. They sell for about the same though. 55" XBR8 review (46" is cheaper) http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-33060615.html Samsung A950 http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-33182079.html Review between the two: http://www.practical-home-theater-gu...-lcd-tv-2.html "The black levels on the Sony are just a bit closer to the absolute black level than those on the Samsung." "CNET Reviews stated that if it were not for some off-angle viewing issues, the Samsung performance would be on par even with the very best Pioneer KURO plasma HDTVs. During side by side tests carried by the CNET editors, the Samsung screen performed just better than the Panasonic plasma, while during instances of content where the screen faded entirely into black, the Samsung screen turned out darker than the Pioneer as the LEDs turned off completely. This is something that is not possible even with the best plasmas due to the persistence of the phosphors used in plasma displays." XBR8 vs Pioneer http://gizmodo.com/5013722/sony-host...guess-who-wins etc. etc. etc. Just a thought..

12-06-2008, 08:59 PM	#17
William H Pratt Active Member Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Toledo, OH	The 50 inch Elite Monitor's model number is 101FD. I'll be purchasing that or the 111FD at the end of March.

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