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bruce · 04-23-2007, 01:44 AM

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FOX Abandoning Blu-ray?

With the exception of the upcoming release of Night At The Museum, all upcoming FOX Blu-ray titles have been removed from their release schedule.

But HD DVD fans hoping that this marks an abandonment by FOX of the format or, better yet, an indication that FOX may be moving over to the HD DVD side of things, need to take a deep breath. It's not going to happen.

The real truth behind FOX's move is a concern over DRM (Digital Rights Management) and the copyright protection currently being applied to Blu-ray releases. The current method, AACS (Advanced Access Content System), has already had its code cracked by a number of online hackers, and FOX is reportedly holding out for additional copyright encryption protection to be put in place.

That new protection will be coming soon, in the form of BD+, which doesn't replace AACS, but works as an additional form of protection for Blu-ray discs - a program that evaluates the security enviroment of the player the disc is being played on and authorizes play of the disc each time it is used. BD+ technology also allows the studio to update encryption on future releases...meaning that if a certain code gets "cracked" by hackers, the studios can update with new encrypted codes on their future Blu-ray titles.

Once BD+ is finalized and begins to be added as an additional form of copyright protection on Blu-ray releases, expect FOX to return full-steam into the Blu-ray game.

Now the question is, when is BD+ going to be finalized?

I have read that it will not be ready till the end of the year, is that true?

HDTV1080P · 04-23-2007, 02:03 AM

Yes this is good news. Hopefully by the end of the year BD+ will be finalized. Hollywood studios like Fox like the extra security that BLU-RAY offers. I would be shocked if studios that were BLU-RAY exclusive were to switch to the HD-DVD format. HD-DVD is less secure it just would not make since.

bruce · 04-23-2007, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Yes this is good news. Hopefully by the end of the year BD+ will be finalized. Hollywood studios like Fox like the extra security that BLU-RAY offers. I would be shocked if studios that were BLU-RAY exclusive were to the HD-DVD format. HD-DVD is less secure it just would not make since.

Why is that good news?

It means no Alien movies, no Die Hards, no X-Men 1 and 2 and maybe no Bonds since Fox handles MGM, no Fox titles till early next year, this is not good news at all.

HDTV1080P · 04-23-2007, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bruce

Why is that good news?

It means no Alien movies, no Die Hards, no X-Men 1 and 2 and maybe no Bonds since Fox handles MGM, no Fox titles till early next year, this is not good news at all.

It is good news that Fox is remaining BLU-RAY exclusive because of the added security of BLU-RAY. Since HD-DVD format does not have the added security feature of BD+ most likely FOX will never be interested in the HD-DVD format. The title delays can be blamed on the people that hacked the AACS. As consumers we are now suffering because of what hackers did.

cdblu · 04-23-2007, 02:14 AM

im hoping they get bd+ ready for November.

nhaase · 04-23-2007, 02:33 AM

They'll probably work extra hard to get it ready for the holidays.

coolmilo · 04-23-2007, 03:01 AM

I think this is bad news because it means less content for the meantime which is one of Blu-ray's strong points. However, as long as Fox remains Blu this is not horrible news, just bad news.

Maximus · 04-23-2007, 03:04 AM

Well the Amazon pre-order for Ronin has gone up, so maybe they know something we don't.

Ascended_Saiyan · 04-23-2007, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bruce

Why is that good news?

It means no Alien movies, no Die Hards, no X-Men 1 and 2 and maybe no Bonds since Fox handles MGM, no Fox titles till early next year, this is not good news at all.

Don't think Fox has stop encoding titles for Blu-ray. They are still encoding titles at the same pace they were before. This really means that when Fox comes out with BD+ titles, they should flood the market with titles.

I read somewhere that Fox will be first to implement BD+ around the end of summer and almost everyone else in the BDA will start around the end of the year. Fox will need to drop some big titles when they come back to get back in BD consumers' good graces.

LeoneFan · 04-23-2007, 03:18 AM

I'm so dissapointed with Fox. I was really looking forward to those classic MGM titles. This is terrible.

nhaase · 04-23-2007, 04:31 AM

I'm kind of surprised more companies haven't done this, since piracy seems to be so important to them now.

Hopefully one of the first titles out will be Man on Fire.

HDTV1080P · 04-23-2007, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by nhaase

I'm kind of surprised more companies haven't done this, since piracy seems to be so important to them now.

Hopefully one of the first titles out will be Man on Fire.

I have Man on Fire on 1080I D-VHS format with a 1.54MB DTS sound track.The quality is excellent.

FilmmakingFiasco · 04-23-2007, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by LeoneFan

I'm so dissapointed with Fox. I was really looking forward to those classic MGM titles. This is terrible.

I thought Turner owned the MGM library pre-1986?

GTP · 04-23-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I have Man on Fire on 1080I D-VHS format with a 1.54MB DTS sound track.The quality is excellent.

Although I sold my 5u and the 50 d-vhs titles I had...I agree that Man on Fire is an excellent looking movie in HD...second only to XMen 2 on D Theater IMO.

blitz6speed · 04-24-2007, 01:13 AM

From what i hear around the grapevine, BD+ finished 3 weeks ago. Fox will be the first ones to use it, and sony will begin using it around the holiday seasons. Seems that sony is content with the new key system for the time being? Dunno.

The Don · 04-24-2007, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by blitz6speed

From what i hear around the grapevine, BD+ finished 3 weeks ago. Fox will be the first ones to use it, and sony will begin using it around the holiday seasons. Seems that sony is content with the new key system for the time being? Dunno.

where did you hear this?...

it sounds very interesting..

sardaukar1977 · 04-24-2007, 03:48 AM

I hate to say it, but it doesn't really matter what kind of security the movie companies put in place to protect their copyrights, someone will crack it eventually, I think that Fox is wasting time and money doing this, Piracy will happen no matter what they do. It is just a given.

HDTV1080P · 04-24-2007, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sardaukar1977

I hate to say it, but it doesn't really matter what kind of security the movie companies put in place to protect their copyrights, someone will crack it eventually, I think that Fox is wasting time and money doing this, Piracy will happen no matter what they do. It is just a given.

The DVD format used a 40 bit encryption system.
If the studios started using military level 256 Bit encryption then the movies most likely would be secure for up to 10 years. I am surprised HD-DVD and BLU-RAY did not use 256 bit AACS and went with 128 bit AACS. Of course 128 Bit is still secure online for on line shopping. If 128 bit is every broken the online banking and shopping sites will move to 256 bit. EBAY and PAYPAL use 256 bit encryption when login in.

theknub · 04-24-2007, 04:49 PM

the thing is, AACS wasn't cracked. an exploit was used in the playback software to find the key. all that is happening now is old keys are being rejected, software updated, and the pirates are back to square one.

JTK · 04-28-2007, 04:19 PM

It behooves Fox and the other BD studios to have some big guns out in time for the holidays, not afterwards. They need to make it happen.

04-23-2007, 01:44 AM	#1
bruce Banned Member since:Oct 2006	An HD DVD site's Fox news http://hidefdvdempire.blogspot.com/2...g-blu-ray.html FOX Abandoning Blu-ray? With the exception of the upcoming release of Night At The Museum, all upcoming FOX Blu-ray titles have been removed from their release schedule. But HD DVD fans hoping that this marks an abandonment by FOX of the format or, better yet, an indication that FOX may be moving over to the HD DVD side of things, need to take a deep breath. It's not going to happen. The real truth behind FOX's move is a concern over DRM (Digital Rights Management) and the copyright protection currently being applied to Blu-ray releases. The current method, AACS (Advanced Access Content System), has already had its code cracked by a number of online hackers, and FOX is reportedly holding out for additional copyright encryption protection to be put in place. That new protection will be coming soon, in the form of BD+, which doesn't replace AACS, but works as an additional form of protection for Blu-ray discs - a program that evaluates the security enviroment of the player the disc is being played on and authorizes play of the disc each time it is used. BD+ technology also allows the studio to update encryption on future releases...meaning that if a certain code gets "cracked" by hackers, the studios can update with new encrypted codes on their future Blu-ray titles. Once BD+ is finalized and begins to be added as an additional form of copyright protection on Blu-ray releases, expect FOX to return full-steam into the Blu-ray game. Now the question is, when is BD+ going to be finalized? I have read that it will not be ready till the end of the year, is that true?

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04-23-2007, 02:03 AM	#2
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Yes this is good news. Hopefully by the end of the year BD+ will be finalized. Hollywood studios like Fox like the extra security that BLU-RAY offers. I would be shocked if studios that were BLU-RAY exclusive were to switch to the HD-DVD format. HD-DVD is less secure it just would not make since.

04-23-2007, 02:14 AM	#5
cdblu Senior Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:california Blu-ray collection:58	im hoping they get bd+ ready for November.

04-23-2007, 02:33 AM	#6
nhaase Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Trading Score:2	They'll probably work extra hard to get it ready for the holidays.

04-23-2007, 03:01 AM	#7
coolmilo Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Silicon Valley Home Theater Gallery:16 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:2	I think this is bad news because it means less content for the meantime which is one of Blu-ray's strong points. However, as long as Fox remains Blu this is not horrible news, just bad news.

04-23-2007, 03:04 AM	#8
Maximus Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2006	Well the Amazon pre-order for Ronin has gone up, so maybe they know something we don't.

04-23-2007, 03:18 AM	#10
LeoneFan Senior Member Member since:Jan 2007	I'm so dissapointed with Fox. I was really looking forward to those classic MGM titles. This is terrible.

04-23-2007, 04:31 AM	#11
nhaase Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Trading Score:2	I'm kind of surprised more companies haven't done this, since piracy seems to be so important to them now. Hopefully one of the first titles out will be Man on Fire.

04-24-2007, 01:13 AM	#15
blitz6speed Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Anaheim Hills, CA Trading Score:8	From what i hear around the grapevine, BD+ finished 3 weeks ago. Fox will be the first ones to use it, and sony will begin using it around the holiday seasons. Seems that sony is content with the new key system for the time being? Dunno.

04-24-2007, 03:48 AM	#17
sardaukar1977 Expert Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Dallas, Texas Blu-ray collection:779 Blu-ray reviews:1	I hate to say it, but it doesn't really matter what kind of security the movie companies put in place to protect their copyrights, someone will crack it eventually, I think that Fox is wasting time and money doing this, Piracy will happen no matter what they do. It is just a given.

04-24-2007, 04:49 PM	#19
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	the thing is, AACS wasn't cracked. an exploit was used in the playback software to find the key. all that is happening now is old keys are being rejected, software updated, and the pirates are back to square one.

04-28-2007, 04:19 PM	#20
JTK Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2006 Location:www.blurayoasis.com	It behooves Fox and the other BD studios to have some big guns out in time for the holidays, not afterwards. They need to make it happen.

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